TSM review, details, and spoilers!

WildLodgeFan

New Member
Wow! I just don't analyze it enough I guess. :)

I am just looking for new adventure to explore at DHS. I have to agree with a few other posts. It's transition time at DHS and knowing that, I await in anticipation of the goodies that will be coming from Imagineering in the future.

As for two Toy Story themed shooting games - I wonder if it's crossed anybody's mind that perhaps Buzz will be phased out since TSM is offering a higher tech alternative? To me that would make since to the Disney madness.

I do wish they would move MILF over to the Pixar Place - to me that would make more sense.

Of course that thinking would mean we would need two original attractions at MK? :). I need to put my imagineering hat on and think of some suggestions. Anybody want to add their two cents worth on what those attractions could be?
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
Whoo, too much arguing!

I don't see any posts that insist everyone else must agree with the person's opinion. This is a message board: everyone will have a different perspective. People need to stop taking these opinions so seriously. The boards exist for fun, not for people that need to get real lives away from computer screens. (And I say this in the nicest way possible.)

The Studios are obviously being divided into themed studio sections, similar to the lands at the MK. This is a good thing. Since it's all about the entertainment business anyway, why does it matter whether or not it fits someone's perception about how it should—or shouldn't—be?

We're not talking about the Magic Kingdom, where you're supposed to be immersed in faraway locations. The studios have always implied, " *Wink* *Wink* It's just a show." For better or for worse, that's a level of flexibility that allows DHS to get away with incomplete theming.

p.s. Before anybody starts whining, I am not a Disney apologist. :)
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
First off Epcotservo, let me quickly state that I think you rule and I love your updates. With that said...

I sure hope they DON'T do what you want, because seeing as how the entire left half of your "main street" is in fact the great movie ride (specifically most of the western and alien scenes), such an idea would probably warrant the destruction of GMR.

Better idea: The pixar studio building should serve as an entrance to an entire pixar land where the old backlot was, because (with much love and due respect to everyone I know over at backlot), backlot tour is on it's way out. I love it and never miss it, but it's on it's way out.

Ahh, I love a bit of good old old-fashioned arm chair imagineering.

Yes, I should have added that any future additions must be infront of, or on the Toy Story Mania side. I'd be furious if they ever closed GMR.
:fork:

There is alot of important Pixar Place stuff on that side, so I think GMR is safe for now.
 

lpet11984

Well-Known Member
I do wish they would move MILF over to the Pixar Place - to me that would make more sense.

Of course that thinking would mean we would need two original attractions at MK? :). I need to put my imagineering hat on and think of some suggestions.

I like the way you think, and I love the idea. I suppose we could always hope. It is the Year of A Million Dreams, after all...
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Whoo, too much arguing!

I don't see any posts that insist everyone else must agree with the person's opinion. This is a message board: everyone will have a different perspective. People need to stop taking these opinions so seriously. The boards exist for fun, not for people that need to get real lives away from computer screens. (And I say this in the nicest way possible.)

The Studios are obviously being divided into themed studio sections, similar to the lands at the MK. This is a good thing. Since it's all about the entertainment business anyway, why does it matter whether or not it fits someone's perception about how it should—or shouldn't—be?

We're not talking about the Magic Kingdom, where you're supposed to be immersed in faraway locations. The studios have always implied, " *Wink* *Wink* It's just a show." For better or for worse, that's a level of flexibility that allows DHS to get away with incomplete theming.

p.s. Before anybody starts whining, I am not a Disney apologist. :)

We all know MGM was themed as a working studio. The key word in that sentence is WAS!!! They are obviously completely retheming the park essentially from scratch. I can't understand how so many people here can't see that. I understand not agreeing with it possibly (personally I love the new theme) but that does not excuse acting like it is not being rethemed. It's very odd.
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Also.....

I absolutely despise the following (in no particular order):

SGE
"Tomorrowland" Speedway
Old skyway building
Laugh Floor being at the wrong park
Seeing too much backstage on WDW railroad
UoE
Current Imagination
The decent of SSE (although it is getting better)
Sounds Dangerous
Backlot Tour
CMM instead of BK
So I guess I would not qualify as an apologist either.

And if you were refering to me as "whining", I only use caps for emphasis as I never get angry here and certainly never whine or argue although I love to debate. Thanks for assuming otherwise :lol:.

Have a nice day :wave:
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
And if you were refering to me as "whining", I only use caps for emphasis as I never get angry here and certainly never whine or argue although I love to debate. Thanks for assuming otherwise :lol:.

Have a nice day :wave:

Nope, I wasn't referring to any one person in particular. :wave:
 

DisneyAnole

New Member
We all know MGM was themed as a working studio. The key word in that sentence is WAS!!! They are obviously completely retheming the park essentially from scratch. I can't understand how so many people here can't see that. I understand not agreeing with it possibly (personally I love the new theme) but that does not excuse acting like it is not being rethemed. It's very odd.

Sounds like DHS is going to be MK v.2. But they can't even keep MK v.1 up to date.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
I understand not agreeing with it possibly (personally I love the new theme) but that does not excuse acting like it is not being rethemed. It's very odd.

I don't understand the complaints, either, since the Studios hasn't been unified ever since the "studio" portion was integrated into the park.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
Sounds like DHS is going to be MK v.2. But they can't even keep MK v.1 up to date.

Well, they're working on it now, but it took WDW way too much time to acknowledge that IASW, POTC, HM, Splash Mt, BTMRR, JC, Space Mt, and Main Street desperately needed refurbs.

The 20K Lagoon will get something one day, Toontown's refurb keeps getting rescheduled, and eyes are still on Adventureland. But for now, the MK needs to restore what it has.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
I must say that I'm not surprised. I'm sure there are lots of readers of this thread scratching their head trying to figure out what's going on. The resident haters have come out with a vengence. A new attraction is about to open so they can't let this opportunity get past them. The first thread with first hand knowledge of the ride and details and they jump right in... not looking forward to a new attraction, but bashing it as their norm. Of course, their attempt is so ludicrous, it's laughable. A new attraction with new technology in a park that needs updates and changes and it's met with some messed up logic for complaints. Watching them to explain why an attraction where the guest is playing along with movie characters from a popular movie in the movie studios park doesn't fit the theme is pure entertainment. Of course, the rationalization that ToT or RnRC fits better is hilarious!
Hahahahaha

Ok, first off, your tone is just hilarious. I know your goal was to sound all elitist, but you really just made yourself sound like every other "internet tough guy" out there, and I can't help but apply those same stereotypes to you.

I think what you need to realize, is that there aren't really any "haters" on here. We all give credit to imagineering where credit is due. Haunted Mansion refurb? Awesome. Expedition Everest? Great. Pirates Refurb? Decent.

We're also smart enough to know that Imagineering isn't perfect, and just accepting every decision made without questioning it is pure fanboyism. I don't think anyone in this thread said the ride won't be fun. I'm sure its a lot of fun. We're just pointing out that it really doesn't fit, and its quite obvious that it was just, yes, "shoehorned" into the park. Disney has been doing that a lot lately - take Soarin' for example - does it really suprise you? I mean, really, are you actually denying this?

We also all understand the reasoning behind this decision. Yes, it all makes sense, from a business standpoint. From the quality and artistic originality standpoint that WDI is supposed to stand for, not so much.

Oh, and "new technology?" This is pretty much Nintendo Wii: The Ride, AKA Buzz v 2.0 (AGAIN, I'm not saying it won't be fun, but this is by no means anything revolutionary.)

While I'm quoting this, please give me a reason why ToT and RnRc do not fit better than TSM!
Of course, once you get past their poor attempts of reasoning, it's not hard to get at the crux of the issue. They complain because they think it builds their cred...
Thats pretty funny, because its obvious this is exactly what you're trying to do with this post.

I guess it's not very PC to find it so funny since it's a sign of such low self-esteem. Their attempts to belittle and tear down the professionals to make themselves look better should probably be seen as a lack of self-worth and in need of our pity. Really, we shouldn't laugh at them. :lookaroun
This is a discussion forum. Like DisneyAnole said, if we didn't have disagreements on Disney's decisions, there would be no discussion here. However, you took it to the next level and made it into personal attacks. You're right - I have low self-esteem because I don't worship everything WDI does. WDI totally thought this would be the best possible attraction for DHS! No, it wasn't about money and time restraints at all!

Now lets all go ride it with rose-tinted glasses and then rave about how its so much better than anything Universal has ever done because WDI made it!
Of course, I'm sure when the attraction opens and the lines are crazy long with lots of happy guests we'll see a retraction. Nah, that will never happen. It will be rationalized that just the dumb guests are happy and standing in lines. :brick:
Um, hello? If you know ANYTHING about theme parks, you'll know that ANY new ride, especially one that gets any sort of advertising, ESPECIALLY one at a Disney park, will have long lines when it opens, regardless of how good it actually is. It could be a tram ride past a compost heap, and there'd still be a long line for it because its NEW! So YES, the fact that the general public will line up for it regardless is a perfectly acceptable rationalization.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Hahahahaha

Ok, first off, your tone is just hilarious. I know your goal was to sound all elitist, but you really just made yourself sound like every other "internet tough guy" out there, and I can't help but apply those same stereotypes to you.

I think what you need to realize, is that there aren't really any "haters" on here. We all give credit to imagineering where credit is due. Haunted Mansion refurb? Awesome. Expedition Everest? Great. Pirates Refurb? Decent.

We're also smart enough to know that Imagineering isn't perfect, and just accepting every decision made without questioning it is pure fanboyism. I don't think anyone in this thread said the ride won't be fun. I'm sure its a lot of fun. We're just pointing out that it really doesn't fit, and its quite obvious that it was just, yes, "shoehorned" into the park. Disney has been doing that a lot lately - take Soarin' for example - does it really suprise you? I mean, really, are you actually denying this?

We also all understand the reasoning behind this decision. Yes, it all makes sense, from a business standpoint. From the quality and artistic originality standpoint that WDI is supposed to stand for, not so much.

Oh, and "new technology?" This is pretty much Nintendo Wii: The Ride, AKA Buzz v 2.0 (AGAIN, I'm not saying it won't be fun, but this is by no means anything revolutionary.)

While I'm quoting this, please give me a reason why ToT and RnRc do not fit better than TSM!
Thats pretty funny, because its obvious this is exactly what you're trying to do with this post.

This is a discussion forum. Like DisneyAnole said, if we didn't have disagreements on Disney's decisions, there would be no discussion here. However, you took it to the next level and made it into personal attacks. You're right - I have low self-esteem because I don't worship everything WDI does. WDI totally thought this would be the best possible attraction for DHS! No, it wasn't about money and time restraints at all!

Now lets all go ride it with rose-tinted glasses and then rave about how its so much better than anything Universal has ever done because WDI made it!

Um, hello? If you know ANYTHING about theme parks, you'll know that ANY new ride, especially one that gets any sort of advertising, ESPECIALLY one at a Disney park, will have long lines when it opens, regardless of how good it actually is. It could be a tram ride past a compost heap, and there'd still be a long line for it because its NEW! So YES, the fact that the general public will line up for it regardless is a perfectly acceptable rationalization.

Could you please explain how TSM does not "fit" in with the new strategy for the park?

PS- Give Soarin' time and I am sure it will be adapted to the pavilion better then

It will take time to fix all of Eisner's mistakes
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
Oh, and "new technology?" This is pretty much Nintendo Wii: The Ride, AKA Buzz v 2.0 (AGAIN, I'm not saying it won't be fun, but this is by no means anything revolutionary.)

There is some really amazing technology (More than just the games) but it'll be like Expedition Everest, people will bash it just because they can't see the technology, and therefore assume it's just a hamster running around in a wheel and that WDI is now just a bunch of crazy 6-year olds wondering every day how they can forever tarnish the work of Walt Disney.
:lol:
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Could you please explain how TSM does not "fit" in with the new strategy for the park?

PS- Give Soarin' time and I am sure it will be adapted to the pavilion better then

It will take time to fix all of Eisner's mistakes
"The new name reflects how the park has grown from representing the golden age of movies to a celebration of the new entertainment that today's Hollywood has to offer -- in music, television, movies and theater," ~ Meg Crofton

This is not new, its not about the movie, its not about anything related to the entertainment industry - its a midway/carnival themed ride featuring the Toy Story characters. Like others said, fits perfectly in its location at DCA, but not so much DHS. Why would this be inside the "Pixar Studios", anyway?

However, my personal complaint isn't so much with how it fits as it is the fact that their other, decade-old shooting ride is ALSO Toy Story themed.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I do like Soarin'. If it ever were changed to "Soarin' Around the World", it would be perfect at Epcot.
There is some really amazing technology (More than just the games) but it'll be like Expedition Everest, people will bash it just because they can't see the technology, and therefore assume it's just a hamster running around in a wheel and that WDI is now just a bunch of crazy 6-year olds wondering every day how they can forever tarnish the work of Walt Disney.
:lol:
I really don't know anyone who makes these assumptions...
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
This is not new, its not about the movie, its not about anything related to the entertainment industry - its a midway/carnival themed ride featuring the Toy Story characters. Like others said, fits perfectly in its location at DCA, but not so much DHS. Why would this be inside the "Pixar Studios", anyway?

I've mentioned this before, but Pixar Place will be kind of like "Maroon Studios" from Who framed Roger Rabbit. What with all sorts of Pixar friends walking around. The toys from Toy Story are out and about (In fact, a thread came up with them putting Green Army Men on the rooftops, proving my point.) and they invite us to come get down to their size and play the Midway game they've set up under Andy's bed.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:After really thinking it through, ours will make more sense than DCA's.


I really don't know anyone who makes these assumptions...

You missed the guy who thought that Disney was lying about how advanced the Yeti AA was...
:ROFLOL:
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
I've mentioned this before, but Pixar Place will be kind of like "Maroon Studios" from Who framed Roger Rabbit. What with all sorts of Pixar friends walking around. The toys from Toy Story are out and about (In fact, a thread came up with them putting Green Army Men on the rooftops, proving my point.) and they invite us to come get down to their size and play the Midway game they've set up under Andy's bed.
Honestly, thats a good point. I didn't see it like this. I guess the ride does fit well within the context of "Pixar Place".

I guess my only major problem is still that WDW and DLR will both now have two shooting rides based off of the same movie.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Honestly, thats a good point. I didn't see it like this. I guess the ride does fit well within the context of "Pixar Place".

I guess my only major problem is still that WDW and DLR will both now have two shooting rides based off of the same movie.
Maybe not for long.
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
Honestly, thats a good point. I didn't see it like this. I guess the ride does fit well within the context of "Pixar Place".

I guess my only major problem is still that WDW and DLR will both now have two shooting rides based off of the same movie.

That one's ok.
:lol:

Honestly Buzz is so boring now, they could fit something much better in. (Lightbulb just went off...Wall-E Dark Ride to get rid of Buzz!)
:D
 

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