fillerup
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I wasn't talking about that kind of tracking.
I was talking about the notion that comes up around here from time to time that we're being watched on camera by human eyes most everywhere we go - a logistical impossibility.
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TSA Trained Disney Employees to 'SPOT' for Potential Terrorists
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I wasn't talking about that kind of tracking.
I was talking about the notion that comes up around here from time to time that we're being watched on camera by human eyes most everywhere we go - a logistical impossibility.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Well, its not like they cant backtrack and review the videos later on.
small business usually record up to a month of content.
I wouldn't be surprised if big companies keep their videos for 6 months or longer.
or in TSA/NSA, almost forever.
MotherOfBirds
Well-Known Member
For safety reasons, water bottles and other liquids will not be allowed inside the park. You have to reserve your water fountain FP+ 6 months in advance.
EOD K9
Well-Known Member
Do they have stand-by or single drinkers?
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
yep.. and people still defend TSA..
anyway the glorious part was this..
I quote:
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
the issue is, you only need to get one guy with power annoyed (regardless of what you did) and you can be flagged.
The movie of Will Smith and Gene Hackman(Enemy of the State) was a fine example of this..
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Sure, let's stir up the conspiracy theorists.
So should we stagnate due to petrification of what may happen?
This post is tangential to the issue at hand, but has real and true anecdotes designed to be mildly entertaining. Read at your own risk.
We had airport security before 9/11. What is unknown is if our current organizational system is a) more effective and b) whether or not there could be simpler/less intrusive ways to gain the same level of effectiveness.
I have a personal story. I was on the Carlos the Jackal list for a while. Several very inconvenient situations arose from this. Once after a conference in Rome, where I had done a poster presentation (in science you either stand in front of an audience, show some slides (powerpoint usually), and talk for 20 minutes with a 5-10 minute period where people try and rip you apart or you stand in front of a poster that summarizes some aspect of your work for 3 hours while people wander by and ask you questions about it). I had the poster rolled up and put in a big poster tube and in order to separate dirty underwear from clean underwear I had shoved about 6 pairs of dirty underwear into the tube. Another bit of necessary background is that I had what is commonly known as the stomach flu and needed to visit the bathroom about every 27 minutes or soil myself. Anyway, I got pulled aside, was surrounded by these dudes that were accompanied by German Shepherds and had uzis slung over their shoulders whilst they pulled my underwear out of the tube one by one. The dude doing this examination would even take a pair of recently worn whitey tighteys and hold them up to the airport's fluorescent light for closer examination. They missed the giant poster in the tube and asked me questions about the tube until I pulled the poster out. Personally, after underwear pair #1, my investigation would have been over. However, I do think I looked suspicious since I kept glancing nervously over at a bathroom that was about 50 yards away which I sprinted towards after I had been cleared.
On one family vacation to WDW (we usually drive, but not this trip), my family was able to check their luggage in at the resort for our upcoming flight and get boarding passes (Southwest flight, Boardwalk if I remember correctly, circa 2008). I was not able to do either and had to go to the airport and have my luggage examined etc. This meant that I had to go to the airport early and missed some family fun time.
My typical check in procedure at the airport would go like this. Gate agent types in all my info. Eyes momentarily widen and then my driver's license is whisked to some back room. They are gone for a while. Then the gate agent would come out with a more serious person wearing a suit and I would be asked the normal security questions in a more stern tone. My bag would then be opened and every item examined (this didn't happen every time, but it did happen about 70% of the time). I would always have to run my luggage through the super luggage scanner. I could oftentimes leave it while this was done. I had to allow for 30 extra minutes for this and the worst thing on my rap sheet is speeding tickets. For a while they would put a little circular sticker on my carry on, but they quit this.
I flew just enough that this inconvenience was intrusive, but not so intrusive that I worked on the problem right away. However, after that Disney trip, I started to investigate the process of getting my name off the list and sent several letters to TSA/DHS. At some point, I got a letter from DHS saying my name had been removed from the list. I haven't had a problem since. The letter also said that I could never know why my name was on it and that I could be put back on the list at any time.
It has been 5 or 6 years since I went through the name removal process and have tried to recall things the best I could. I see now there is webpage for traveler's who had issues like I had,
http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip (trip stands for "traveler redress inquiry program"), but I don't think it was quite this well organized back when I did it because I remember web searches being fruitless. I kind of remember asking TSA people at the airport and making a few phone calls before discovering who I had to write letters too.
We had airport security before 9/11. What is unknown is if our current organizational system is a) more effective and b) whether or not there could be simpler/less intrusive ways to gain the same level of effectiveness.
I have a personal story. I was on the Carlos the Jackal list for a while. Several very inconvenient situations arose from this. Once after a conference in Rome, where I had done a poster presentation (in science you either stand in front of an audience, show some slides (powerpoint usually), and talk for 20 minutes with a 5-10 minute period where people try and rip you apart or you stand in front of a poster that summarizes some aspect of your work for 3 hours while people wander by and ask you questions about it). I had the poster rolled up and put in a big poster tube and in order to separate dirty underwear from clean underwear I had shoved about 6 pairs of dirty underwear into the tube. Another bit of necessary background is that I had what is commonly known as the stomach flu and needed to visit the bathroom about every 27 minutes or soil myself. Anyway, I got pulled aside, was surrounded by these dudes that were accompanied by German Shepherds and had uzis slung over their shoulders whilst they pulled my underwear out of the tube one by one. The dude doing this examination would even take a pair of recently worn whitey tighteys and hold them up to the airport's fluorescent light for closer examination. They missed the giant poster in the tube and asked me questions about the tube until I pulled the poster out. Personally, after underwear pair #1, my investigation would have been over. However, I do think I looked suspicious since I kept glancing nervously over at a bathroom that was about 50 yards away which I sprinted towards after I had been cleared.
On one family vacation to WDW (we usually drive, but not this trip), my family was able to check their luggage in at the resort for our upcoming flight and get boarding passes (Southwest flight, Boardwalk if I remember correctly, circa 2008). I was not able to do either and had to go to the airport and have my luggage examined etc. This meant that I had to go to the airport early and missed some family fun time.
My typical check in procedure at the airport would go like this. Gate agent types in all my info. Eyes momentarily widen and then my driver's license is whisked to some back room. They are gone for a while. Then the gate agent would come out with a more serious person wearing a suit and I would be asked the normal security questions in a more stern tone. My bag would then be opened and every item examined (this didn't happen every time, but it did happen about 70% of the time). I would always have to run my luggage through the super luggage scanner. I could oftentimes leave it while this was done. I had to allow for 30 extra minutes for this and the worst thing on my rap sheet is speeding tickets. For a while they would put a little circular sticker on my carry on, but they quit this.
I flew just enough that this inconvenience was intrusive, but not so intrusive that I worked on the problem right away. However, after that Disney trip, I started to investigate the process of getting my name off the list and sent several letters to TSA/DHS. At some point, I got a letter from DHS saying my name had been removed from the list. I haven't had a problem since. The letter also said that I could never know why my name was on it and that I could be put back on the list at any time.
It has been 5 or 6 years since I went through the name removal process and have tried to recall things the best I could. I see now there is webpage for traveler's who had issues like I had,
http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip (trip stands for "traveler redress inquiry program"), but I don't think it was quite this well organized back when I did it because I remember web searches being fruitless. I kind of remember asking TSA people at the airport and making a few phone calls before discovering who I had to write letters too.
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jakeman
Well-Known Member
While I haven't done any serious business travel in about 5 years from 2003 (when airports were still pretty empty) to 2010 I traveled extensively for business (probably averaged anywhere from 10-20 flights a month).
I never had a large issue with TSA. I think my worst encounter was when I was wearing a hooded sweater and they determined it was a jacket so I had to take it off and stand there in my undershirt for a few minutes.
I honestly think I would have had to transfer to a non-traveling position if that was a common occurrence with me.
NearTheEars
Well-Known Member
I think the cruisers are there to deter speeders. Every time I go it seems like I'm the only driver that's slows to 35 MPH as I approach the entrance. Sometimes I feel like I'm going to get run over.
betty rose
Well-Known Member
That's awful, a woman was also accused of groping women...
betty rose
Well-Known Member
Good to see you still have a sense of humor, after all you went through.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Oh the new FastHydration+ system...
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Lucky you.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Sure, let's stir up the conspiracy theorists.
So should we stagnate due to petrification of what may happen?
just fyi.. a lot of things are "conspiracy fantasies" until it actually happens.
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Maerj
Well-Known Member
Uni has metal detectors on each ride?
http://orlando.suntimes.com/orl-new...40679/metal-detectors-stay-universal-orlando/
http://orlando.suntimes.com/orl-new...40679/metal-detectors-stay-universal-orlando/
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Do you have stock in Aluminum Foil?
just fyi.. a lot of things are "conspiracy fantasies" until it actually happens.
I guess you missed the smiling smilie when you posted the:
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
The late Senator Edward Kennedy (D)MA found this out when he was placed on the 'no fly list', Even BEING a US Senator and a Kennedy it took him almost 2 months to get of the 'no fly list',
For the average joe well ... I hope you never ever NEED to fly again.