TSA bans Star Wars Land Coca-Cola Bottles from all U.S. flights

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yedliW

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time for them to become BB8 coke bottles

When they first showed pictures of these last year.. I thought that is what they were going for..

Odd that they won't let these through, but you can carry on a lightsabre..

I don't blame the blue shirts at the airport, they have a pretty rough job and get crapped on by passengers all day for enforcing rules they had nothing to do with implementing.. All while earning less than the people that cooked your lunch at the airport McDonalds..
 

smile

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This news is coming out of Disneyland, but it will impact WDW within a few days after Star Wars Land opens at DHS.

The TSA has now banned all of the Coca-Cola 'Thermal Detonator' bottles sold in Star Wars Land from being brought on any US flight in either checked or carry-on baggage. Disneyland tourists have learned the hard way this summer at SoCal airports that the bottles must be surrendered at the screening points if they are found by TSA agents in either checked or carry-on luggage.

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/08/...low&utm_medium=social&utm_content=tw-ocdisney

TSA officials confirmed that the souvenir collectible Coke bottles exclusively available in the new Star Wars lands are prohibited on U.S. flights because they look like replica explosives. “Replica items are not allowed on aircraft,” said TSA spokesperson Jim Gregory.

The Coke, Diet Coke and Sprite bottles were designed to look like the spherical explosive weapons used by bounty hunters and stormtroopers in the Star War universe. “The design of this thing just looks cool,” Walt Disney Imagineering portfolio creative executive Scott Trowbridge said when the bottles were unveiled in April. “Kind of thermal detonator-ish. It’s kind of awesome.”

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I hadn't thought about it until now, but Disney banned all toy guns from its theme parks some time ago because they didn't want to be associated with violence and killing. But fake grenades, "thermal detonators", that tout a corporate sponsor are apparently okay to sell at Disneyland and Disney World?

That's kind of an interesting place to draw a line in the sand; toy guns are bad, toy grenades are fine! But I have to assume these Coke products will soon be redesigned to be something else. Get 'em while you can! :D


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GoofGoof

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We brought a few of these home from DL on Sunday with no issue.

For the people saying these things do look like real hand grenades...have you ever seen a real grenade? Outside of both items being round there’s no resemblance.
 

GoofGoof

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I hadn't thought about it until now, but Disney banned all toy guns from its theme parks some time ago because they didn't want to be associated with violence and killing. But fake grenades, "thermal detonators", that tout a corporate sponsor are apparently okay to sell at Disneyland and Disney World?

That's kind of an interesting place to draw a line in the sand; toy guns are bad, toy grenades are fine! But I have to assume these Coke products will soon be redesigned to be something else. Get 'em while you can! :D
I think it’s similar to how they sell toy light sabers in the parks too. Thermal detonators and light sabers only exist in a fictitious galaxy far, far away. A kid won’t mistake his parent’s real thermal detonator for a toy and hurt himself but it does happen with guns. I personally don’t have a problem with toy guns or toy Star Wars weapons, but I think that’s why Disney probably draws the line there.
 

MrPromey

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I know a lot of people are down on this but really, if you stop and think about it, it makes sense.

They have an overall ban on weapons and items meant to resemble them - including toys and things that obviously aren't actual weapons.

That's the rule.

I'm sure it's that broad for the simple purpose of being too careful rather than not careful enough.

The fact that people have managed to get through with their Coke bottles should, rather than make people happy, deeply trouble them.

I mean, what happened there? Were they not noticed or did someone just decide it was silly to take them out?

Either way, that's horrible.

I know there are people rolling their eyes while reading this right now but hear me out:

One on hand, it means someone might not have been paying attention.

On the other, it means that someone decided to make their own personal judgment call not to enforce a clear policy which is supposed to be related to the whole point of them having a job there, to begin with.

Do either of those two scenarios make you feel safer as a passenger?

If this were just one thing in one place with a dozen or so of the same hand-picked people always doing the job, I'd feel a little better.

... but it ain't.

While I've run into plenty of nice lucid people at TSA, I've also encountered many who, for lack of a better way of putting it weren't and I'd really prefer for those people to not be playing loose-goosy with rules that are important.

I'm talking about people who's "common sense" I simply wouldn't trust.

Yeah, these are Coke bottles and from Disney. I'd expect people in the Orlando International Airport to see a lot of them; less so everywhere else those flights go in the country. Unless there is an official exception made with documentation shared throughout the organization (which could itself cause a Pandora's box effect with exceptions) I think this unfortunate rule is fair given the circumstances and the simple fact that a lot of (but not all) these people working for the TSA really can't and shouldn't be trusted to make their own judgement calls on the security and safety of travelers.

If I have to chose between a plane of people going down somewhere or someone having to ship their collectable bottles home, because of TSA policy, I'll take the latter, 100% of the time.

It's dumb. It sucks but a few a-holes flying planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon ruined a lot of nice things for us as a country when it comes to travel and I don't think we'll ever be able to go back to the way it once was.
 
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Raineman

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I know a lot of people are down on this but really, if you stop and think about it, it makes sense.

They have an overall ban on weapons and items meant to resemble them - including toys and things that obviously aren't actual weapons.

That's the rule.

I'm sure it's that broad for the simple purpose of being too careful rather than not careful enough.

The fact that people have managed to get through with their Coke bottles should, rather than make people happy, deeply trouble them.

I mean, what happened there? Were they not noticed or did someone just decide it was silly to take them out?

Either way, that's horrible.

I know there are people rolling their eyes while reading this right now but hear me out:

One on hand, it means someone might not have been paying attention.

On the other, it means that someone decided to make their own personal judgment call not to enforce a clear policy which is supposed to be related to the whole point of them having a job there, to begin with.

Do either of those two scenarios make you feel safer as a passenger?

If this were just one thing in one place with a dozen or so of the same hand-picked people always doing the job, I'd feel a little better.

... but it ain't.

While I've run into plenty of nice lucid people at TSA, I've also encountered many who, for lack of a better way of putting it weren't and I'd really prefer for those people to not be playing loose-goosy with rules that are important.

I'm talking about people who's "common sense" I simply wouldn't trust.

Yeah, these are Coke bottles and from Disney. I'd expect people in the Orlando International Airport to see a lot of them; less so everywhere else those flights go in the country. Unless there is an official exception made with documentation shared throughout the organization (which could itself cause a Pandora's box effect with exceptions) I think this unfortunate rule is fair given the circumstances and the simple fact that a lot of (but not all) these people working for the TSA really can't and shouldn't be trusted to make their own judgement calls on the security and safety of travelers.

If I have to chose between a plane of people going down somewhere or someone having to ship their collectable bottles home, because of TSA policy, I'll take the latter, 100% of the time.

It's dumb. It sucks but a few a-holes flying planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon ruined a lot of nice things for us as a country when it comes to travel and I don't think we'll ever be able to go back to the way it once was.
The problem is, where does this stop? This is starting to move from ensuring passenger safety to outright paranoia. They are going to continue to add more items to the list until it is going to be extremely cumbersome for most travelers to fly anywhere without having to buy basic, necessary items at their point of destination because they couldn't bring them with them. I could see all liquids being banned from luggage, cause any liquid could look like some kind of explosive, right? And, according to the TSA, you can transport unloaded firearms AND ammo in your checked luggage-but a Coke bottle or other innocuous items can be mistaken for a weapon? And how do you know checked firearms aren't loaded? It amazes me how many people are willing to continue to believe in sacrificing personal choice and freedom in the name of "safety".
 

NickPytlinski

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When they first showed pictures of these last year.. I thought that is what they were going for..

Odd that they won't let these through, but you can carry on a lightsabre..

I don't blame the blue shirts at the airport, they have a pretty rough job and get crapped on by passengers all day for enforcing rules they had nothing to do with implementing.. All while earning less than the people that cooked your lunch at the airport McDonalds..

i agree.

they would have something else to moan about if there were attacks or problems every other day at airports.
 

MrPromey

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The problem is, where does this stop? This is starting to move from ensuring passenger safety to outright paranoia. They are going to continue to add more items to the list until it is going to be extremely cumbersome for most travelers to fly anywhere without having to buy basic, necessary items at their point of destination because they couldn't bring them with them. I could see all liquids being banned from luggage, cause any liquid could look like some kind of explosive, right? And, according to the TSA, you can transport unloaded firearms AND ammo in your checked luggage-but a Coke bottle or other innocuous items can be mistaken for a weapon? And how do you know checked firearms aren't loaded? It amazes me how many people are willing to continue to believe in sacrificing personal choice and freedom in the name of "safety".

I don't understand your point.

These weren't added to the list. They didn't change any rules to explicitly not allow this particular product. They just let everyone know in answer to someone's question that these fall under a category that already isn't allowed..

A new toy gun would fall under the existing rule the exact same way.

Allowing these, would be an exception to an existing rule and that's my point.

They aren't signaling out Coke bottles with liquid in them. The rule is against items meant to mimic a weapon which for some reason, in all their wisdom, is how Disney decided to make these bottles.

Again, I agree it seems silly to think that anyone would mistake a coke bottle for a weapon - it does seem stupid - but the rule isn't that toy weapons aren't allowed unless you, the TSA operator who sees it personally feels they probably aren't a problem. It's toy weapons aren't allowed and I'm sure the stupidly strict reason for that rule is that some a lot of people cannot be trusted to make good personal calls 100% of the time in situations like this.

My guess is, the ones making it through are doing so becasue the TSA operator doesn't know what it's supposed to mimic rather than because they're cool with making their own value judgement in the face of the rules.

A lot of people are questioning how stupid a TSA operator would need to be to consider these a threat. That's missing the point of the rule which is to as much as possible, make it something not up to the operator to decide for themselves and that's how it should be.

Aside from people making dangerous choices, this kind of handling is also intended to protect personal liberties by eliminating or at least minimizing things like profiling. I mean, if a TSA operator is allowed to make a "common sense" judgement call on something like this, are they also allowed to do the same thing regarding suspicions of dark skinned people?

So yeah, I feel for you* if you don't get to take your collector's coke bottles on the plane and feel your personal freedom to fly on an airline with whatever you want has been violated. I'm sure you'd have no problem shipping them back by way of UPS, USPS, or FedEx if they mean that much to you, though.

And if you really want to blame someone for all of this, look at Disney who decided to make their Coke bottles in-world grenades instead of just in-world drinking containers. A slight change to the cap and/or the plastic branded wrapping and calling them something else would probably fix the problem, completely.

*I know that reads as flippant but I agree it really does suck that we live in a world where such threats have to be considered and where the need to staff airports at a certain level, at a particular price point means hiring people who can't all be air marshals trusted to make the right calls.
 
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larryz

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I don't understand your point.

These weren't added to the list. They didn't change any rules to explicitly not allow this particular product. They just let everyone know in answer to someone's question that these fall under a category that already isn't allowed..

A new toy gun would fall under the existing rule the exact same way.

Allowing these, would be an exception to an existing rule and that's my point.

They aren't signaling out Coke bottles with liquid in them. The rule is against items meant to mimic a weapon which for some reason, in all their wisdom, is how Disney decided to make these bottles.

Again, I agree it seems silly to think that anyone would mistake a coke bottle for a weapon - it does seem stupid - but the rule isn't that toy weapons aren't allowed unless you, the TSA operator who sees it personally feels they probably aren't a problem. It's toy weapons aren't allowed and I'm sure the stupidly strict reason for that rule is that some a lot of people cannot be trusted to make good personal calls 100% of the time in situations like this.

My guess is, the ones making it through are doing so becasue the TSA operator doesn't know what it's supposed to mimic rather than because they're cool with making their own value judgement in the face of the rules.

A lot of people are questioning how stupid a TSA operator would need to be to consider these a threat. That's missing the point of the rule which is to as much as possible, make it something not up to the operator to decide for themselves and that's how it should be.

Aside from people making dangerous choices, this kind of handling is also intended to protect personal liberties by eliminating or at least minimizing things like profiling. I mean, if a TSA operator is allowed to make a "common sense" judgement call on something like this, are they also allowed to do the same thing regarding suspicions of dark skinned people?

So yeah, I feel for you* if you don't get to take your collector's coke bottles on the plane and feel your personal freedom to fly on an airline with whatever you want has been violated. I'm sure you'd have no problem shipping them back by way of UPS, USPS, or FedEx if they mean that much to you, though.

And if you really want to blame someone for all of this, look at Disney who decided to make their Coke bottles in-world grenades instead of just in-world drinking containers. A slight change to the cap and/or the plastic branded wrapping and calling them something else would probably fix the problem, completely.

*I know that reads as flippant but I agree it really does suck that we live in a world where such threats have to be considered and where the need to staff airports at a certain level, at a particular price point means hiring people who can't all be air marshals trusted to make the right calls.
So, what is it it's supposed to mimic?

a "weapon" that's no more real than a lightsaber
 

thomas998

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I don't understand your point.

These weren't added to the list. They didn't change any rules to explicitly not allow this particular product. They just let everyone know in answer to someone's question that these fall under a category that already isn't allowed..

A new toy gun would fall under the existing rule the exact same way.

Allowing these, would be an exception to an existing rule and that's my point.

They aren't signaling out Coke bottles with liquid in them. The rule is against items meant to mimic a weapon which for some reason, in all their wisdom, is how Disney decided to make these bottles.

Again, I agree it seems silly to think that anyone would mistake a coke bottle for a weapon - it does seem stupid - but the rule isn't that toy weapons aren't allowed unless you, the TSA operator who sees it personally feels they probably aren't a problem. It's toy weapons aren't allowed and I'm sure the stupidly strict reason for that rule is that some a lot of people cannot be trusted to make good personal calls 100% of the time in situations like this.

My guess is, the ones making it through are doing so becasue the TSA operator doesn't know what it's supposed to mimic rather than because they're cool with making their own value judgement in the face of the rules.

A lot of people are questioning how stupid a TSA operator would need to be to consider these a threat. That's missing the point of the rule which is to as much as possible, make it something not up to the operator to decide for themselves and that's how it should be.

Aside from people making dangerous choices, this kind of handling is also intended to protect personal liberties by eliminating or at least minimizing things like profiling. I mean, if a TSA operator is allowed to make a "common sense" judgement call on something like this, are they also allowed to do the same thing regarding suspicions of dark skinned people?

So yeah, I feel for you* if you don't get to take your collector's coke bottles on the plane and feel your personal freedom to fly on an airline with whatever you want has been violated. I'm sure you'd have no problem shipping them back by way of UPS, USPS, or FedEx if they mean that much to you, though.

And if you really want to blame someone for all of this, look at Disney who decided to make their Coke bottles in-world grenades instead of just in-world drinking containers. A slight change to the cap and/or the plastic branded wrapping and calling them something else would probably fix the problem, completely.

*I know that reads as flippant but I agree it really does suck that we live in a world where such threats have to be considered and where the need to staff airports at a certain level, at a particular price point means hiring people who can't all be air marshals trusted to make the right calls.
The stupidity of them saying no toy weapons is that you can check a real pistol or rifle into your check in luggage and it isn't a problem. How do you think people go on hunting trips? This is just more evidence that the TSA should be eliminated. It does nothing but cause problems and has yet to stop a terrorist threat on a plane. Remember the current TSA is the same workers that were there prior to 9/11. All that happened was the previous private rent-a-cop workers suddenly got a new boss, the federal government. Nothing else changed, underwear bomber wasn't stopped by any checks before boarding he was stopped by passengers. You want safety increase the number of armed air marshals, but skip the false security of TSA.
 

MrPromey

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The stupidity of them saying no toy weapons is that you can check a real pistol or rifle into your check in luggage and it isn't a problem. How do you think people go on hunting trips? This is just more evidence that the TSA should be eliminated. It does nothing but cause problems and has yet to stop a terrorist threat on a plane. Remember the current TSA is the same workers that were there prior to 9/11. All that happened was the previous private rent-a-cop workers suddenly got a new boss, the federal government. Nothing else changed, underwear bomber wasn't stopped by any checks before boarding he was stopped by passengers. You want safety increase the number of armed air marshals, but skip the false security of TSA.

No argument there (regarding the stupidity) but I think 90% of the effectiveness of visible security is public theater. I would imagine that the reason they have been upgraded to security uniforms that make them look like airport police (even though they aren't) is for this very reason and in that regard, it's impossible to say how many idiots thinking about packing explosives in their shoes have changed their mind as a result of this heightened theater.

That said, I agree the current situation is a mess and is in dire need of a major overhaul. I'm certainly no TSA apologist, here and I can't imagine anyone who has to take a flight anywhere in this country is.
 
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