Totally new theme park for WDW!

[IMAGIN'Rwannabe]

New Theme Park

I know that Disney is presently planning a new theme park for WDW. I have given thought myself to what this should be.

First it needs an overriding theme. It has to be really unique. Of course, Magic Kingdom is modeled after the original Disneyland, Epcot is modeled after World's fairs, Disney-MGM Studios is modeled after Movie tours, and Animal Kingdom is modeled after zoos.

This park would be the one kind of park that WDW does not have, a Thrill park . This kind of park would directly target customers who want to go to Islands of Adventure, attracting the teenage to young adult crowds. It will also have some areas for younger children too. It will also allow some of the more "darker" elements of Disney to be highlighted, like villains and sorcery.

The basic layout would be like the Magic Kingdom, but with this theme.

Main Street -- Monsters Inc.
This would allow a shopping area like is at the MG and Disney studios. It might have one ride at a building called Monsters inc. But I have not figured out how to do a ride based on the movie. The street can also have restaurants, maybe one including the Japanese restaurant in the movie. There can be a children's section too, which allow interaction, but would not be a ride.


Main symbol- the castle of the beast in Beauty and the Beast This castle would be darker in design and could be quite large to accomdate both a restaurant, "Be Our Guest," which would have some clocks or candles come alive (animatronics or pupets), and a ride based on Beauty and the Beast. This would again be targeted for children. Perhaps a shop of inventions from Bel's father, a book store and tavern themed counter service restaurant could be included.

CoasterLand-thrill rides
I don't have a great name for this yet, but where you would expect Tomorrowland, a coasterland could be build with several standard thrill rides, inversion, loops, corkscrew, and altitude. Each coaster could have a different theme from a Disney villain.

Chill/Fright land
Where Adventureland would be, a land that aimed at people's phobias. A bat cave, Snake house, tiger house, rat maze, bug encounter. A water ride with some frights might also fit.

There is the basic structure to the theme park. It provides a great backdrop for Holloween, which has become a big money maker.

What do you think? Is this the kind of theme park you would want to go to? What would you change or eliminate? What would you add? I would love to hear your comments.

 

[imagineer boy]

Hmmm...... Where to begin?

WDW is not currently planning a fifth park. It has been a rumor, but not a true one. Second, EPCOT was not modeled after World's Fairs.

WDW does not need a thrill park. Only parks with dozens of rides set for the entire family. Not a park just for teens. It sounds like kids would have no fun at this park because of the lack of things for kids. The theme is toataly weak. It needs somthing better. A castle would be too similar to the Magic Kingdom. Besides, it sounds like everything in there would be better off and too similar to Fantaseyland. Coasterland is a completely un-original concept with cheap thrill rides, plus, nothing for kids to enjoy. Too cheap for Disney's standards. Frightland, yet again, nothing for kids to enjoy, and rides based on phobias? Where's the story line?

Sorry to be so negative, but your concept won't work.

 

[IMAGIN'Rwannabe]

Just a few points...

First, I have no knowledge whether Disney is or isn't planning a new theme park at WDW. The point of the post was to imagine if they were building a new one what kind of theme resort would be different enough from the current theme parks to justify its creation.

Second, you dispute whether Epcot is like a World's fair. Well, if you look at the historic World's fairs, like the 1939 or 1964 New York World's Fair, one sees companies with pavilions displaying the newest in technology and nations with pavilions promoting the best from their countries. Whether or not Epcot began with the intent to mimic a World's fair, is irrelevant since it certainly came out like one.

Third, I am open to criticism but I think you are missing the big concept. It is to build the new theme park around the concept of thrills. The concept may need some work, but I am not claiming this is original. Coaster parks are VERY popular around the country. People seem to want scarier and scarier experiences in coasters also (and in all rides generally). The key to making this Disney is to combine great a theme with the coasters to add the Disney touch. I also was trying to make areas which would be kid friendly also. Monsters Inc. is a great theme which I know Disney will use somewhere. It is very popular with kids.

Fourth, the concept of phobias is just a way of approaching this. Remember, Disney has already used the bug phobia in "It's tough to be a bug" in AK. People seem to enjoy the attraction, so it could not be that "lame." They also have used the fear of mice in "Honey I shrunk the Audience." I am not claiming this is a new concept, only a repackaging that people has already shown that they like.

Fifth, Disney is seeing more popularity of its villains. At one time, it would be hard to see many villains walking around the park. Now they have their own part in the parades. Now also merchandising is selling many villain themed items. It is selling very well. But this concept does not fit well into the current parks. This kind of park can give them their own Land. Perhaps, one should not theme the coaster after villains but after natural disasters, like hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, and hail storms. Villains can have their own rides, like the cave of wonders or skull rock. How about a ride on a full size pirate ship? Disney has the land to do that now, but not at the present theme parks.

Lastly, I am not one to advocate "cheap" rides, but cost has to be a factor. A fifth theme park has to make money. By having a fifth theme park, it encourages people to stay one more day at WDW. That means more souvenirs sold. More income for hotel stays. By generating a new park, it produces more income than just adding on rides to the current ones. That additional income can make these rides better than the competition. Remember that Splash Mountain was not the first log ride, it just was made better than the ones before it. The attraction of coasters around the country cannot be ignored. Disney has preferred to use better theming than big coasters to attract people. I think that is great, but to ignore that coaster parks attract a great deal of people, is putting one's head in the sand.

 

[daoVinci]

ImagineerBoy, "your idea will never work" is a very un-imagineering attitude to take, especially in such an early phase. While I agree it's avery rough concept that can definitely do with improvement, I don't think it's totally without merit.

As for having nothing for little kids, I think the Monsters, Inc. area would be a good place to start adding kiddie attractions. I can see both a dark-ride through the scream factory and a kiddie coaster/circlevision attraction based on the "door-delivery-system." Again, no hard designs yet, but basic ideas to kick around.

I also think that this would be a good place to move the orginal Alien Encounter that is now being converted in to a stitch theme.

Rather than a castle, what about amking "Gracey Manor" from the new Haunted Mansion movie as the main weenie? Make it an amped-up haunted mansion ride and theme everything the park as a part of the gracey estate?

 

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by daoVinci
ImagineerBoy, "your idea will never work" is a very un-imagineering attitude to take, especially in such an early phase. While I agree it's avery rough concept that can definitely do with improvement, I don't think it's totally without merit.

Sorry about that, but I really think a scare park won't work. Here's an idea it can evolve into though:

How about a themepark based on Mythology and legends? One land could be based on Mythology Creatures such as Centaurs, Unicorns Ect. It could be called Enchanted Woods or somthing. The park's icon could be based on fort discovery at TDS, like a castle fortress, like an enchanted onewith many passage ways and such resting on the side of a mountain. One area to Ancient Greece, one area based on Wizards and magic, ect. What do you think?

 

[daoVinci]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
Sorry about that, but I really think a scare park won't work. Here's an idea it can evolve into though:

Be that as it may, I still think it would be a fun exercise to indulge in...and you never know what might come of it. If one or two neat attractions arise which might actually fit in one of the parks...all the better.

How about a themepark based on Mythology and legends? One land could be based on Mythology Creatures such as Centaurs, Unicorns Ect. It could be called Enchanted Woods or somthing. The park's icon could be based on fort discovery at TDS, like a castle fortress, like an enchanted onewith many passage ways and such resting on the side of a mountain. One area to Ancient Greece, one area based on Wizards and magic, ect. What do you think?

Interesting idea. "Enchanted Woods" doesn't do much for me...I'd expect something like the forest from Bambi or Snow White. How about something a little more exotic?

Mythica
Lands of Legend

Something like that. The icon could be any number of things: King Minos's palace (including the infamous labyrinth-- it could have numerous secret passages as well), Heorot Hall from Beowulf, Camelot-- heck, we could even construct a fort like you describe based on a fanciful concept of what stonehenge might have looked like 3000 years ago.

Okay, so we'd have:
1 Mythological Creatures
2 Ancient Gods and Heroes (greek, norse, mesopotamian, etc)
3 Sorcery, etc...

What other lands could we have. Also, do we want to start a new thread for this?

 

[ArsonWinter]

Okay, so we'd have:
1 Mythological Creatures
2 Ancient Gods and Heroes (greek, norse, mesopotamian, etc)
3 Sorcery, etc...

Well, what about Asian mythology?

 

[daoVinci]

Well, what about Asian mythology?

I'm afraid I'm not terribly familiar with Asian Myths, though I'm all for having such an area. If you are familiar with it, throw out some ideas.

 

[IMAGIN'Rwannabe]

Still one question... Why?

I think many good themes are being suggested, but at some point someone has to introduce some practical questions.

Why should this be a separate park? Who does this appeal to? What groups need to be included that are not interested in this?

As I said about my original suggestion, there are reasons for a new park like the one I suggested. What would make my park different is that it would be aimed at including more coasters in the park to compete more directing with what Universal is doing. Along with the "thrills" of coaster, other "thrills" could be included. I have explained that people do want more exciting and thrilling rides than when Walt Disney originally designed his park. I also explained that this park might provide a place for Disney villains who right now do not have much place.

The suggestion of myths and and legends has some interesting potential, but why? That sounds like a great "land" somewhere, but not a whole park. Right now I cannot say Disney "needs" a whole new park for myths and legends. Who does it appeal to? This idea is very attractive to males, but not very fun for females. It also does not sound very attractive to children. What is included that would be attractive to little girls? What would you include that would be more Kid-centered?

It is also not clear what kind of rides or attractions would be there. Why would this be fun? What is fun about a land with Greek statues and temples?

 

[imagineer boy]

Re: Still one question... Why?

Originally posted by IMAGIN'Rwannabe
I think many good themes are being suggested, but at some point someone has to introduce some practical questions.

Why should this be a separate park? Who does this appeal to? What groups need to be included that are not interested in this?

As I said about my original suggestion, there are reasons for a new park like the one I suggested. What would make my park different is that it would be aimed at including more coasters in the park to compete more directing with what Universal is doing. Along with the "thrills" of coaster, other "thrills" could be included. I have explained that people do want more exciting and thrilling rides than when Walt Disney originally designed his park. I also explained that this park might provide a place for Disney villains who right now do not have much place.

The suggestion of myths and and legends has some interesting potential, but why? That sounds like a great "land" somewhere, but not a whole park. Right now I cannot say Disney "needs" a whole new park for myths and legends. Who does it appeal to? This idea is very attractive to males, but not very fun for females. It also does not sound very attractive to children. What is included that would be attractive to little girls? What would you include that would be more Kid-centered?

It is also not clear what kind of rides or attractions would be there. Why would this be fun? What is fun about a land with Greek statues and temples?

Um, the land would have more than Greek statues and temples. It would have rides like maybe a 3-D show, a greek themed roller coaster or two, maybe a merry-go-round.

The problem with your park is that its very kid unfriendley. Its too gothic and maybe a bit too uncomfortable for some guests and kids may find it too scary despite the fact that it has a monsters inc. land. I mean, it can't be the only land for kids to do things it. Look, a theme park must have a perfect blend of thrill rides, things for kids only like a playground or too, and rides that everyone can go on. Blended attractions like that shoulod be for every land. Take tomorrowland for example: Alien Encounter and Space Mountain provide thrills for the teens and young adults, and maybe a few daring younger ones for Space Mountain. Attractions that every one can go on and enjoy like the TTA, Carousel of Progress, and Time Keeper. And things that younger kids would more enjoy like Astro Orbiter, and The Grand Prix raceway. All types of rides blended together nicely.

But for some of the lands like Phobialand and the villains land, only teens and young adults willl enjoy everything and kids and adults won't enjoy.

Since when does Mythology only interest men? I'm sure women would enjoy it perfectly as much as men. Plus kiddie rides could easily be fitted in with the themeing.

 

[funky_shao]

I think the spark is a good one, but I fear it may be shot down before it has even taken off.

Yes, at this point, the park appears to be very centralized to one target audience, I agree. However, more ideas must be "bounced" around for it to truly reveal its potential. This is the way it is almost always done. In fact, sparks are only abandoned in the late stages of cencept -> completion of a project.

Anyways, enough philosophy! Let's see if we can develop this further!

Happy Hunting!

 

[daoVinci]

Re: Re: Still one question... Why?

Originally posted by imagineer boy
But for some of the lands like Phobialand and the villains land, only teens and young adults willl enjoy everything and kids and adults won't enjoy.

Actually, I think PhobiaLand could have plenty of interest for kids. Things like spiders, snakes and other crawly things that kids seem somehow drawn to like magnets...especially when they see their parents' reaction to them. VillainsLand, too. Disney movies would be nothing if not for the strength of their villains. I've got several young cousins who love to play "maleficent" or "Cruella" or even "Scar."

That having been said, It seems like there area couple of us at least willing to try to develop the idea here. I'd like to hear some suggestions from you on how we can improve this concept. However, if you can seem to get past your initial objection and offer some actual suggestions rather than simply put down the concept time and again, I would ask that you reserve comment until such time as you have something constructive to contribute.

Thanks!

 

[I Love Epcot]

Um..Just a thought

Why not put both ideas into one park. I mean MK has almost 8 lands (Some are small, so what) so you could have the largest land being Villians, that would be many peoples favorites because the Villians are "bad" but they are also interesting to many people. Another land could be the "Myths/ Legends" area with more shows than rides.

The park doesnt have to be completely dark, but Disney needs more than its usual "Everything has a happy ending" stuff all the other parks have. So if i break it down this is what i would think would be the best compromise.

New Park (7 Lands) (Modeled after MK so MK Lands in () is where new land would be)
1. Villian Land (Largest) (Tomorrowland)
-Roller Coaster Based on Villains
-Show like Philarmagic, but with villians or actor show where Villains vs. Good Guys (Jafar vs. Alladdin and Mulan vs. Evil Army Leader Guy)
-Restaurant where Villains serve food?

2. Myth/Legend Land (Second Largest) (Fantasyland)
-More Educational with shows
-More Motion rides than Speed Rides
-"Hercules " attraction

3. Phobia Land (Sixth Largest) (Frontierland)
-Interactivwe Show where people confront fears
-Water Ride with snakes/spiders/height etc.

4. Evil of the World Land (Fourth Largest) (Between Tomorrowland and Monsters Inc. Road)
-Ride with Asian Myths
-3-D Show with Mummies
-SeaMonster Ride

5. Kid's Zone (Smallest) (Liberty Square)
-Interactive water fountains
-Tame rides featuring less "Evil" villians (Cruella DeVille, Scar, Evil Stepsisiters from "Cinderella")

6. Monsters Inc. Road (Main Street, USA)
-Shops
-Main Parade Route

7. Need Help With This One Land

 

[WeirdOne]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
Hmmm...... Where to begin?

WDW is not currently planning a fifth park. It has been a rumor, but not a true one. Second, EPCOT was not modeled after World's Fairs.

WDW does not need a thrill park. Only parks with dozens of rides set for the entire family. Not a park just for teens. It sounds like kids would have no fun at this park because of the lack of things for kids. The theme is toataly weak. It needs somthing better. A castle would be too similar to the Magic Kingdom. Besides, it sounds like everything in there would be better off and too similar to Fantaseyland. Coasterland is a completely un-original concept with cheap thrill rides, plus, nothing for kids to enjoy. Too cheap for Disney's standards. Frightland, yet again, nothing for kids to enjoy, and rides based on phobias? Where's the story line?

Sorry to be so negative, but your concept won't work.

Hmmm, where for me to begin. I've had a rough day at work, so expect something not too nice, but you'll know why now...

A true Imagineer NEVER EVER shoots down an idea. What you're doing is called self-egotistic centralism. No one ever wants to hear their idea shot down...EVER...period! If I worked at Imaigneering with you, I'd have you fired for that. That's a disgrace to the concepts of Imagineering. I don't think you get the fact that Imagineering is a community and shooting down others simply doesn't work. I've never shot down anyone, I've pointed out kindly that it's economically not feasible and suggested alternatives or other propositions. What you did was also rude.

Second, EPCOT WAS modeled after World Fairs, take it from someone who knows someone who literally worked on the project. Check your facts with someone like me before you post. And another thing, althought the 5th park isn't rumored anymore, it was quite a reality at somepoint UNLIKE Fire Mountain.

So, do us a favor and take a refresher course on Imagineering, either that or get someone who knows what Imagineering is to help you.

- wannabe: I think with some work your concept can be a success in it's own right. I think if you based your layout more on Islands Of Adventure and created more themeing (once again, A.L.A. - Islands Of Adventure) you might have a hit. If you need help from someone who talks to Imagineers daily pretty much, don't hesitate to give me a buzz on AIM. The screenname is in my profile. - The WeirdOne

 

[Michael72688]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
Hmmm...... Where to begin?

WDW is not currently planning a fifth park. It has been a rumor, but not a true one. Second, EPCOT was not modeled after World's Fairs.

WDW does not need a thrill park. Only parks with dozens of rides set for the entire family. Not a park just for teens. It sounds like kids would have no fun at this park because of the lack of things for kids. The theme is toataly weak. It needs somthing better. A castle would be too similar to the Magic Kingdom. Besides, it sounds like everything in there would be better off and too similar to Fantaseyland. Coasterland is a completely un-original concept with cheap thrill rides, plus, nothing for kids to enjoy. Too cheap for Disney's standards. Frightland, yet again, nothing for kids to enjoy, and rides based on phobias? Where's the story line?

Sorry to be so negative, but your concept won't work.

If Disney wants to do well in the future they are really gonna need a thrill park, it could be called Disney's Adventure Kingdom, or something, just to compete with Islands of Adventure

 

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by WeirdOne
Hmmm, where for me to begin. I've had a rough day at work, so expect something not too nice, but you'll know why now...

A true Imagineer NEVER EVER shoots down an idea. What you're doing is called self-egotistic centralism. No one ever wants to hear their idea shot down...EVER...period! If I worked at Imaigneering with you, I'd have you fired for that. That's a disgrace to the concepts of Imagineering. I don't think you get the fact that Imagineering is a community and shooting down others simply doesn't work. I've never shot down anyone, I've pointed out kindly that it's economically not feasible and suggested alternatives or other propositions. What you did was also rude.

So, do us a favor and take a refresher course on Imagineering, either that or get someone who knows what Imagineering is to help you.

-

Excuse me, but I DID NOT shoot down his idea. Sure "Your idea won't work" was a bit harsh, but I meant that the current way it was in just wouldn't work. Also, I just said that I didn't like it and why. Plus, how to improve it.

 

[WeirdOne]

No, you DID shoot his idea down. Right here...

Originally posted by imagineer boy
WDW does not need a thrill park. Only parks with dozens of rides set for the entire family. Not a park just for teens. It sounds like kids would have no fun at this park because of the lack of things for kids. The theme is toataly weak. It needs somthing better. A castle would be too similar to the Magic Kingdom. Besides, it sounds like everything in there would be better off and too similar to Fantaseyland. Coasterland is a completely un-original concept with cheap thrill rides, plus, nothing for kids to enjoy. Too cheap for Disney's standards. Frightland, yet again, nothing for kids to enjoy, and rides based on phobias? Where's the story line?

Sorry to be so negative, but your concept won't work.

Right there. I'll even point out every phrase. And I quote some more..."does not need," "toataly weak," "better off and too similar to Fantaseyland," "unorigianl concept with cheap," "too cheap for Disney's," and the killer, "your concept won't work."

Now, tell me again that you DIDN'T shoot his idea down. Even I have more courtesy and franky, I support this idea. Maybe this is why more people tend to rely and use helpful constructive critism (what I normally provide), unlike this rejection of everything (what I just quoted you on as denying).

Sorry to totally interupt and ruin yur topic wannabe. I think your idea of a thrill park is acceptable. If Disney can built Paradise Pier, why not. Now, continue. - The WeirdOne

 

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by WeirdOne
No, you DID shoot his idea down. Right here...



Right there. I'll even point out every phrase. And I quote some more..."does not need," "toataly weak," "better off and too similar to Fantaseyland," "unorigianl concept with cheap," "too cheap for Disney's," and the killer, "your concept won't work."

Now, tell me again that you DIDN'T shoot his idea down. Even I have more courtesy and franky, I support this idea. Maybe this is why more people tend to rely and use helpful constructive critism (what I normally provide), unlike this rejection of everything (what I just quoted you on as denying).

Look, I put it in a bit of a harsh term, but I did not mean to totally put down his idea. I support his idea too, but it just needs some work. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. This is getting rediculouse.

Continue with you thread Wannabe.

 

[blazerblvd]

Back to the rumor mill----but....

I read that a 5th park was being planned that was a cross of Disney's America and Disney Sea.

Any ideas?

 

[I3olTz]

Why not put both ideas into one park. I mean MK has almost 8 lands (Some are small, so what) so you could have the largest land being Villians, that would be many peoples favorites because the Villians are "bad" but they are also interesting to many people. Another land could be the "Myths/ Legends" area with more shows than rides.

The park doesnt have to be completely dark, but Disney needs more than its usual "Everything has a happy ending" stuff all the other parks have. So if i break it down this is what i would think would be the best compromise.

New Park (7 Lands) (Modeled after MK so MK Lands in () is where new land would be)
1. Villian Land (Largest) (Tomorrowland)
-Roller Coaster Based on Villains
-Show like Philarmagic, but with villians or actor show where Villains vs. Good Guys (Jafar vs. Alladdin and Mulan vs. Evil Army Leader Guy)
-Restaurant where Villains serve food?

2. Myth/Legend Land (Second Largest) (Fantasyland)
-More Educational with shows
-More Motion rides than Speed Rides
-"Hercules " attraction

3. Phobia Land (Sixth Largest) (Frontierland)
-Interactivwe Show where people confront fears
-Water Ride with snakes/spiders/height etc.

4. Evil of the World Land (Fourth Largest) (Between Tomorrowland and Monsters Inc. Road)
-Ride with Asian Myths
-3-D Show with Mummies
-SeaMonster Ride

5. Kid's Zone (Smallest) (Liberty Square)
-Interactive water fountains
-Tame rides featuring less "Evil" villians (Cruella DeVille, Scar, Evil Stepsisiters from "Cinderella")

6. Monsters Inc. Road (Main Street, USA)
-Shops
-Main Parade Route

7. Need Help With This One Land

This sounds pretty kool to me, looks like some disney material to me