Rumor Tokyo Third Gate Coming Soon?

[the.dreamfinder]

According to a report from The Wrap, Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser was pitched to OLC as part of a third gate for TDR. While concepts for Tokyo’s third gate have been in development for a while now, this report suggests OLC is ready to actually move forward on it. Which kinda surprises me given their post Covid struggles and the costs and delays related to Fantasy Springs.

“Drawing on the mythology of the beloved series of “Star Wars” films and television shows and sited within the sprawling Walt Disney World complex outside of Orlando, Florida, the Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser was a concept meant to travel the world. There were tentative plans to build one in Paris and another at the as-yet-unannounced third gate at Tokyo. It could even have come home to Disneyland in Anaheim.”

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Not sure what a third gate in Tokyo would look like if designed by today's WDI. The Japanese equivalent of WDSP 2.0?

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

Cause it worked so well in Orlando?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Cause it worked so well in Orlando?

The post says "there were tentative plans", I'm sure they are not planning it now.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Not sure what a third gate in Tokyo would look like if designed by today's WDI. The Japanese equivalent of WDSP 2.0?

Well, we know what their MiraCosta looks like.

(Image from @towerhack on Twitter)

 

[Supersnow84]

The original plan for the third gate before the construction of fantasy springs basically called for the use of the fantasy spring plot, all of the bay lake partner hotel space (they were going to pay to move them to the area around ikspiri) and most of the parking lot areas between the front entrance of Disneyland and the companion hotels

Now that fantasy springs has taken up most of that space a third gate on site just isn’t possible, Disney isn’t allow to expand the resort north of the monorail loop (such as into that sporting field complex)

 

[the.dreamfinder]

The original plan for the third gate before the construction of fantasy springs basically called for the use of the fantasy spring plot, all of the bay lake partner hotel space (they were going to pay to move them to the area around ikspiri) and most of the parking lot areas between the front entrance of Disneyland and the companion hotels
View attachment 718467Now that fantasy springs has taken up most of that space a third gate on site just isn’t possible, Disney isn’t allow to expand the resort north of the monorail loop (such as into that sporting field complex)

It’s OLC, not Disney, who makes the calls here since it’s their cash. The bigger issue would be how much they’re willing to spend on land reclamation.

I would find it hard to believe they’re land locked like you’re suggesting.

 

[Supersnow84]

It’s OLC, not Disney, who makes the calls here since it’s their cash. The bigger issue would be how much they’re willing to spend on land reclamation.

I would find it hard to believe they’re land locked like you’re suggesting.

Disney as the collective park not the Disney as a managing company

I also believe land reclamation is not allowed anymore on the site so they essentially have no space anymore

 

[SweetDuffy101]

Hypothetically, Starwars Land is bound for Tokyo. The only plot land that im seeing right now viable for the land would Be replacing the entirety of Rivers of America. Cause tokyo cant expand that much anymore. And if it happens Its going require a ton of work since Westernland Adventureland and Critter country are connected.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

Hard for me to see Galaxy's Edge coming when Star Wars doesn't resonate that much in Japan. In my experience speaking to young Japanese, Star Wars is more of a thing that their parents might have been into in the '80s and doesn't have a lot of modern pull. Most Japanese I've spoken to have either never seen it or only ever seen one film, usually one of the prequels or sequels. Star Tours is also almost always a walk-on at TDL.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Hard for me to see Galaxy's Edge coming when Star Wars doesn't resonate that much in Japan. In my experience speaking to young Japanese, Star Wars is more of a thing that their parents might have been into in the '80s and doesn't have a lot of modern pull. Most Japanese I've spoken to have either never seen it or only ever seen one film, usually one of the prequels or sequels. Star Tours is also almost always a walk-on at TDL.

I wouldn’t go that far. The next Star Wars Celebration is being held in Japan, the second time and the only non western country to host it.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

I wouldn’t go that far. The next Star Wars Celebration is being held in Japan, the second time and the only non western country to host it.

It definitely has it's fan base but it doesn't seem to have wide appeal like it does in other countries. Maybe I'm wrong?

 

[Supersnow84]

Not so much would GE work more so would GE work knowing it would have to replace r an entire land go fit it

 

[tanc]

I remember long ago there were rumors of Disney Sky, but probably not. I'm not sure how I would feel about OLC making a 3rd park, Sea and Land are great. The new sea expansion is going to be colossally huge, hope I can see it next year.

 

[Supersnow84]

I don’t think disneysky was ever actually a legit thought by the execs, it was more just a funny “hey what if a resort had land sea and sky”

Doing something that would be worthy of that name would be astronomically expensive even by OLC standards, lands themed to air travel, elevated walkways, sky related theming and Merch, imagine trying to artificially replicate clouds under the lands to appear like the park is flying, sure DisneySea cost a fortune but a good chunk of it was just submerging half the park in water so that every land was connected to water, disneysky would probably cost in the realm of an entire park per land

 

[BlakeW39]

God I'd hope not. Modern Disney couldn't build a second gate because it has no interest in making the parks any different from one another. Last thing we need is some bootleg DHS blight on the Tokyo property.

 

[Supersnow84]

The fact that Disneyland forward lists 6 potential lands for its expansion and none of them are unique really says a lot

Little parks like HK are really gonna suffer from their premiere lands also being available at other parks

 

[Robbiem]

I’d rather see more at the existing parks than a third gate, or even another resort in the west of Japan (although that is very unlikely).

Japanese people don’t tend to take long vacations, often only a few days so a third gate might not encourage longer stays in the way it would in the west

 

[marni1971]

Little parks like HK are really gonna suffer from their premiere lands also being available at other parks

HKDL seems to be rebounding from the pandemic quite well and creating quite a niche market with locals. Early days of course.

 

[Supersnow84]

HKDL seems to be rebounding from the pandemic quite well and creating quite a niche market with locals. Early days of course.

Oh 100% Hong Kong’s popularity resurgence with the Hong Kong population is amazing and likely sets it up for long term stability, but based on the numbers not necessarily profit

Guest numbers last financial year were 3.1 off 6 months of operating, let’s generously double that to 6.2 for 12 months, the often cited figure for profit off the current park size (ie no arendelle) is 7 million, arendelle is a large plot of land and is pretty cast intensive with 2 rides, a shop, a quick service, meet and greet and a theatre, so let’s say profit with arendelle is 8-8.5 million, HK won’t reach that without GBA and south East Asian tourism

But if you live in say Singapore or australia why go to little HK for frozen when massive Tokyo is only 2 hours further by plane, this is the benefit of mystic point and grizzly gulch but they can’t carry the park alone

Of course we don’t know how Chinese tourism will recover because if the park can pull 5+ from HK alone the wider SEA only needs to give it 3 which is possible when you factor in GBA

the more I think about it the more I think the park is actually in the best position it’s ever been in but that position isn’t coming from attractiveness to a particular land like frozen so much as it is the park just actually becoming good so to speak, which means it might also be influenced by Shanghai, Shanghai getting a second gate before HK really solidifies this performance boost in the local market (or alternatively before LegCo gives up though that’s looking less likely because they seem to be going down the path of sacrificing ocean park to make Disney better) would probably hit the park as hard as Shanghai first opening did