Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion

[malice]

So I had an interesting thought this morning. Look at the aerial map of the resort. We have the Fantasyland expansion in TDL. This "kind of Fantasyland" expansion in TDS. Look how close they are, they are almost... connected...
Now, also look at where the new extra luxurious hotel is located (and which, as a reminder, will be the most luxurious hotel of the resort)

My guess, and it's not extremely far-fetched, is that both parks will be a direct walk-in for guests of that resort. They will get, regardless of how many days they are staying, automatically the 2parks per day tickets.

Note that this might even have consequences on regular guests, think Universal Orlando style with a direct link between the 2 parks (via an upcharge, of course). Only here, it will be through Fantasyland, not Harry Potter.

What do you guys think?

Due to the proximity of both Fantasyland expansions I’ve also wondered about the possibility of linking both parks at this junction. If they could make it work (pathway between Toontown and BaTB); it would most likely be similar to Orlando Potter with 2-Park Passport holders having access, though I don’t think the hotel would be sandwiched as you’ve illustrated. Here’s my take on the layout (please excuse the crudeness):

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

@malice

Due to the proximity of both Fantasyland expansions I’ve also wondered about the possibility of linking both parks at this junction. If they could make it work (pathway between Toontowb and BaTB); it would most likely be similar to Orlando Potter with 2-Park Passport holders having access, though I don’t think the hotel would be sandwiched as you’ve illustrated. Here’s my take on the layout (please excuse the crudeness):

Where you put the entrance to the land, between Tangled and Pan, makes a ton of sense actually. The right face of the Frozen castle would act as a nice weenie to draw you in.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

I crudely scribbled over the concept art to show how Malice's entrance set up would work.

Red line is coming from TDS, a forested walkway would create a buffer from the nearby lands. Going right takes you into the Tangled area. Straight ahead takes you into the castle. The left path takes you deeper in. It has another entrance into the Frozen village. Across the way and under some rockwork, guests would enter Neverland proper. The first thing you would encounter would be the Pixie flat, then the QSR, and then the E ticket.

The green offshoot, in the Tangled area, is the best way to connect it to TDL. Although TDL really is not set up to have a connecting path to TDS. The new expansion doesn't make any apparent space for a connecting path.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I'm leaning towards Tangled using the Shainghai PotC ride system. And Pan being an all new ride using the Shainghai PPF ride system. And my reasoning is the floating lantern scene would be amazing using that tech, and I don't see how they would be able to achieve the flying over Neverland effect with the PotC tech. It's most impressive effect is a room filled with water surrounded by a giant screen.

 

[jaxonp]

Yeah all attractions have Japanese dialogue including parades and shows. Tokyo at one point had English dialogue for Castle shows back in the 1990's. Unlike Paris where they started doing English and French dialogue for shows and a few parades sometime in the 2000's.

Most of the music is still in English though... Dreaming Up parade is all english.

 

[mharrington]

Does this new Peter Pan area mean that the Peter Pan ride in Tokyo Disneyland will be closed? Because it seems like it would be redundant to have similar rides based on the same movie in two different parks in the same resort. Granted, one takes you over London and one does not, but still...

 

[Sped2424]

I'm leaning towards Tangled using the Shainghai PotC ride system. And Pan being an all new ride using the Shainghai PPF ride system. And my reasoning is the floating lantern scene would be amazing using that tech, and I don't see how they would be able to achieve the flying over Neverland effect with the PotC tech. It's most impressive effect is a room filled with water surrounded by a giant screen.

Agreed tangled is not comparable to Navi river journey at all based on description it sound FAR better. As for pan they said the boat shall go from being on a river to FLYING. The pirates tech can't accomplish that as you stated.

 

[Sped2424]

Does this new Peter Pan area mean that the Peter Pan ride in Tokyo Disneyland will be closed? Because it seems like it would be redundant to have similar rides based on the same movie in two different parks in the same resort. Granted, one takes you over London and one does not, but still...

From the looks of it Peter pan at tdl seems safe. If buzz and Midway mania can exists in different parks down the street from each other no reason why these two rides can't coexist.

 

[brb1006]

Most of the music is still in English though... Dreaming Up parade is all english.

I mean't character dialogue. Currently the only Disney characters that can be heard with English dialogue at Tokyo would have to be Alice, Hook, Peter Pan, Wendy, Pete from Pete's Dragon, and Tinker Bell and the Fairies during Tokyo Disneyland Electrical Parade Dreamlights.

 

[brb1006]

That makes sense but at least those rides are interactive and the visuals are different. It will be interesting to see how a boat ride that goes through Neverland and starts flying over Neverland differs from a "boat" ride that flies over Neverland. The visuals seem like they would be similar.

I imagine Tokyo's queue and ride effects for Peter Pan might use similar technology seen at WDW's Peter Pan queue with the pixie dust effects but turning up to a new level.

 

[brb1006]

I wonder if Tokyo's upcoming BATB LPS ride queue might use the door effect seen in Enchanted Tales With Belle?

 

[BrianLo]

I like how little idea we have about the orientation. One thing I would add is that the hotel has to be near Bayside station. Meaning clockwise entering the land we either have Tangled Neverland Hotel Frozen. Or Neverland Hotel Frozen Tangled.

My immediate thought is the first option since the biggest break in the land is between Frozen and Tangled. I assume that’s the break needed to enter the land. Tangled and Neverland form a clear continuous berm to block out the Bayside hotels. Frozen forms a berm to block our Disneyland. Nothing directly abuts Arabian coast or else you’ll have the massive backside of a show building looming over that corner.

I really truly believe there will be no entrance to Disneyland. Or very limited to guest of the hotel. The parks do not offering park hoppers for initial days and they have no real desire to. The parks are properly balanced, park hopping introduces a whole set of problems I really don’t think OLC cares for.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

Agreed tangled is not comparable to Navi river journey at all based on description it sound FAR better. As for pan they said the boat shall go from being on a river to FLYING. The pirates tech can't accomplish that as you stated.

Let's compare the official descriptions

"Guests will board gondolas for a romantic boat tour of Rapunzel’s “best day ever” as she journeys with Flynn to the lantern festival. Countless flickering lanterns illuminate the attraction’s climactic scene while Rapunzel and Flynn sing an iconic song from the film, building to an unforgettable finale."

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Glide down a gentle, mysterious river and feel a sense of wonder as the full beauty of Pandora reveals itself. Located within the Valley of Mo’ara, Na’vi River Journey offers explorers an experience that has to be seen—and heard—to be believed!
As your expedition begins, climb aboard a reed boat and drift downstream. After coasting through a series of caves, and passing by exotic glowing plants and amazing creatures of the rainforest, you’ll soon find yourself face-to-face with the Na’vi Shaman of Songs.
The adventure comes to a conclusion as the Shaman demonstrates her deep connection to the life force of Pandora—and sends positive energy out into the forest through the power of her music!

Much like the Na'vi River Cruise, the Tangled boat ride is going to focus on atmosphere. Two atmospheric boat rides that culminate in a dreamy finale. It won't be a retelling of the movie. And that is a good thing. Ride systems don't determine the quality of the experience. I expect it to be a charming ride. But at the end of the day, it's a Fantasyland dark ride for the 21st century.

 

[Sped2424]

Let's compare the official descriptions

"Guests will board gondolas for a romantic boat tour of Rapunzel’s “best day ever” as she journeys with Flynn to the lantern festival. Countless flickering lanterns illuminate the attraction’s climactic scene while Rapunzel and Flynn sing an iconic song from the film, building to an unforgettable finale."

--

Glide down a gentle, mysterious river and feel a sense of wonder as the full beauty of Pandora reveals itself. Located within the Valley of Mo’ara, Na’vi River Journey offers explorers an experience that has to be seen—and heard—to be believed!
As your expedition begins, climb aboard a reed boat and drift downstream. After coasting through a series of caves, and passing by exotic glowing plants and amazing creatures of the rainforest, you’ll soon find yourself face-to-face with the Na’vi Shaman of Songs.
The adventure comes to a conclusion as the Shaman demonstrates her deep connection to the life force of Pandora—and sends positive energy out into the forest through the power of her music!

Much like the Na'vi River Cruise, the Tangled boat ride is going to focus on atmosphere. Two atmospheric boat rides that culminate in a dreamy finale. It won't be a retelling of the movie. And that is a good thing. Ride systems don't determine the quality of the experience. I expect it to be a charming ride. But at the end of the day, it's a Fantasyland dark ride for the 21st century.

Rapunzels best day ever vs a tour through a bio lumniscent jungle don't seem comparable to me? And both rides ending on a finale is just evocative of almost every Disney ride built within the 21st century! The only "similarities" we have of tangled from the press release is boat, water, and a finale focuses on atmosphere and song. If that were the case pirates is very similar to Navi river journey, as is FEA.

Frozens press release for comparison.
"The adventure begins on the docks of Arendelle, as seen in the classic animated film. After finding a seat aboard your boat, feel an Olaf-inspired smile frost across your face when the lapping waters take you right into the frozen willow forest.

Soon, you’ll be rubbing shoulders with some “boulders”—a.k.a. Kristoff’s family from Troll Valley—before bracing for the cold. High up in the icy blue world of the North Mountain, Queen Elsa’s enchanting ice palace awaits! Behold the wonder… and keep an eye out for a few more Frozen friends too.

Finally, hang on tight as you glide back down into the Bay of Arendelle and conclude this “Summer Snow Day” celebration in style—complete with many of your favorite Frozen tunes"

By this standard one could say they are similar rides which I think is far from the truth. The same I believe will be true of this Tangled ride. Are they boat dark rides yes. But does that mean the level of experience will be the same? Unlikely.

 

[SweetDuffy101]

The $2.5 billion is going to the entire expansion. Meaning the new parking structure, the new hotel, Neverland, Tangled Area, and Frozen Area, Soarin', Beauty and the Beast Area, the theatre in Fantasyland, the new Minnie experience, and the redesign of the E-tickets (Small World, Jungle Cruise, Pirates).

Actually Wrong,This the part 2 of their 5 billion dollar expansion that will take 10 years started back in 2013.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

The $2.5 billion is going to the entire expansion. Meaning the new parking structure, the new hotel, Neverland, Tangled Area, and Frozen Area, Soarin', Beauty and the Beast Area, the theatre in Fantasyland, the new Minnie experience, and the redesign of the E-tickets (Small World, Jungle Cruise, Pirates).

Negatory sir.
The Press release is very clear about this.

 

[PorterRedkey]

So Shanghai cost 5.5 - 6 billion and this land will be an estimated 2.26 billion dollars (roughly).

Did they underspend on Shanghai or are they spending too much on TDS for this new land and hotel?

 

[mharrington]

That makes sense but at least those rides are interactive and the visuals are different. It will be interesting to see how a boat ride that goes through Neverland and starts flying over Neverland differs from a "boat" ride that flies over Neverland. The visuals seem like they would be similar.

My thoughts exactly. The Buzz Lightyear ride and the Toy Story midway ride both have the same characters and an interactive element, but they're really different.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Will you look at all the great stuff Tokyo Disneyland is getting! Tangled! Frozen! Beauty and the Beast! Freaking NEVERLAND for crying out loud! And what do we Yanks get here in the States? Pandora! Star Wars! One a flash-in-the-pan movie hit, the other a fading played-out film franchise. Neither one a Disney concept. Damn, now I wish Iger would sell the parks to OLC like some here have suggested. Whoever runs that outfit loves and understands Genuine Disney in a way Iger never will. Boy do I envy the guests who go to TDL. Visiting there someday - especially after this expansion - is now on my bucket list.

 

[Disneylover152]

And what do we Yanks get here in the States?

Pixar Pier!