Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion

[Agent H]

Oops! I forgot this one. The Swissapolka made me think of Swiss Family Robinson, haha.

Man I really hope we get more fully/mostly original attractions. It’s so much cooler to discover an original word and original characters. I can stream and watch Disney movies online at any time. Why would I pay to only experience those movies over and over?

Not that it wouldn’t be cool to have more original attractions (I’m a big s.e.a fan) but I think the thing is most people don’t see it that way. They see it as i get to meet my favorite character and go on a adventure with them.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Not that it wouldn’t be cool to have more original attractions (I’m a big s.e.a fan) but I think the thing is most people don’t see it that way. They see it as i get to meet my favorite character and go on an adventure with them.

That’s fair! I do think there’s a place for IP attractions, but I like a mix. It seems like the trend is to replace non-IP with IP though, until it’s all IP.

 

[Timothy_Q]

I’m not sure if Space Mountain would still count as a clone, perhaps if the attraction is different enough it wouldn’t count?

Their old Space Mountain was a clone of Disneyland's

Space Mountain Earthrise is a unique attraction, otherwise they wouldn't have demo'd the old one

 

[Robbiem]

Magic Lamp Theater is a classic and fun, but I agree its dated and should go. They can even expand the space, I believe theres some backstage space next to the show

This area would be perfect for an Aladdin magic carpet dark ride, maybe use the kulka arm on a track or the overhead peter pan style ride system

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

This area would be perfect for an Aladdin magic carpet dark ride, maybe use the kulka arm on a track or the overhead peter pan style ride system

It's pretty incredible how there isn't an Aladdin dark ride at any Disney park yet. A spinner is such a waste of the IP.

 

[SweetDuffy101]

It's pretty incredible how there isn't an Aladdin dark ride at any Disney park yet. A spinner is such a waste of the IP.

TBF is its one of the more thrilling rides in Disneysea

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Their old Space Mountain was a clone of Disneyland's

Space Mountain Earthrise is a unique attraction, otherwise they wouldn't have demo'd the old one

Yeah, I just didn’t know where we draw the “clone” line. Like, how much has to be different before it stops being a clone and starts being unique.

Tokyo’s Tiki Room and Jungle Cruise are unique to any other version, but many would also consider them clones. Paris’s Big Thunder and Space Mountain are also unique to the others but just considered “other versions”.

If a clone has to be 1:1 to be considered a clone, then very few attractions are truly clones. But if they can have differences but still have the same name, are they unique?

 

[PiratesMansion]

Yeah, I just didn’t know where we draw the “clone” line. Like, how much has to be different before it stops being a clone and starts being unique.

Tokyo’s Tiki Room and Jungle Cruise are unique to any other version, but many would also consider them clones. Paris’s Big Thunder and Space Mountain are also unique to the others but just considered “other versions”.

If a clone has to be 1:1 to be considered a clone, then very few attractions are truly clones. But if they can have differences but still have the same name, are they unique?

To me, if the basic essence of the attraction/layout/experience is the same, to me it's a clone. Jungle Cruise functionally is the same as WDW's in terms of layout/experience/etc, other than the fact that it's mirrored and they did some enhancements in the temple and a few others places. To me, that's not different enough to be regarded as dramatically different from what WDW has.

Paris' Big Thunder, by contrast, is different enough to me to be seen as a distinct version of the ride.

 

[BrianLo]

If a clone has to be 1:1 to be considered a clone, then very few attractions are truly clones. But if they can have differences but still have the same name, are they unique?

There’s clones and then there are conceptual clones and finally there are alternative entrees.

HKDL and DLR have Space Mountain clones.

WDW has a conceptual clone. I’d say layman have to recognize they are different. Even though Space Mountain at WDW and Disneyland are incredibly different if you ride them back to back, layman wouldn’t be able to recognize that commonly unless they know one of the attractions quite well.

But no one gets confused about Tron and Space Mountain: Mission 2 being different attractions. Which are alternative entrees.

I’m fine with two or three. I dislike one greatly. None of the parks are uniform and shouldn’t be treated as such.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

My response to OLC if they do this to Adventureland/Westernland.

 

[lazyboy97o]

There’s clones and then there are conceptual clones and finally there are alternative entrees.

The term that seems to have been adopted for almost identical because “clone” got too loosely-goosey is “lift”, as though you are lifting an experience from one place and putting it in another. For example, Super Nintendo World at Universal Studios Hollywood might be described as a clone and for Epic Universe as a lift.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Why do people always bring up a random WDW attraction they hate or want to get rid of in threads like these ?

It was only a matter of time before we got to the airing of personal grievances.

 

[dennis-in-ct]

Why do people always bring up a random WDW attraction they hate or want to get rid of in threads like these ?

It’s not random. It’s related.
Often what happens at other parks is an indicator of plans/clones for other Disney parks.
Moana is rumored for MK. The tiki room at MK has been rumored for years to be removed.
Seeing how Tokyo’s Adventureland is being reworked absolutely relates to potential thought process or plans for other parks.

 

[dennis-in-ct]

It was only a matter of time before we got to the airing of personal grievances.

Nothing personal - just a reality of the acknowledgment of space available and what can be done with the space. Seeing what happens in other parks relates to potential decisions for MK. How to fit Moana into the existing adventure land in Magic Kingdom has been discussed.

If the magic Kingdom rivers can be redeveloped, then a rework of Adventureland could also be a reality. Considering this, I would not mind if the tree (or Jungle Cruise) went away for a similar redevelopment.

Imagine a redevelopment in MK Adventureland that would effectively use the expansion area behind Pirates that would not just be a narrow path to and from that area.

 

[eddie104]

It’s not random. It’s related.
Often what happens at other parks is an indicator of plans/clones for other Disney parks.
Moana is rumored for MK. The tiki room at MK has been rumored for years to be removed.
Seeing how Tokyo’s Adventureland is being reworked absolutely relates to potential thought process or plans for other parks.

This is the Tokyo thread and the parks there are not even owned by Disney but the OLC.

So it’s not related at all and just a personal wish list.

Our ROA is going away but that’s it we have no indication of anything else getting removed in the MK.

Moana would be great as an expansion to Adventureland. It was close to being approved but didn’t have a budget.

 

[PiratesMansion]

This is the Tokyo thread and the parks there are not even owned by Disney but the OLC.

So it’s not related at all and just a personal wish list.

Our ROA is going away but that’s it we have no indication of anything else getting removed in the MK.

Moana would be great as an expansion to Adventureland. It was close to being approved but didn’t have a budget.

While the Tokyo parks aren't owned or run by Disney, all of the parks still use WDI and the OLC consults with other people within the Disney company, and so it doesn't really make sense to say that what is happening in Tokyo couldn't possibly have any bearing on the other parks or vice versa.

The plan to remove the ROA and replace it with a Cars attraction was originally pitched to OLC for Tokyo Disneyland, only to come to fruition at...Magic Kingdom. So what happens at complex A could very well have an impact on what happens at complex B, regardless of who is or is not in charge.

 

[Timothy_Q]

It's pretty incredible how there isn't an Aladdin dark ride at any Disney park yet.

It's interesting that Aladdin is the last of the big 4 without a dark ride

2011 DCA got Little Mermaid
2020 TDL got Beauty and the Beast
2029(?) WDS is getting Lion King

I feel it's only a matter of time until TDS gets an Aladdin ride beyond the spinner

 

[eddie104]

While the Tokyo parks aren't owned or run by Disney, all of the parks still use WDI and the OLC consults with other people within the Disney company, and so it doesn't really make sense to say that what is happening in Tokyo couldn't possibly have any bearing on the other parks or vice versa.

The plan to remove the ROA and replace it with a Cars attraction was originally pitched to OLC for Tokyo Disneyland, only to come to fruition at...Magic Kingdom. So what happens at complex A could very well have an impact on what happens at complex B, regardless of who is or is not in charge.

True.

However how popular are the classics at TDL versus the stateside parks ???

Nobody has been able to answer that question yet on this thread.

Disney is clearly looking to maximize underutilized areas at WDW so we have ROA on the chopping block. Also Encanto and Indy replacing the Dinos at AK.

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

It's interesting that Aladdin is the last of the big 4 without a dark ride

2011 DCA got Little Mermaid
2020 TDL got Beauty and the Beast
2029(?) WDS is getting Lion King

I feel it's only a matter of time until TDS gets an Aladdin ride beyond the spinner

Aladdin and Little Mermaid dark rides at TDS would be a no-brainer for OLC. There might even be a chance TDR eventually has all 4 with Lion King being one of the replacement IPs people have suggested for Splash Mountain.

 

[BrianLo]

This strikes me as a little more reverse looking than forward.

While Moana was on the table for Magic Kingdom, it also was on the table for DAK. Magic Kingdom seems much more unlikely based on their current build out needs. As well fitting Coco and Moana generally are, you can see a weak justification for them to go to all four WDW parks, which is pretty rare.

If it is again on the table for MK, then the WDW expansion plans are way more aggressive than people are figuring and/OR the company is completely detached from where investments need to go.

I see the parks diverging more these days than collectively heading towards a unified endpoint. Moana might be an exception in the Frozen sense. But Jungle Cruise is a major revenue driver at WDW, so I can’t see medium term proposals for MK overlapping at all. I’m not saying that from a wishful thinking of desire to prop up Jungle Cruise, it just simply is a major player for the LLMP product.

A lot of times things just happen because the timing bore out to make it so. Being fixated on beyond big thunder made Adventureland low priority.