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To all the complainers about Epcot....

RaoulXpres

New Member
Original Poster
I've seen so many posts complaining about how they are ruining Epcot with TT, M:S, and the Mickey Hand on SSE. Then, I see all these posts about how people want a Nemo upgrade to TLS...???

Does this not seem contradictory to anyone else but me?

What I was wondering, What are peoples views on both these topics, becausee maybe I'm getting posts mixed up...

So:

1) Do you think TT, M:S and the Mickey hand ruins Epcot's image?

and

2) Are you for or against a Nemo additioin to The Living Seas.

I'm anxious to see how people feel about these two topics in teh same post ;-)
 

Testtrack321

Well-Known Member
1.) Yes and no. TT and M:S are great, but M:S isn't great compared to Horizons, and the Mickey Hand was good for 2000, not forever.

2.) Depends on the application of it.
 

HennieBogan1966

Account Suspended
Well, I haven't really read any posts regarding Epcot, but I happen to like it the way it is. I'm one of those who feels that
SSE just needs refurbishment, not banishment to some "thrill ride".

I'm also a big fan of TLS, but could see an addition of a Nemo theme being a good thing. It would just be a nice tie-in with the movie, which, remember, did very well at the box office. I couldn't blame Disney at all for trying to capitalize on some marketing with that.

As for Mission Space, we haven't been there since it opened, but hoping to visit in Jan. 04. But from all of the reviews that I have read, it's extremely popular.

Let's remember that there will always be debate about what's best for this park, but it was intended to be a forever-changing park, to move with the times in which we live. So, I don't expect anything that's currently there, to remain there forever. Progress, although sometimes a bitter pill to swallow, is a fact of life that we all must deal with.
 

murphy

New Member
I love Epcot and think it is a beautiful park!! The hand was fine for the millinium!! Test track would be fine if it did not break down so much! Mission space is a futurist ride! That is what some of epcot is about! I agree with sse getting an update but it is a classic and I would keep it verses the thrill ride!!People need to appreciate the park for what it is, how much thought and tecnology went into it! World showcase is like no other park anywhere and I love every part of it!! If we would look at it in this way and appreciate it for what it is and what went into it we would not complain but Truely APPRECIATE!!
 

General Grizz

New Member
Wand REALLY does need to go. Nemo will really bring in the crowds, but I truly hope the factual science feel of the pavilion will remain - along with that classic "flavor." :)
 

BwanaBob

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by grizzlyhall
Wand REALLY does need to go. Nemo will really bring in the crowds, but I truly hope the factual science feel of the pavilion will remain - along with that classic "flavor." :)

DITTO!

Sea-cabs seemed a little "bland", especially since they didn't go very far!
 

HennieBogan1966

Account Suspended
Let's all remember thought, that this park was to be a living, breathing park, ever changing to meet/showcase the technology of the day. Some of what you see today, will go with time, but be replaced with even better, more technogically advanced attractions.

I just wish everyone felt the same way about things being left untouched at TMK, as they do at EPCOT.
 

BG Rugger

New Member
1) Ive already made my feelings about the wand known, so I'll leave that alone.

2) Personally, I think both TT and M:S are awesome. M:S blew me away.

3) I am TOTALLY against Nemo taking over the Living Seas. You go in and are confronteed with this high profile presentation on how the Earth is formed then proceed into a sea base that looks like something straight out of Jules Verne...then you're confronted with a talking clown fish??? Sorry, doesn't work.
 

prberk

Well-Known Member
The hand was good for the millennium only. Needs to go.

I agree with Grizzly Hall on the Nemo thing. Could be a nice enhancement, but only that. Need to retain the science feel.

M:S is fun (a "blast," so to speak!), but not enough to do in the pavilion outside of the centrifuge. Same with Test Track. Both pavilions had the potential to retain the major thrill while providing more entertaining and informative hands-on learning devices in the area before and afer the ride.

The park as a whole needs to still have relevance to its name, and this can be accomplished better with a TV show regularly broadcast there that would feature innovation and discovery... no matter on what channel.
 

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by prberk
The park as a whole needs to still have relevance to its name, and this can be accomplished better with a TV show regularly broadcast there that would feature innovation and discovery... no matter on what channel.

The current name Epcot is just that, a name.

E.P.C.O.T. (Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow) was changed a few years back to reflect the parks current lack of a mission.
 

General Grizz

New Member
Originally posted by prberk
Both pavilions had the potential to retain the major thrill while providing more entertaining and informative hands-on learning devices in the area before and afer the ride.

The park as a whole needs to still have relevance to its name. . .

Why do I always have the same responses to each one of your posts?

Oh well, I've done it before, and I'll do it again!

AGREED! :p
 

no2apprentice

Well-Known Member
The hand will go when SE becomes Time Racers.

It looks like (for now) the plan is to put more "thrill" attractions into Epcot, for better or for worse. If they can maintain the proper theme, that would be great. But based on the interviews I've seen, it looks like the concern is that Epcot needs to be revitalized, and "thrill" is the answer.
 

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
I don't mind Mission Space, or Test Track. They are both great rides. They give us the thrill and they entertain those who are looking for the extra thrill in their lives. I think that Mission Space and Test Track didn't have to be the sole rides in their area. The World of Motion gave us a view of the past, present, and future of transportation. You could still have kept the ride, maybe change where it goes inside the pavilion, but atleast keep the ride, and change the ending to keep the needs of today. It was educational, but fun, and a calm ride. The World of Motion Pavilion could have served many of those needs, for people wanting a thrill ride, and mild attraction or both in one pavilion. I thought the chrome finishing on the pavilion was pretty funky, but that orange and blue paint, yikes, I would have just given it a new color scheme that would appeal to today's eye, rather than gutting out everything, only keeping the original shape of the World of Motion Pavilion like they did for Test Track.

Horzions had it's ups and downs. What I felt was "wrong" with Horizons was the way the 80s looked at the future. The hairstyles of the future, the clothes, and color scheme were pretty decade impaired to a late 90s viewing crowd. Well they don't have to gut the whole place, they repaint, and give a face lift to the sets and animatronics that wouldn't cause such a stir, and wouldn't demolish everything. So now the ride will be destroyed, well what I would do is salvage some of the sets and string them together in walk through portion of the pavilion, showing the history of the ride, it's life, and legacy. It would be fun to walk through at your own pase, and fun for people of all ages to stand and wath the movement of the animatronics, maybe even make it interactive.

I would have saved the front portion of the Horzions pavilion. The part from the walkway that the eye can see. The back would be destroyed. I would then refit the remaining Horizons pavilion with the new extension of the pavilion. The Horzions Pavilion would go through a new color scheme, while still retaining the familiar elements of the pavilion. It would be the Horizons Pavilion with Mission in to Space would be the name of the current ride Mission:Space, and Beyond the New Horzions with remaing walk through sets and museum of the original ride.

I think that all could have been a success. I know EPCOT needs to change, but they have to remember the original intentions of EPCOT, and how to upgrade those rides without butchering what they orignally looked like. I don't want Nemo in with the Living Seas. It's rediculous to even put disney characters into rides and attractions at EPCOT that speak of culture and understanding of your surroundings.

As far as SSE goes: Hey, we can be assured that 100 years from now the geosphere will still be there, but what about the ride. Space Ship Earth has gone through minimal changes compared to other rides. I will only say the addition of the news sets a few years ago made a difference to the outcome of the ride. SSE screams 1980s EPCOT Center, and it rightfully should. It's lilke an interactive time capsule. The ride needs a face lift, but doesn't need to be drastic with cranes and guys with hammers blowing out everything. And yes the wand needs to go off of SSE and into the lagoon because it destroys the look of that famous structure, and it doesn't need to tell people what park they are in every 5 minutes.
 

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Expo_Seeker40

I think that all could have been a success. I know EPCOT needs to change, but they have to remember the original intentions of EPCOT, and how to upgrade those rides without butchering what they orignally looked like. I don't want Nemo in with the Living Seas. It's rediculous to even put disney characters into rides and attractions at EPCOT that speak of culture and understanding of your surroundings.


GUEST SURVEY SAYS - Add more characters to Epcot. Indeed this has been a general complaint of the surveys taken at the park for the last several years. It also means that since Disney is a company who feels the need to give its customers exactly what they want, you will see more and more characters added to Epcot to give it more of the Disney Park Feel.

Indeed, based on what I hear almost daily, many of todays average guests don't even realize that the Parks other than the Magic Kingdom are owned by Disney. THere isnt a day that goes by where don't I hear someone say " We went to Disney today, tomorrow we will be going to that park called Epcot". Clearly there is a lack of association here with the Disney Company.

The average guests doesn't have a clue about the Disney heritage. To them, the complex is jsut another Vacation Destination where they can spend their money and go back home and brag about how much they spent to the next door neighbors and coworkers. Of course it isn't their fault, a lot of this country's heritage is getting lost in the "me first society" in which we live now.
 

BeachClubVillas

Well-Known Member
I think that Test Track and Mission Space are great rides. Test Track is one of my favorite rides in Disney. I haven't been down there since Mission Space opened, but I'm sure I'll love it. My only complaint is that they had to remove Horizons. I wish they could have either put Mission Space somewhere else or moved Horizons somewhere else. As for the hand, it was great for the millenium celebration, but now it just looks like no one wants to go up there and take it down.

BUT if they EVER replace Spaceship Earth with some stupid thrill ride of ANY KIND I will NEVER forgive them and will put all the blame on Eisner and his stupid greed. Spaceship Earth is the most ridden ride in all of Disney World. It has such a high capacity that no one can really tell though. It is a classic and simply cannot be touched. If they want to change the post-show, go ahead and gut it, it's stupid. Most people walk right by it anyway.

I think Nemo would be cute in Living Seas, as long as they kept it educational, kind of like the Lion King in The Land pavillion. I've only been in the Living Seas once since they took out the ride, and found it horribly boring.
 

Empress Room

Active Member
My two cents on Epcot...

Originally posted by HennieBogan1966
I just wish everyone felt the same way about things being left untouched at TMK, as they do at EPCOT.

Every Disney theme park, whether Epcot or otherwise, must change. Like it or not, each park's attractions must be reviewed for attendance and popularity and surveyed for parkgoers' preferences. It's happened at MK (20,000 Leagues, Skyway, Dreamflight, Mr. Toad, Mission to Mars, Alien Encounter), MGM (Superstar Television, Monster Soundstage), Epcot (Horizons, Imagination, Energy) and will undoubtedly happen at Animal Kingdom.

I was a huge fan of Horizons and the original Imagination; however, I fully understand that change is good for several reasons: 1) the parks must be kept fresh so parkgoers will have a reason to return; 2) the parks must be updated with the newest technology and to avoid looking "dated" (think of Tomorrowland before the redo); 3) the parks must remain competitive with the other area theme parks and learn to appeal to a new generation (Universal, good or bad, is newer and more "cutting edge" when it comes to thrills, although it lacks the attention to detail and creativity of Disney's parks).

The real challenge, I believe, is how Disney's imagineers balance all of the above factors with maintaining the same theme and feel to the parks. Hey, I was a fan of the original 1980s version of Epcot but it was getting tired in appearance. I am personally excited with the changes, redos and refurbishments, and have an open mind to the upcoming changes. Thoughts?
 

imagineersrock

New Member
1.) hand/wand... needs to go. it was a neat little addition for the millenium, and nothing more, its time is up, it needs to go.

2.) test track is no doubt a phenominal ride -HOWEVER- and yes folks, this is a big however.. it has ZERO relavence to the rest of the park. ive said it before; i'll say it once more; look at the park, we've got everything that is the fun/creative/etc at the imagination pavillion, we've got everything that is the land [at the land pavillion] we have everything that is the seas [the living seas pavillion] everything that is communication, energy, the human body, space exploration, you get the idea..... and finally, there's an entire pavillion that shows us how general motors test's their automobiles. SOMEONE tell me how on earth that ties in with the rest of the park!? -once again i LOVE test track, but hate it in this sense. IMO WOM served the correct purpose; an entire pavillion about everything that is transportation... that theme is now lost.:(

3.) im very close to, but unfortunantly am myself yet to see the completed M:S in person... however from ALL ive seen and heard online, etc, it seems this has proven to be an incredible experience and IMO serves a great purpose; taking you from past all the way into future space travel; a great theme for a pavillion. if anything, i think this pavillion is a step in the RIGHT direction for epcot.
 

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