Tipping

BuddyThomas

BuddyThomas

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TalkToEthan said:
What an asinine policy. Restaurants should use exceptions or have safeguards in place so that can not happen.

"Industry standard" doesn't change the fact it should never happen.
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That was in the very early days of Planet Hollywood. I would be surprised if they haven’t changed their policy to service charge being included by now. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to maintain a wait staff. I only stayed there a couple of months because it was so awful. Other fun facts from those days: Bruce Willis would tip $100 every time he came in, even if he only ordered a beer. On the other hand, Sylvester Stallone was there all the time, usually with an entourage, and his checks were gigantic. He never once tipped a penny. Rude.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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BuddyThomas said:
Absolutely correct. I will never forget the time I was waiting tables on a lunch shift at the Planet Hollywood in Times Square, where foreign tourists were notorious for not tipping. Regardless of how much the waiters made in tips, they were told by computer print out at the end of the shift how much they had to tip out to the bartender, food runner, and bus boy. On this particular shift, I was stiffed by so many tourists that after I tipped out the support staff, not only did I not make a single dime for that shift, I also had to pay out of my own pocket to tip out the support staff. Therefore, I literally PAID to go to work that day.
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This was illegal. Employees must make the non-tipped minimum wage. If tips + tipped wage < non-toiled wage then the employer is responsible for ensuring the employee receives at least the non-tipped wage.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Tony the Tigger said:
They are entitled; hence the automatic tips added in under certain circumstances.

That you think 15-20% is a lot and expect them to dance for it says more about you.
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I must admit that I am quite confused. In other threads you seem to complain that to many people today expect too much for not enough work. Why is a server different? Why is $X too much for other unskilled (for lack of a better word) jobs but not for a server?
 
BuddyThomas

BuddyThomas

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lazyboy97o said:
I must admit that I am quite confused. In other threads you seem to complain that to many people today expect too much for not enough work. Why is a server different? Why is $X too much for other unskilled (for lack of a better word) jobs but not for a server?
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Who has said that a server is expecting too much for not enough work? Also, I want someone to tell me where all these awful waiters are working because I eat out at restaurants every night of the week and I can’t even remember the last time that I had service so bad that I considered not tipping. Not tipping is actually not even in my vocabulary but I honestly can’t even recall any instances of bad service recently or in the past.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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RoadiJeff said:
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Yes, obviously. You already said that you willingly reward servers a large sum, regardless of whether that service was good or bad. PT Barnum had people like you in mind when he uttered his famous quote about there being one born every minute. And I am not an alcoholic, so I do not partake in your type of drinking.

The service is NOT performed if the server does not perform all of their service. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to understand? I can see when someone is overloaded but trying to do their job vs simply not caring about anything. I've even given a higher than 20% tip when there was only one server in a restaurant and she was working her tail off trying to keep up.

And I bet you that a lazy, rude or otherwise substandard server knows why they do not make the same amount in tips that one of their hard-working co-workers does. There is only once when I reported a server to the manager and I only did that when I went up to the register to pay my bill and the person (not my server) asked if everything was okay. I briefly mention my experience and she summoned the manager.

Don't try to impress with your attitude of giving the same no matter if they're screwing you over or not. That is just nonsense. If a server wants a decent wage they need to earn it by doing their job. Restaurants should do away withe the tipping thing here in the US and pay people a decent wage where this tipping thing is figured into the bill, the way it is in Europe.
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When I feel a situation is hopeless on this board or otherwise not enjoyable, I add someone to my ignore list. I should not have to endure this experience on a fun chat site.

Maybe this is like how you feel about your servers.

I barely skimmed this screed (asked you not to do that) after the first line because…what’s the point? I’m not interested.

Attacking Buddy and my intelligence falls flat; we both know we’re bright. It’s a cheap shot. (I’m beginning to see a trend.)

I’ll give you a little bit of time to catch up, and you’re blocked. Have a magical day.
BuddyThomas said:
Who has said that a server is expecting too much for not enough work? Also, I want someone to tell me where all these awful waiters are working because I eat out at restaurants every night of the week and I can’t even remember the last time that I had service so bad that I considered not tipping. Not tipping is actually not even in my vocabulary but I honestly can’t even recall any instances of bad service recently or in the past.
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I’d guess you’re not monitoring your server like a hawk to see if they bring drinks to someone else before you. Priorities. Perspective. You know, normal people stuff.
 
Club Cooloholic

Club Cooloholic

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Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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lazyboy97o said:
I must admit that I am quite confused. In other threads you seem to complain that to many people today expect too much for not enough work. Why is a server different? Why is $X too much for other unskilled (for lack of a better word) jobs but not for a server?
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I re-read this a few times to make sure I get your point.

It’s a given that servers are entitled to tips. As you pointed out, they are literally entitled because if wages + tips don’t equal the general minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference.

So depending on where you live, that’s around $10-$15 per hour.

Most experienced and good servers and bartenders blow past that unless the business is slow.

When I was a bartender, I started out on slow shifts and might walk with $40 or less a day. You pay your dues, you do well, you build your shifts, you get moved to busier ones. The slower ones are where you learn! After a couple of years, I averaged $40-$60 per hour. Those folks working busy night shifts made $500-$800 per night. (I actually started as a bar back, and would still make $300 on a Saturday night getting tipped out by those bartenders.

We all choose our paths. I’ve worked retail for $5 an hour and bartended for $60. You have to start somewhere; people today don’t want to do that. They want a shortcut.

When I was hired at any job, I entered into an agreement for a certain salary. As long as that was honored, I couldn’t complain. Oh, everyone thinks they’re underpaid; but it was fair because that is what I agreed to.

I mentioned the jump in bartending pay. In retail I went from $5 per hour to maybe $15 in a few years by doing well and getting promoted. And on from there.

Nothing gets handed to you in life; you work for it. And nobody owes you anything but what you agreed to.

You might want to re-read my posts in the other thread. My problem is the min wage skyrocketing too fast on the backs of current businesses while previous ones “got away with it,” while simultaneously, people have developed a sense of entitlement and the work ethic has declined.
 
RoadiJeff

RoadiJeff

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BuddyThomas said:
He’s an alcoholic because he typed the word “cocktail”? 🙄
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I was equating that remark with what you two are trying to make me out as someone who never tips, based on a comment I made when I said twice in my lifetime I did not leave a tip due to exceptionally bad service. You took the bait hook, line and sinker. :)
 
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TalkToEthan

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3. They don’t laugh at the jokes you make​

Ya years ago I tried that and failed with a server named Stacy working tables at an Italian joint in the mall called Perry's: "So, are ya working hard or hardly working?"

Then I went on to order telling her "how about a meatball sandwich, medium coke and your phone number"

I didn't get the date
 
RoadiJeff

RoadiJeff

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lazyboy97o said:
I must admit that I am quite confused. In other threads you seem to complain that to many people today expect too much for not enough work. Why is a server different? Why is $X too much for other unskilled (for lack of a better word) jobs but not for a server?
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His reply to your question only reinforces that he has one standard for servers (apparently, whatever they feel like doing or not) and another for everyone else. Case in point below.

Tony the Tigger said:
Nothing gets handed to you in life; you work for it. And nobody owes you anything but what you agreed to.

You might want to re-read my posts in the other thread. My problem is the min wage skyrocketing too fast on the backs of current businesses while previous ones “got away with it,” while simultaneously, people have developed a sense of entitlement and the work ethic has declined.
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BuddyThomas

BuddyThomas

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RoadiJeff said:
His reply to your question only reinforces that he has one standard for servers (apparently, whatever they feel like doing or not) and another for everyone else. Case in point below.
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Why do you care? You're the one bragging about not tipping properly on a message board. Maybe care about that instead.
 
FutureCEO

FutureCEO

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Why should I tip someone for doing there job? I mean seriously. I understand restaurants but the others are crazy.

Min Wage for a tipped employee in Florida is actually a surprising $8.
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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BuddyThomas said:
Absolutely correct. I will never forget the time I was waiting tables on a lunch shift at the Planet Hollywood in Times Square, where foreign tourists were notorious for not tipping. Regardless of how much the waiters made in tips, they were told by computer print out at the end of the shift how much they had to tip out to the bartender, food runner, and bus boy. On this particular shift, I was stiffed by so many tourists that after I tipped out the support staff, not only did I not make a single dime for that shift, I also had to pay out of my own pocket to tip out the support staff. Therefore, I literally PAID to go to work that day.
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Unfortunately, many foreigners simply don’t know the American custom. It’s so out of keeping with how things are done in other parts of the world.
 
BuddyThomas

BuddyThomas

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LittleBuford said:
Unfortunately, many foreigners simply don’t know the American custom. It’s so out of keeping with how things are done in other parts of the world.
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Thankfully I no longer have to worry about this because my BA and MFA in theatre finally decided to stop being useless pieces of paper in the late 90’s, and finally led me to a career where I no longer have to rely on the kindness of strangers. But I waited on tables at Denny’s during late high school and college years, and I’ve also worked at TGI Friday, Planet Hollywood, Dallas BBQ, and a few others. It is an extremely difficult job that gets very little respect, as is evidenced by this and other tipping threads.
 
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celluloid

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FutureCEO said:
Why should I tip someone for doing there job? I mean seriously. I understand restaurants but the others are crazy.

Min Wage for a tipped employee in Florida is actually a surprising $8.
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A server with decent people skills at WDW makes bank compared to many. You get the minimum 8. And even if you are a buffet server for drinks and taking care of bussing/guest service. You are going to do well with multiple tables throwing you dollars for tips an hour. More than many do. FL's minimum tipped position is higher than most states minimum wage. Its not unhealthy by any means.

I served at Steak and Shake. Talk about a place where people did not want to tip, I still did fine and I am socially awkward.

To the poster with the Planet Hollywood Story, that is tip pooling and that would be illegal if they took money out of your hourly pay to cover the tip pooling divided. That is an interesting situation.
 

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