Too Many Hats
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LMAO. I watched a POV and one of my first thoughts was "Well, this can certainly wait until my December visit."
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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LMAO. I watched a POV and one of my first thoughts was "Well, this can certainly wait until my December visit."
Too Many Hats
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I love how the writing is completely devoid of wit.
"Look out bayou, here we come!"
"Come out, come out, wherever you are!"
"Been there, done that!"
"Look out bayou, here we come!"
"Come out, come out, wherever you are!"
"Been there, done that!"
duncedoof
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So much better than what Florida got. It's actually embarrassing how they clearly designed this for California and made no sensible accommodations for Magic Kingdom's mountain.
This feeds into my perspective that there's a lot of compartmentalization in Imagineering today. They developed a ride idea, and the people in charge of pushing the greenlight have no one to interface with directly and talk to, to know and understand that it needs to be forked for different parks. To them, all the darn parks are the same, who cares?
I still wish the setup for the ride was very different. Core thematic issues remain there. But still.
This feeds into my perspective that there's a lot of compartmentalization in Imagineering today. They developed a ride idea, and the people in charge of pushing the greenlight have no one to interface with directly and talk to, to know and understand that it needs to be forked for different parks. To them, all the darn parks are the same, who cares?
I still wish the setup for the ride was very different. Core thematic issues remain there. But still.
SuddenStorm
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Not that it matters now, but I always thought a lighting overhaul and would make the laughing place scene 10x better. Stronger blacklights, more focused modern LED lighting, some fog would have done wonders and really taken it up a notch.
JSouth25
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The decrease in animatronics is definitely my biggest issue with the ride. Those animatronics filled out the scenes and made them feel alive, I loved always having something to look at on Splash.
Also, almost all of those animatronics were from America Sings and didn’t have anything to do with Song of the South, getting rid of all of the ones that weren’t Brer Fox, Brer Bear and Brer Rabbit doesn’t make sense.
Too Many Hats
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I still just can't wrap my head around how amateurish this attraction is (on both coasts). At every turn, WDI made lazy choices and then implemented them carelessly.
I've been critical of some recent WDI projects for being antiseptic and lacking stakes, but at the very least almost all those attractions have been competent. TBA is a mess. How did this happen? Insufficient budget? Misguided creative mandates? Inadequate timeline? Did they not realize there was a lot riding on this? How on earth is this the same organization that produced Rise of the Resistance, Fantasy Springs, the Adventureland Treehouse, etc.? TBA indicates a serious quality control problem at WDI. I beg them to reconsider whatever processes led to TBA being approved, and to please reconsider trusting this creative team with anything ever again.
I've been critical of some recent WDI projects for being antiseptic and lacking stakes, but at the very least almost all those attractions have been competent. TBA is a mess. How did this happen? Insufficient budget? Misguided creative mandates? Inadequate timeline? Did they not realize there was a lot riding on this? How on earth is this the same organization that produced Rise of the Resistance, Fantasy Springs, the Adventureland Treehouse, etc.? TBA indicates a serious quality control problem at WDI. I beg them to reconsider whatever processes led to TBA being approved, and to please reconsider trusting this creative team with anything ever again.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
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All of the above. Plus their motto for this attraction: Don't Even Imagineer! There were so many places where the imagineering standards were completely sacrificed. It's almost baffling how bad it is, but it all comes down to that motto.
ParkPeeker
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Disneyland’s is the version this ride was made for full stop.
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Our layout and space makes the ride feel more populated and connected. Let’s take the first few indoor scenes as an example.
WDW does this, with all the figures on one side:
DL on the other hand does this:
Now you tell me which feels like a better ride.
At DL, once you get close to tiana, you have a panoramic view of the previous scenes. It seems as if Louis and Tiana are truly surrounding the band and looking at each other, feels connected.
At WDW you get close to Tiana and get a panoramic view of, Tiana and tons of foliage. The figures feel like they’re all just looking at you. Feels disjointed.
Disneyland’s feels more purposeful to me.
This is the only point I agree with, our banner looks awkward.
I disagree, our smaller space and layout and faster speed makes it actually feel populated. Did we lose more AAs, yes. But in the end comparing both Tiana rides, let’s be real, we know which one feels emptier.
I disagree, the only example you have is the frog scene, the rest of it looks pretty up to par with WDW level of detail
Speaking of the frog scene, I do love that our version has a rest from the dense bayou foliage. That open sky is a nice change. A change of scenery is always nice to keep the ride from feeling too monotone, I’m sure some have expressed this idea before
.Our layout and space makes the ride feel more populated and connected. Let’s take the first few indoor scenes as an example.
WDW does this, with all the figures on one side:
DL on the other hand does this:
Now you tell me which feels like a better ride.
At DL, once you get close to tiana, you have a panoramic view of the previous scenes. It seems as if Louis and Tiana are truly surrounding the band and looking at each other, feels connected.
At WDW you get close to Tiana and get a panoramic view of, Tiana and tons of foliage. The figures feel like they’re all just looking at you. Feels disjointed.
Disneyland’s feels more purposeful to me.
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Too Many Hats
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Do we really need Tiana/Louis exposition voice-over prior to Slippin' Falls? We've already heard from both characters at that point, and they've set up the premise very clearly. This is what I mean by "quality control." Why was even $1 spent on this voice-over.
Bayou
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100% agree with all points made. I think this forum needs to look at the bigger picture of this version of the attractionDisneyland’s is the version this ride was made for full stop.
This is the only point I agree with, our banner looks awkward.
I disagree, our smaller space and layout and faster speed makes it actually feel populated. Did we lose more AAs, yes. But in the end comparing both Tiana rides, let’s be real, we know which one feels emptier.
I disagree, the only example you have is the frog scene, the rest of it looks pretty up to par with WDW level of detail
Speaking of the frog scene, I do love that our version has a rest from the dense bayou foliage. That open sky is a nice change. A change of scenery is always nice to keep the ride from feeling too monotone, I’m sure some have expressed this idea before
Our layout and space makes the ride feel more populated and connected. Let’s take the first few indoor scenes as an example.
WDW does this, with all the figures on one side:
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DL on the other hand does this:
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Now you tell me which feels like a better ride.
At DL, once you get close to tiana, you have a panoramic view of the previous scenes. It seems as if Louis and Tiana are truly surrounding the band and looking at each other, feels connected.
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At WDW you get close to Tiana and get a panoramic view of, Tiana and tons of foliage. The figures feel like they’re all just looking at you. Feels disjointed.
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Disneyland’s feels more purposeful to me.
Too Many Hats
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Not sure I agree with what you're implying, actually. Yes, that was the MacGuffin that got this ball rolling. But TBA's failures come down to basic storytelling stuff -- telling instead of showing, lacking a narrative arc, etc. -- as well as themed entertainment mistakes that should be beneath WDI, like lazy music choices (why do we hear Almost There twice? why is Ray singing?), repetitive and exposition-heavy show writing (there's no shame in doing a second draft!), haphazard staging, bad pacing, disregard for existing infrastructure, story beats that are incongruent with the ride system, removing effects without replacing them, etc.
I liked the extra voice over. It helped to fill the space between the Louis audio and Mama Odie.
Too Many Hats
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To say something positive...
I might be in the minority here, but I actually think the How Do You Do section is okay. It's lively and joyous. Goofy, for sure, because of the asinine dialogue/story, but -- as predicted -- the flume is so fast-paced you don't really dwell on the shallowness of it all. The ride is in B-/C+ territory at that point.
I might be in the minority here, but I actually think the How Do You Do section is okay. It's lively and joyous. Goofy, for sure, because of the asinine dialogue/story, but -- as predicted -- the flume is so fast-paced you don't really dwell on the shallowness of it all. The ride is in B-/C+ territory at that point.
- The extended tunnel appears to effectively prevent a light bleed issue (like MK's version suffers from)
- I like rounding the corner and seeing Louis (as opposed to awkwardly, slowly approaching him, as in the MK version). A great reveal of a great AA!
- You speed past the critter band so quick, it hardly matters that each critter's movement is limited (unlike at MK, where you crawl past them)
- The staging of Louis (on your right), the critter band (on your left), and Tiana (on your right) works much better than what they did at MK. Everything is happening all around you, which makes it feel more alive.
- I like the reveal of rounding the corner and seeing the bear band behind Louis and Tiana
- I like that the bear band is now their own entity, and the fox is a solo artist
- Tiana sitting on Louis ("They sure can play! But we've gotta keep searching high and low") works better on this version too; that mini-drop will distract riders from the fact that a character is saying "they can play" for the 4th time
- Even Mama Odie's (screen) appearance here works better... you round a corner and approach it so fast, it barely registers that she's a screen
MoonRakerSCM
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They turned off the waterfall near the end-
Why?
Why?
SuddenStorm
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It's too bad they didn't preserve the snoring bear somewhere.
SuddenStorm
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It's okay to lie to your children.
"It's testing right now, we can't ride it until it opens for real"
And just keep telling him that every trip until he's 18 and moves out.
mickEblu
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What, you don’t like Mama Odie talking to us through the closed door?
Centauri Space Station
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Right, who wants to look at the AA figure with dialogue when you can rush by them after 4 words?
Centauri Space Station
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Tiana and Louis are talking to the riders not each other in the first scene. Louis says "Tiana was right.." not "You were right, Tiana." I can appreciate that they have stuff on both sides and not just one here. The second scene is like a jump cut with brief firefly section and suddenly Tiana and Louis are with a different band at DL. Its also pretty much the same staging as MK's. I think the Tiana with Louis searching in the log is the biggest plus DL's version has. It goes way too slow and you see Tiana far too long at MK's and it feels awkward.
The first few scenes probably serves DL's version best, while the laughing place works better at MKs and the finales about the same. I think the jumping fountain adds to MKs frog scene and i dont think DL has that at all. On negatives I think the outdoor area at the start looks too empty and untouched. Its a bayou but the red clay and door looks the same as when it was Splash.The extra dialogue isnt needed when Mama Odie says the critters are down here a few moments later. I really dont like the tunnel at the start of the indoor scenery, they could've put foliage or something to cover it.