BuzzedPotatoHead89
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This is what I’m hoping for too, actually. In part because I think a lot of the existing America Sings “bayou swamp critters” can be either saved or re-skinned.
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This is what I’m hoping for too, actually. In part because I think a lot of the existing America Sings “bayou swamp critters” can be either saved or re-skinned.
TP2000
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I had to Google The Devil and Max Devlin, and then it rang a very vague bell in the back of my memory. But in the spirit of obscure Disney movies from the Ron Miller era, I'm going to give it to you.
Captain EO, however, doesn't qualify as a "movie" I'm afraid. It was never released in theaters, is not available on Amazon in any format, and Disney has disowned it entirely because of Michael Jackson's unfortunate notoriety as a credibly accused child molester.
So that gets us to four Disney movies in the past 90 years that starred a Black person. And you can still count that on one hand. Tiana is safe and will get as much capital investment as Disney can muster in the next five years, even though the movie was only modestly successful at the box office and disappeared from pop culture rather quickly.
If anything, this situation may hasten the inclusion of non-Disney IP into Disneyland and the other Castle parks. Marvel has some Black characters to work with (besides Black Panther?), and in the vast 20th Century Fox stable they now own there must be others.
smooch
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I thought they were gonna use the Pooh area for a GE expansion or were at least planning it? I don't know the footprint of backstage areas too well but isn't that near the forest section of GE?
Stevek
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Very close and could easily work for expansion. I guess it’s probably a matter of if they want a cohesive section around PATF or more Star Wars.
smooch
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At this point I'm not even sure which I would prefer. I would love for a worthwhile expansion to be added to GE (Speeder Bike Coaster lol) in the forest area but I don't know what they can fit in the expansion footprint. I think GE desperately needs something added in that area, it looks so empty. All it has is the entrance to RotR which doesn't even need all that space because you can't just queue for it and have to have a boarding group so it doesn't need all that overflow space really.
socalifornian
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If/when they get rid of Pooh I suppose they could be more space efficient with a new dark ride next to Pooh Corner. Then GE would be able to squeeze out an acre, as if the land were tiny, and yeah even more if the RotR extended queue didn’t spread so far south
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Besides the majority of the Black Panther cast, there are Falcon and War Machine in the Avengers, Gamora in GOTG (if you want to count the green alien played by an actress who is a POC), Maria and Monica Rambeau in Captain Marvel, and Storm is a major character for X-Men, just to name a few off the top of my head.
And while I don't think they'll pull Marvel into DL again (though I really liked the Super Hero HQ they had in Tomorrowland), I'd be very happy with a separate Sword in the Stone-type moment with Heimdall and the Bifrost at DCA! ♥
socalifornian
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There’s a lot of heroes in Marvel and DC that have black versions of characters too. With how popular Miles Morales has become Spidey can be one. Doubt it irl
smooch
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I mean Spider-Verse was from Sony and I know the whole Sony Disney Spider-Man relationship is complicated but wouldn't Sony be able to argue that since they made Spider-Verse and the contract is like expired now or soon that Disney wouldn't be able to use Miles in their parks?
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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Totally agree! I also think the speeder bike coaster will add the necessary kinetic energy to this fairly dead space.
Assuming PaTF/Splash gets absorbed into a backwoods section of NOS I could easily see this making a nice transition to a forested Endor-eque Ewok-inspired area of SWGE.
socalifornian
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Marvel contracts are all over the place I have no idea. Sony seems to have movie, and video game rights. They doubled down on the latter now that Spiderman is PlayStation exclusive, wasn’t always like that. Universal has theme park rights in the east, gave up their west rights a while ago, but east has control over the west’s naming still? At the end of the day Disney owns the character but Miles also isn’t in the MCU. Peter Parker would make more sense
Disney Irish
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For all your reading pleasure, the Marvel/Uni contract:
I found the older one (2015ish?) for Marvel/Sony too but don't have the link handy at this point. But all interesting reading if you're into the whole Marvel contract(s) history.
smooch
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I've watched videos about the contracts and read articles but never the whole thing, I just tried reading through the theme park specific stuff and I think I kind of understand the situation. It sounds like other parks, with Marvel's approval, can use Marvel characters as long as those characters aren't being used by Universal in a major way? Unless I'm getting totally confused? See it confuses me because Universal has a major Spider-Man attraction, yet we are getting a new Spider-Man ride in the Avengers Campus expansion. Are they technically two different Spider-Man characters? Even though they're both Peter Parker? I feel like Miles would be a lot easier to manage since he is technically a new character and not another Peter Parker from one of the many Spider-Man series comics / cinematic universes. This is why I could never be a lawyer, there are so many moving parts in that contract I need to draw out some sort of flow chart or diagram or something to understand it all.
I know Miles isn't in the MCU and I'm pretty much expecting a Peter Parker walkaround character since there's a whole ride for him and the stuntamatronic they're building. I was just responding to the previous posts about how if Disney did want to add more Marvel characters played by POC that Miles technically could fit but I wasn't sure how the contract would work. Also are they even sticking to the MCU limitation for characters? I thought I heard somewhere that one of the shows or something would have a character from the comics that hasn't been in any Marvel movies, so would they technically be part of the MCU? I really really hope they don't limit things to just the MCU, it would be the same as the GE timeline lock, it is pointless and does nothing but limit what they can put in there. Wouldn't that mean they can't use Iron Man depending on if this takes place after End Game which I'm assuming it does since none of this couldn't fit before it, Spider-Man was just a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man who didn't have a whole campus of things for himself he was just given stuff from Stark until Infinity War where he gets dusted and then in End Game he comes back. After that in Far From Home he has the ship from Stark and he's making his own new suit, so it would have to fit after that.
Sorry that was a long tangent but yeah I'm really hoping they don't make the land canon like GE and just limit who they can put in there. I think Miles Morales would be a cool thing to see, since there is a Multi-Verse and Mysterio even mentions it in Far From Home (even though it was part of a made up story it still can be a tie between the two) and it would add diversity to the cast. Especially with the new PS4 game being made there's now a reference for how a realistic Miles' face would look if they wanted to do a maskless costume. Plus, even though I've only really read some of the different Spider-Man series' from Marvel, I think it would be cool if they had lesser known / more niche characters from time to time. I know that would be kinda expensive to make costumes for small use time of characters a lot of people wouldn't know but it would just feel like the rarer characters in the parks that only come out so often.
smooch
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If there is enough space I'd love for part of it to be visible to guests, the problem is idk if that would mean they'd have to redo that area like the walkways to make the ride vehicles visible from the paths. It would also mean they have to either 1.) add some sort of Ewok village style species to their "lore" of Batuu or 2.) remove the timeline restriction (and maybe do something like a Veil of the Force addition to explain different timelines in the same area) and just make it an actual Ewok village with Speeder Bikes running through them. I think it would be super cool, it could add kinetics and a physical thrill attraction (RotR looks amazing but it is more of a dark ride it seems with just things moving around you, not a "thrill" ride) and it would fill the dead space very well. Heck, if they did it right they could put some Ewok animatronics up in the trees on the walkways / outside their houses up in the trees which would be something to actually tie in the older movies. But it seems like Disney doesn't want to even touch the older movies and just want to push their new ones even though they have acknowledged they fumbled the trilogy, it's mind blowing to me. I really hope Disney swallows their pride and realize they could do so much more with the land by incorporating all the trilogies into the land.
Disney Irish
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Basically let me sum it up this way, without getting into the finer points:
Universal has an exclusive rights to the specific Marvel characters they are currently using and their "family", ONLY east of the Mississippi River (which basically means in the Orlando area). Doesn't cover anything west of the Mississippi, nor outside the US at this point. This is why Spider-Man can be used in DCA and DLP, but not in WDW. Universal also has exclusive rights to the Marvel name in all theme parks in the US. Which is why its call Avengers Campus, and not Marvel Land.
smooch
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Ohh okay that makes more sense, I wasn't sure how the east of the Mississippi thing held up since Disney was both east and west of it. That makes a lot of sense. Also thank goodness for the exclusive use of the Marvel name because I much prefer Avengers Campus to something generic like Marvel Land: Avengers Campus since that seems to be the naming scheme for Disney now.
socalifornian
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I’ve read the Universal one before, haven’t read anything with Sony
Disney Irish
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I'll have to see if I can find the Marvel/Sony one again.
truecoat
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If only for his Amityville Horror joke. The whole segment is NSFW so you'll have to look it up on youtube (Eddie Murphy haunted houses) if you want to see it. He could just be in the entryway saying....
Too bad we can't stay, baby.