Thoughts on a Skyliner between Transportation and Ticket Center, Magic Kingdom and Wilderness Lodge?

Mainahman

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skyliner gave us an alternative to EPCOT< and DHS, id like to see something happen for AK. I mean the value resorts are just about on top of it as much as they are DHS>
 

thomas998

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The walkway that is being constructed to connect the Grand Floridian will also effectively connect it to the TTC as you can walk to the Polynesian and then the TTC. It's not the most practical walkway but it is indeed a foot path to the TTC
I'm surprised they are doing that. Given it is over near the area where alligators are known to hangout. I know they've had trail going part way between GF and MK for years but it was never completed. I don't think I would dare to walk on a path that close to the water at night when the park is closing, not because it would be a long walk, but because I would be afraid get getting to be an appetizer for a gator.
 

justintheharris

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I'm surprised they are doing that. Given it is over near the area where alligators are known to hangout. I know they've had trail going part way between GF and MK for years but it was never completed. I don't think I would dare to walk on a path that close to the water at night when the park is closing, not because it would be a long walk, but because I would be afraid get getting to be an appetizer for a gator.
Gators do not sit around beaches waiting for a human to eat. The incident was a freak accident and I assume you are a grown adult. An alligator has no interest in you.
 

justintheharris

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With consideration to the evacuations over water that wouldl be a nightmare, perhaps this is all that is necessary. All it would require is the construction of the stations, the skyliner itself, and perhaps an expanded path near the bus loop.
 

cheezbat

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Hope that would never happen. For many reasons.

#1: waste of money.
#2: where would the stations for this fit?
#3: imagine the nightmares evacuating that thing over the water
#4: ugly as heck. I would be so aggravated if I was paying top dollar for a waterside room at one of the hotels and looked out and saw pylons and cables everywhere....keep them for the cheaper resorts.
 

justintheharris

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Hope that would never happen. For many reasons.

#1: waste of money.
#2: where would the stations for this fit?
#3: imagine the nightmares evacuating that thing over the water
#4: ugly as heck. I would be so aggravated if I was paying top dollar for a waterside room at one of the hotels and looked out and saw pylons and cables everywhere....keep them for the cheaper resorts.
Did you read any of the thread that has addressed 2 or 3? And I find Disney dealing with the park close chaos a very worthy investment of money
 

thomas998

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Gators do not sit around beaches waiting for a human to eat. The incident was a freak accident and I assume you are a grown adult. An alligator has no interest in you.
I used to live in Florida and the attacks that happen with alligators were generally not kids, more adults have been killed by alligators than kids.

As for the trail it isn't on a beach, it is by a lagoon which is a place you would expect to find alligators. The only reason Disney has only had 2 fatal gator attacks is because they spent lots of time capturing and removing them. But they aren't perfect and a dark trail around a lagoon isn't a place I would ever expect to be safe. Would be like wandering by ponds on a golf course at night in Florida... odds are you wouldn't get attacked by any gator, but then it only takes you winning the gator lottery once to turn you into a Darwin award winner.
 

justintheharris

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Hope that would never happen. For many reasons.

#1: waste of money.
#2: where would the stations for this fit?
#3: imagine the nightmares evacuating that thing over the water
#4: ugly as heck. I would be so aggravated if I was paying top dollar for a waterside room at one of the hotels and looked out and saw pylons and cables everywhere....keep them for the cheaper resorts.
Also with the new proposal, I’m fairly certain the skyliner wouldn’t be visible from any of the resort pools
 

justintheharris

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I used to live in Florida and the attacks that happen with alligators were generally not kids, more adults have been killed by alligators than kids.

As for the trail it isn't on a beach, it is by a lagoon which is a place you would expect to find alligators. The only reason Disney has only had 2 fatal gator attacks is because they spent lots of time capturing and removing them. But they aren't perfect and a dark trail around a lagoon isn't a place I would ever expect to be safe. Would be like wandering by ponds on a golf course at night in Florida... odds are you wouldn't get attacked by any gator, but then it only takes you winning the gator lottery once to turn you into a Darwin award winner.
Well I still live in Florida and with common sense, alligators are nothing to be afraid of. An alligator will not engage a full grown adult unless provoked. I also expect the path to have lighting.
 

thomas998

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Well I still live in Florida and with common sense, alligators are nothing to be afraid of. An alligator will not engage a full grown adult unless provoked. I also expect the path to have lighting.
All you have to do to provoke an alligator is be near it when it is hungry. There are dozens of adults that weren't poking a alligator with a stick that were attacked.
 

WDWTrojan

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Between the monorail and the ferryboats, most of the needs are covered. Yes, the monorail needs work but the kind of capital investment that would require a new Skyliner would be pretty unnecessary.

You also have to remember that the Skyliner was put where it is because the highest concentration of guest rooms in those areas (about 7500 between AOA, CB, Pop, Riviera). By comparison, the MK resort area has well under half that. This factor, combined with the existing transport options, make it a relatively useless endeavor.
 

justintheharris

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All you have to do to provoke an alligator is be near it when it is hungry. There are dozens of adults that weren't poking a alligator with a stick that were attacked.
I honestly feel like you're trolling. Do a google search. Alligators are generally docile and from what I've read, there are been 24 alligator deaths between 1928 and 2009. And given the bad press coverage from the previous incident, I highly doubt Disney would ever allow something like that to happen again. There is now a concerted effort to keep people away from the lake and I believe there's now fences up around the Seven Seas Lagoon with keep out signs.
 

justintheharris

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Between the monorail and the ferryboats, most of the needs are covered. Yes, the monorail needs work but the kind of capital investment that would require a new Skyliner would be pretty unnecessary.

You also have to remember that the Skyliner was put where it is because the highest concentration of guest rooms in those areas (about 7500 between AOA, CB, Pop, Riviera). By comparison, the MK resort area has well under half that. This factor, combined with the existing transport options, make it a relatively useless endeavor.
The goal of the skyliner would to be to alleviate the three hour monorail wait and two hour monorail wait and one hour bus wait at Magic Kingdom's closing time. I'm more concerned with that than transportation for resorts.
 

justintheharris

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I used to live in Florida and the attacks that happen with alligators were generally not kids, more adults have been killed by alligators than kids.

As for the trail it isn't on a beach, it is by a lagoon which is a place you would expect to find alligators. The only reason Disney has only had 2 fatal gator attacks is because they spent lots of time capturing and removing them. But they aren't perfect and a dark trail around a lagoon isn't a place I would ever expect to be safe. Would be like wandering by ponds on a golf course at night in Florida... odds are you wouldn't get attacked by any gator, but then it only takes you winning the gator lottery once to turn you into a Darwin award winner.
Forgive me for not knowing but when was the first alligator attack on Disney property?
 

thomas998

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Forgive me for not knowing but when was the first alligator attack on Disney property?
Not sure if it was the first because in the early days Disney was pretty good at keeping bad things quiet, but I do recall one in 1986 at Fort Wilderness... I heard rumor that there was on in the seven seas lagoon in the 70's but I never ready any news reports on that one.
 

thomas998

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I honestly feel like you're trolling. Do a google search. Alligators are generally docile and from what I've read, there are been 24 alligator deaths between 1928 and 2009. And given the bad press coverage from the previous incident, I highly doubt Disney would ever allow something like that to happen again. There is now a concerted effort to keep people away from the lake and I believe there's now fences up around the Seven Seas Lagoon with keep out signs.
You simply started throwing out a ridiculous claim that alligators don't attack adults, now you've claimed that there are only 24 deaths between 1928 and 2009... when in fact the Florida Fish and Wildlife records only go back to 1948, so who knows how many happened in those missing years you've come up. For the record alligator are responsible for about a dozen attacks per year in Florida with 1 normally being fatal.
 

justintheharris

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You simply started throwing out a ridiculous claim that alligators don't attack adults, now you've claimed that there are only 24 deaths between 1928 and 2009... when in fact the Florida Fish and Wildlife records only go back to 1948, so who knows how many happened in those missing years you've come up. For the record alligator are responsible for about a dozen attacks per year in Florida with 1 normally being fatal.
The reality of the situation is alligators attacks are not common. And that's the mainstream accepted premise. And when they do attack, they are rarely fatal. I am not going to change my mind because one person's fear to walk along a path at a resort where millions upon millions of guests have visited and literally two maybe three have been attacked by an alligator. At that point, I could start throwing out statistics about deaths on Disney rides and start citing how unsafe they are. In an overwhelming majority of cases, don't do anything dumb and nothing bad will happen.
 

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