Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20

[TP2000]

One of those counties is Humboldt, where I went to undergraduate school. It has a population of 135,000. I wouldn't call that a few thousand.

I wouldn't use Humboldt County (Go Lucky Loggers!) as a point of reference for any urban county 700 miles south in SoCal.

Humboldt County = 4,052 Square Miles, Population 135,000
Orange County = 948 Square Miles, Population 3,176,000

County Seat Eureka = 17 Square Miles, Population, 26,998
County Seat Santa Ana = 27 Square Miles, Population 332,725
Anaheim = 50 Square Miles, Population 352,005

That said, Humbold County (Go Lucky Loggers!) is a beautifully rugged corner of the state. It's a huge county of over 4,000 square miles (almost twice the size of Delaware) that goes far inland, but that coastal section is gorgeous!

 

[TP2000]

Gavin Newsom is a moron.

I actually think he has a lot in common with former DL Prez Michael Colglazier. Colglazier always fancied himself the smartest guy in the room, and he and his dullard wife would suck the life out of parties that they attended. OC hosts and hostesses were often afraid that those bores would ruin their social events because they were so full of themselves and yet so... incredibly... boring.

Just like Colglazier, Newsom is one of those guys who thinks of himself as very smart, very savvy, very sophisticated. He really does think he's brilliant and insightful when he drones on like a middle manager from HR like he does at press conferences.

It's an opposite world up in Sacramento. Newsom is the smartest guy in the room, and he's protecting 40 Million Californians from the dreary and hopelessly low-brow theme park industry. Science and data!

Why not visit Governor Newsom's winery this weekend instead? Napa County was allowed to go down to the Orange Tier, the wine tasting room and restaurant have reopened, and they've got some great packages for hilltop wine tasting this autumn!

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[TP2000]

So... about the idea of opening the theme parks without the rides and shows and making it all about the shops and food service and a big food festival...

Festivals are forbidden in all four tiers.

I've actually been surprised at how parks like Knott's have gotten away with that. Street fairs and food festivals and arts festivals have been cancelled in California for the last six months. But Knott's and Sea World can open their theme parks for food festivals serving stuff out of tents and snack bars? How is that okay?

But yeah, if Disneyland wants to survive or at least keep a core group of CM's on the payroll, they will need to start planning food festivals and arts n' crafts fairs, merchandise fairs, etc.

And yet... Festivals are forbidden in all four tiers of the Blueprint For A Safer Economy.

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[tirian]

I actually thinks he has a lot in common with former DL Prez Michael Colglazier. Colglazier always fancied himself the smartest guy in the room, and he and his dullard wife would suck the life out of parties that they attended. OC hosts and hostesses were often afraid that those bores would ruin their social events because they were so full of themselves and yet so... incredibly... boring.

Just like Colglazier, Newsom is one of those guys who thinks of himself as very smart, very savvy, very sophisticated. He really does think he's brilliant and insightful when he drones on like a middle manager from HR like he does at press conferences.

It's an opposite world up in Sacramento. Newsom is the smartest guy in the room, and he's protecting 40 Million Californians from the dreary and hopelessly low-brow theme park industry. Science and data!

Why not visit Governor Newsom's winery this weekend instead? Napa County was allowed to go down to the Orange Tier, the wine tasting room and restaurant have reopened, and they've got some great packages for hilltop wine tasting this autumn!

Visit Us | PlumpJack Estate Winery | Oakville

Experience PlumpJack Located in the heart of Oakville, our historic Estate offers 360-degree views of our surrounding 42-acre vineyard and a bounty of nature’s beauty. Our winery building, which dates back to the 1880s, sits on the edge of the courtyard, where guests have an up-close look at...

plumpjackwinery.com

I suffered through some Colglazier presentations. Your stories are accurate. Anyone who wasn’t drinking the Kool-Aid could see he was full of “it,” but people in that industry really like to drink the Kool-Aid.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Festivals are forbidden in all four tiers.

I've actually been surprised at how parks like Knott's have gotten away with that. Street fairs and food festivals and arts festivals have been cancelled in California for the last six months. But Knott's and Sea World can open their theme parks for food festivals serving stuff out of tents and snack bars? How is that okay?

But yeah, if Disneyland wants to survive or at least keep a core group of CM's on the payroll, they will need to start planning food festivals and arts n' crafts fairs, merchandise fairs, etc.

And yet... Festivals are forbidden in all four tiers of the Blueprint For A Safer Economy.

COVID-19 Home

covid19.ca.gov

Just call it restaurants -- an extension of DTD. Say, "we're doing a Knott's."

 

[milordsloth]

Just call it restaurants -- an extension of DTD. Say, "we're doing a Knott's."

Don't you see how crazy that is? None of this makes any sense at all.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Don't you see how crazy that is? None of this makes any sense at all.

No. He doesn't, really.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Don't you see how crazy that is? None of this makes any sense at all.

Yeah, we're in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. It's all crazy.

However, if DL were to open, it wouldn't be making much admission income from all the APers. Everyone says the APers are worth it to DL because they buy food and merch.

So... open the food and merch. Lots of room for outdoor seating. One giant branching strip mall. That should make some money. Put some people back to work.

 

[TP2000]

I suffered through some Colglazier presentations. Your stories are accurate. Anyone who wasn’t drinking the Kool-Aid could see he was full of “it,” but people in that industry really like to drink the Kool-Aid.

I've had a few of OC's successful hostesses commiserate with me how boring that couple is to have as party guests.

They just suck the life out of any event, or dinner table, or gaggle of people who get stuck talking with them.

And God help you if you don't comment favorably on how they met at Harvard Business School.

 

[planodisney]

My common sense tells me, that there is nothing to be gained and no agenda to meet in keeping Disneyland closed other than the safety and well being of people in California.

It's kind of sad that people would assume that those trying to keep them safe are stupid or evil.

You missed the point. It wasn’t that those trying to keep us safe are stupid or evil. In this case they are just wrong, and playing politics. The stupid and evil was how the left portrays their opponents to their voters so they can play the part of the savior.
Is there no cost, no loss to livelihoods and absolutely nothing that could possibly happen that could cause you to say the state government is overreaching and causing more harm than good?
Nothing?
Shocking!

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, we're in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. It's all crazy.

However, if DL were to open, it wouldn't be making much admission income from all the APers. Everyone says the APers are worth it to DL because they buy food and merch.

So... open the food and merch. Lots of room for outdoor seating. One giant branching strip mall. That should make some money. Put some people back to work.

Yep, if they really cared about getting CMs back to work and trying to help Anaheim they'd reopen for a "Taste of Main St." type of festival.

 

[el_super]

You missed the point. It wasn’t that those trying to keep us safe are stupid or evil. In this case they are just wrong, and playing politics.

There is nothing to be gained politically by keeping Disneyland closed. So doing so would have to be stupid right? Or, maybe, it's being done for the stated purpose of keeping people safe.

The stupid and evil was how the left portrays their opponents to their voters so they can play the part of the savior.

As someone who has now been the subject of having insults slung my way, I feel pretty confident in saying the name calling goes both ways.

Is there no cost, no loss to livelihoods and absolutely nothing that could possibly happen that could cause you to say the state government is overreaching and causing more harm than good?
Nothing?
Shocking!

You can help people who are out of work, but you can't help people who are dead. Is there really some secret formulae for attaching a dollar figure to a life that makes a death an economic proposition?

Just for some historical context: 2500 people died at Pearl Harbor. 3000 people died in Manhattan on September 11th. Economies, cultures and even history itself were all changed by those deaths. But now 200,000 people are dead and the best we can muster is a "meh?" Really?

Apparently America is now home to a bunch of folks that want to think that when the going gets tough, the tough complain that a theme park isn't open.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You missed the point. It wasn’t that those trying to keep us safe are stupid or evil. In this case they are just wrong, and playing politics. The stupid and evil was how the left portrays their opponents to their voters so they can play the part of the savior.
Is there no cost, no loss to livelihoods and absolutely nothing that could possibly happen that could cause you to say the state government is overreaching and causing more harm than good?
Nothing?
Shocking!

Playing politics is denying science, lying and tolerating to outright promoting conspiracy theories because it is more convenient to your desired political conclusion. There is nothing about government mandated closures that I like. Most days I don't even really like the idea of business licensure. But not liking something is not a justification for lying and the "by any means necessary" approach to justifying opposition is far more dangerous for the way it denies science, expertise and breaks down general civic discourse because arguments are not made in good faith.

 

[el_super]

Also some light reading that backs up something I have said here before about the real struggles companies will face. The lock downs are trivial compared to the need for a true sense of safety and security to be achieved. Even without government action or recommendations, the theme park industry will continue to suffer when governments are seen as not taking action, and the public is wary of taking unnecessary risk.

Disney hasn’t been alone. Theme parks were allowed to open back up in most of this country this summer, and initially believed that pent-up demand would translate into a resurgence in traffic. Instead, attendance has been well below expectations — at Six Flags, for instance, it’s been around 25%–30% of capacity — and not by choice. Because of this, some park operators, like Hersheypark, have cut back hours, while others, like Cedar Fair, are just keeping some of their parks closed for the year. ​

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Forget Shutdowns. It’s ‘Demand Shock’ That’s Killing Our Economy.

Gyms, restaurants, and movie theaters are all reeling for the very same reason

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[TP2000]

Just for some historical context: 2500 people died at Pearl Harbor. 3000 people died in Manhattan on September 11th. Economies, cultures and even history itself were all changed by those deaths. But now 200,000 people are dead and the best we can muster is a "meh?" Really?

Yes, because the median age of Covid deaths is 78 years old.

The same age that is the median age of death for Americans in general. 78.

Over half the deaths in Orange County are over the age of 75. One third of the OC deaths are over the age of 85. 85!

You don't think people are immortal, do you? Once you hit your mid 70's, you were lucky to get that far and hopefully you had some fun along the way, but you are now on borrowed time. Tick, tick, tick...

Every year in America, just over 2.8 Million Americans die. Drop dead. Gone. Tick, tick, tick...

 

[milordsloth]

Casinos have been able to be open in California since June or July at least, I've been to a few. I've able to sit at a slot machine, play blackjack while smoking cigarettes in California for months (mask optional!), but I can't ride a rollercoaster? Hard to believe casinos are essential but theme parks aren't. Clearly Newsom had a traumatic experience at a theme park, I can't think of anything else.

 

[el_super]

Yes, because the median age of Covid deaths is 78 years old.

There are more deaths from COVID in the under 34 bracket, than died at Pearl Harbor or 9/11. You really want to make the case that those were no big deal or that our response to those events were over reactions?

What exactly is the discount on the value of a life you assign to those age 78 and above? Are they only worth 50% of a human life? Maybe on 10% as valuable?

 

[TP2000]

There are more deaths from COVID in the under 34 bracket, than died at Pearl Harbor or 9/11. You really want to make the case that those were no big deal or that our response to those events were over reactions?

What exactly is the discount on the value of a life you assign to those age 78 and above? Are they only worth 50% of a human life? Maybe on 10% as valuable?

I'd say it's about 10% of the life of a 20 year old kid. Because I know I'm not immortal and my time is coming to an end soon. A man like me doesn't live forever, even if he still plays some tennis. Tick, tick, tick...

 

[TP2000]

Casinos have been able to be open in California since June or July at least, I've been to a few. I've able to sit at a slot machine, play blackjack while smoking cigarettes in California for months (mask optional!), but I can't ride a rollercoaster? Hard to believe casinos are essential but theme parks aren't. Clearly Newsom had a traumatic experience at a theme park, I can't think of anything else.

I think what's apparent is that Gavin Newsom has never actually been to Disneyland, or any theme park. I can find no record of him ever visiting a major theme park. And he and Mrs. Newsom have four young children. It's just not their scene. They are more winery weekends, and Thursday evenings at the Legion of Honor or the Academy of Sciences kind of parents.

I wish a reporter would ask him that question.... "When was your last trip to Disneyland?"

But a Google search showed no known visit in the last decade for the Newsom family.

They apparently vacation out of the country, and they are very secretive on where they go. I imagine it's a very stylish and luxurious resort of some kind, perhaps a private home in an exclusive enclave.