Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You do realize you have no clue what actually happened 5 years after, right?
I guess no “new tricks” have been learned, huh?
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News The Walt Disney Company Board of Directors Extends Robert A. Iger’s Contract as CEO Through 2026
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I guess no “new tricks” have been learned, huh?
Dranth
Well-Known Member
You give Iger WAY too much credit as an evil mastermind.
I wouldn't say "evil". I would say "master manipulator".
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The dirty was spilled when slappy and Chrissy took the fall. Classic low Level coup that was obvious.
And it’s more like the apple dumpling gang.
Dots aren’t hard to connect.
They’re flashing leds the size of beach balls.
I would say you have to really be neither when you were permitted to Install your own Board…which is anti wise corporate governance and EXACTLY where it’s at
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Still too much credit. Now opportunistic, absolutely. You don't get to be a CEO without some of that. That he somehow was controlling Chapek is a bridge too far.
Are you saying Iger didn't manipulate Chapek into a fraught reorganization of studios and content creation so that Chapek would imperil the company and then be fired just so Iger could be asked back and undo everything he manipulated Chapek into doing?!?!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
He didn’t control Chapek when he left…he put him as his own placeholder when he thought the economy was gonna crash…and didn’t want the stink attached to his own opinion of himself.
The events aren’t hard to follow. Who “leaves” but doesn’t move an inch from his office and creates tittles for himself?
That’s like putting the idiot son in law “In charge” of the family business…but not giving him the keys to the office or the wifi password
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well since the results are pretty bad…you defeated your own bad attempt at sarcasm.
Again…they are allowed…and do…lie to you every single day. It’s not “illegal”…they doth owe you anything. They just can’t cook the books…and there’s a lot of grey area in play there even there. There are no watchdogs…it’s simply the hair brained trust that the “market” finds all truth.
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
We have Iger right now because Chapek was a disaster. The notion that somehow he made Chapek make an amazingly bad string of terrible decisions is ridiculous.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They both have made an amazing string of bad decisions…one just is better at PR.
This is why this always goes off the rails…their tact has been 100% deliberate…and it’s been the same arbiter for 20 years
You and everyone else know better/are better than that
Like chapek walked in and started firing off decisions wirh autonmy for 18 months…that’s not even enough time in Disney terms to get a bathroom redecorated. And he was never even in fact given the bathroom with big brother in the next room.
Chapek’s waterloo was before he ever got the title. By design
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
I think Vegas and Disney are fairly close to a 1:1, they both looked at Covid travel demand and chose to fleece everyone for a one time gain rather than using the boom as an opportunity to provide a great vacation to new guests and make lifelong fans who will return year over year.It’s definitely nowhere close to a 1:1…but Vegas has become almost the definition of needless waste at high prices…as have “destination” theme parks
Excellent post
They chose a couple years of income at the expense of the next decade or two.
Smiley/OCD
Well-Known Member
Obviously they’re using the same lasers as the ones on Buzz Lightyear…and that’s getting shut down for the refurb…
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Let's set aside that it was set up that way on purpose to calm investors as Chapek was considered too raw to handle a company as massive as Disney in that situation (heading into Covid). We can also ignore that Iger did leave completely after his allotted "mentoring" time was up and was reduced to grousing about things in the media.
That would still leave your theory of events as a massive gamble for Iger. If Disney does fine under Chapek, Iger does not come back. Period, end of story. Instead Chapek screwed up in every way possible. He went against the board on purpose, he p-ed off the street (big no-no for a CEO), he p-ed off the workers, he tried to lie on an earnings call, started a fight with an entire state due to his incompetence, paused projects, redid others (making them worse), canceled still more. Turned the whole place into a streaming factory with an accountant in charge of creative decisions, etc.
Don't get me wrong, Iger isn't some innocent bystander, but he did not make Chapek do any of those things that lead to his return. If Chapek isn't a disaster, Iger is still sitting at home today.
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Except he did. I provided a partial list above of exactly the kinds of decisions he made that had a major impact and lead directly to him being shown the door.
Now, ignoring the quality of those changes for a moment, maybe that is an indictment on how Disney runs in general that quick change is such a problem, but there is no doubt he made a lot of changes in a short period of time.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Chapek is to blame for some things. IMO some of the things go back to Iger. Like paid Fastpass and the AP reservation system. Some of those things Iger has always wanted to do.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’ll take a look at your list
But if it’s magical express and parking fees…those are ultimately very minor
Dranth
Well-Known Member
No doubt. Again, Iger isn't blame free here, I just push back on the notion he had any real control over Chapek or how that situation was ultimately going to turn out.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The parks guy has zero say/power
There’s always resistance to this in fandom because they tend to be the “face”
Of a product and fans don’t want to believe it’s under the thumb of a soulless corporation.
But it is. If anything…Chapek is the archetype for it….he had zero savvy and self esteem…so the perfect instrument for a lot of the scorched earth policy of the last 10 years…not set by Chapek.
A useful idiot…textbook.
Every single thing done during his brief period was all planned long prior…he was just hammed handed and terrible with messaging. No argument there.
We can go through your valid list of complaints…and we will…I just gotta take a drive and see a guy about a
Thing now (large scale redevelopment for greenspace
)
Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
So what's your opinion on Steve Jobs' return to Apple?
Granted that they left under very different circumstances, but both returned to fix/save the company.