The Sorcerer's Apprentice Season 4: Homecoming Edition - Discussion Thread

spacemt354

spacemt354

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DisneyFan18 said:
I was thinking, if you were tasked to create a movie for each of the Disney divisions, what movie would you create?

Disney Animation: Another Cultural Movie, I liked the idea of Gigantic because it was based on Spain, maybe something based on India, its rich culture and mythology could make a great movie!

Disney Live Action: A Live Action Adaptation of Hercules, with a more accurate take on the Greek Mythology.

Pixar Studios: Something different, I liked Brave for being a different take on a princess tale, so maybe some sort of reinterpretation on a Heroe’s Epic, I also want it to feel revolutionary, not so sure about what theme to tackle to help it with that though...

Lucasfilm: A Star Wars Trilogy Based on Darth Revan & The Old Republic.

Marvel Studios: Young Avengers, it has so much potential, and so many amazing characters!

Blue Sky: Maybe a new Adaptation of Anastasia?

Fox: The Sound of Music Sequel similar to Mary Poppins. Or Maybe the Haunted Mansion Movie by Del Toro can be better developed under it or Fox Searchlight?
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Hmm

Disney Animation: Something like The Lion King...something not just geared towards girls but that boys and girls can enjoy.
Disney Live Action: The Black Cauldron
Pixar: Inside Out 2. Inside Out was pre-teen, now being a teenager that opens up pandora's box.
Lucasfilm: Darth Vader: A Star Wars Story
Marvel Studios: Illuminati film (ie Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Professor X, etc) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(comics)
Blue Sky: No idea haha
Fox: Alien (Encounter)
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
Pionmycake said:
I'll have to watch that later. But most of my complaints are the same i have with the prequels. Overly convoluted narrative where character decisions seem less based on logic or emotion and more based on creating plot points. Plus an unfocused writing that fails to choose a main character. One could equally argue that Finn and Rey are the lead. That causes both of their narratives to be underwritten. The plot in general is too simplistic considering how convoluted the writing of ut can be. Pacing is bad. Worst of all, it has such a distinct and unique tone that would be great if it wasn't meant to be a continuation of episode 7 yet it feels like an entirely different film series and doesn't pay off plot threads from 7 in a satisfying way (I'm ok with it not lining up with theories, but it needs to be satisfying). Not to mention the fact that Rey, Finn, and Poe's interactions with each other is a large part of what 7 so great and they all hardly interact at all. Plus odd visual choices like Luke milking an alien and Princess Leia's Mary Poppins moment.

That all being said, I really liked the movie and think it had a lot of good things. I loved it even. But there are a lot of issues with it beyond fanboy complaints and misogynistic jerks. And I think it is helpful from a filmmaking fan's perspective to examine why this was such a mixed reception film and all the actual issues.
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Not to bring this back up again *but proceeds to bring it back up anyway*:p

What I've found odd is the 3 main leads (Rey, Finn, and Poe) continually get separated and in some cases have barely met through 2 out of 3 trilogy films. If comparing it to the OT, Rey is the 'Luke', Poe is the 'Han'...if it was the OT, imagine if Luke meets Han at the very end of Empire Strikes Back, and just says hi. You wouldn't feel a close relationship between the leads. Maybe it's intended this way? But it just feels odd.

Also the pacing of the films not just as a film, but in terms of the Star Wars universe, they've both basically taken place within a short period of time, which lends little time for character growth, they all are basically the same person they were a week ago. Whereas the prior movies would time jump 2-3 years to upwards of 10 years between TPM and AotC, and you'd see a progression from film to film. It's just an odd place as a SW fan because I want to love these movies. I really liked TFA when it came out, but over time I was like this is basically the plot of A New Hope. Then I liked TLJ out of the gate for how unique it was...but then again over time, I keep picking up flaws and I just scratch my head. Rogue One is probably my favorite out of this new batch of films, and I hope that IX can deliver - for everyone's sake!
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
spacemt354 said:
Not to bring this back up again *but proceeds to bring it back up anyway*:p

What I've found odd is the 3 main leads (Rey, Finn, and Poe) continually get separated and in some cases have barely met through 2 out of 3 trilogy films. If comparing it to the OT, Rey is the 'Luke', Poe is the 'Han'...if it was the OT, imagine if Luke meets Han at the very end of Empire Strikes Back, and just says hi. You wouldn't feel a close relationship between the leads. Maybe it's intended this way? But it just feels odd.

Also the pacing of the films not just as a film, but in terms of the Star Wars universe, they've both basically taken place within a short period of time, which lends little time for character growth, they all are basically the same person they were a week ago. Whereas the prior movies would time jump 2-3 years to upwards of 10 years between TPM and AotC, and you'd see a progression from film to film. It's just an odd place as a SW fan because I want to love these movies. I really liked TFA when it came out, but over time I was like this is basically the plot of A New Hope. Then I liked TLJ out of the gate for how unique it was...but then again over time, I keep picking up flaws and I just scratch my head. Rogue One is probably my favorite out of this new batch of films, and I hope that IX can deliver - for everyone's sake!
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Unless Poe is not a lead, or just one of many, unless they're trying to go GoT style where there are just vignettes of different story-lines and people in different lands rarely interact. The problem with that on film is you only have 2-2.5 hours whereas on a TV show you have basically 8-10 hours to flesh out the characters. Infinity War wouldn't have worked as well if you didn't have multiple films of build-up character development for each hero, especially ones that got like 3-5 minutes of screentime.
 
Suchomimus

Suchomimus

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FireMountain said:
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
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