The Sorcerer's Apprentice Season 4: Homecoming Edition - Discussion Thread

[kmbmw777]

If I may @S.P.E.W, I’d like to ask an Imagineering question today.

From a comment in this non-WDWMagic article, three different types of theme park are mentioned:

High-budget parks which emphasize dark rides, like Disney or Universal.

Low-budget parks which emphasize roller coasters, like Six Flags or Cedar Fair.

Low-budget parks which emphasize dark rides, like those in Dubai.

The question, then: What would a high-budget park which emphasizes roller coaster be like? Could it be done, artistically or commercially?

Possibly via very elaborate scenery/queues and then VR for the ride experience? I’m honestly drawing a blank.

 

[Suchomimus]

The problem with being sarcastic on the internet is that your the only one who can tell that you’re being sarcastic...

Trust me that’s happened before

 

[kmbmw777]

I just discovered Golden Oak and I realized why I'm going to college - to one day, maybe, have enough money to own a home there!

 

[Voxel]

Possibly via very elaborate scener, queues and then VR for the ride experience? I’m honestly drawing a blank.

VR has a hygienic issue that a lot of people don't think about. Hence why I refuse to ride any VR ride without wet wipes in hand. I mean imaging the Disneyland Measle Scare if kids were putting it near their eyes and nose.

 

[kmbmw777]

VR has a hygienic issue that a lot of people don't think about. Hence why I refuse to ride any VR ride without wet wipes in hand. I mean imaging the Disneyland Measle Scare if kids were putting it near their eyes and nose.

Could that be fixed similarly to the way that they clean goggles at my school? Whenever the case is locked away, they are sanitized.
Our case resembles this: https://www.flinnsci.com/goggle-sanitizer-flinn/se1000/

 

[Voxel]

Could that be fixed similarly to the way that they clean goggles at my school? Whenever the case is locked away, they are sanitized.
Our case resembles this: https://www.flinnsci.com/goggle-sanitizer-flinn/se1000/

In Theory.. It depends on the Tech. Wireless VR tech is not there yet and has only been shown in discussions from top VR developers and they don't explore the possibility of a fast moving party or other aspect. So right now VR has to be mounted to something whether it be a ride or a backpack. Back pack system could be cleaned in that way, but on a ride you would need the cleaning solution on the ride and would have be done when the user puts the VR back in the Case (assuming they do that).

 

[kmbmw777]

In Theory.. It depends on the Tech. Wireless VR tech is not there yet and has only been shown in discussions from top VR developers and they don't explore the possibility of a fast moving party or other aspect. So right now VR has to be mounted to something where it be a ride or a backpack. Back pack system could be cleaned and that way, but on a ride you would need the cleaning solution on the ride and would have be done when the user puts the VR back in the Case (assuming they do that).

Interesting. So in theory, it is nearly possible. Too bad the case that I suggested takes about 15 min to clean the goggles.

 

[Voxel]

Interesting. So in theory, it is nearly possible. Too bad the case that I suggested takes about 15 min to clean the goggles.

We are on the verge.. We have the wireless tech that can handle those transfer speeds.. Our biggest issues is a wireless VR headset that have a decent amount of battery life that it's practical but doesn't snap the user neck when they wear it. XD

This concludes a @Voxel Tech Lesson of the day

 

[TwilightZone]

If I may @S.P.E.W, I’d like to ask an Imagineering question today.

From a comment in this non-WDWMagic article, three different types of theme park are mentioned:

High-budget parks which emphasize dark rides, like Disney or Universal.

Low-budget parks which emphasize roller coasters, like Six Flags or Cedar Fair.

Low-budget parks which emphasize dark rides, like those in Dubai.

The question, then: What would a high-budget park which emphasizes roller coaster be like? Could it be done, artistically or commercially?

I think a high-budget roller coaster can exist. I think a high budget roller coaster park would have themed rides both with physical and vr sets. I would also imagine it using the themed land concept that disney popularized. Since most non disney parks take more into real locations that fantastical ones, I can imagine a high-tech coaster park also doing the real locations thing, if they do use fantastical lands, I would imagine that they would be very different from the ones at disney.

 

[TwilightZone]

The magic of the mcdonalds wagon is gettin me mcdonalds today.
All hail mcdonalds wagon.

 

[Suchomimus]

All hail mcdonalds wagon.

 

[spacemt354]

We are on the verge.. We have the wireless tech that can handle those transfer speeds.. Our biggest issues is a wireless VR headset that have a decent amount of battery life that it's practical but doesn't snap the user neck when they wear it. XD

This concludes a @Voxel Tech Lesson of the day

Can this become a daily segment?

 

[spacemt354]

The problem with being sarcastic on the internet is that your the only one who can tell that you’re being sarcastic...

 

[spacemt354]

Hi, Everyone

New to the forum, kind of. Been reading for years decided to post when my bright idea finally decided to force me to put it on paper (digitally speaking). So I have opened a new thread about the TTA and Making it Major League. Please take a look. https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/making-the-tta-wedway-major-league.938536/

Welcome to (posting) on the forum! Will have to look more into it when I get home, but from skimming it you've got some ambitious ideas!

 

[Skipper2]

Thanks and I have alot more stuff to share.

 

[spacemt354]

If I may @S.P.E.W, I’d like to ask an Imagineering question today.

From a comment in this non-WDWMagic article, three different types of theme park are mentioned:

High-budget parks which emphasize dark rides, like Disney or Universal.

Low-budget parks which emphasize roller coasters, like Six Flags or Cedar Fair.

Low-budget parks which emphasize dark rides, like those in Dubai.

The question, then: What would a high-budget park which emphasizes roller coaster be like? Could it be done, artistically or commercially?

Artistically I think it could be done. The Magic Kingdom will soon have its 5th coaster (4 being high budget), and that's not even including a thrill ride like Splash Mountain. Picture adding the Matterhorn, Indy Coaster from DLP, and a super hero coaster similar to Hulk and the Slinky Dog Dash, and you've got yourself a ton of roller coaster options.

Commercially, I wonder how the capacity issue will impact guest spending and attendance vs cost of construction for that park. So many high cost, lower capacity attractions, and guests will spend their time waiting in long-lines instead of shopping or dining in-between rides. There has to be some sort of algorithm or threshold R&D has especially for top companies like Disney/Uni that weigh these factors when deciding on attraction directions.

 

[spacemt354]

Thanks and I have alot more stuff to share.

Can't wait to see!

 

[WowFactor]

In Theory.. It depends on the Tech. Wireless VR tech is not there yet and has only been shown in discussions from top VR developers and they don't explore the possibility of a fast moving party or other aspect. So right now VR has to be mounted to something whether it be a ride or a backpack. Back pack system could be cleaned in that way, but on a ride you would need the cleaning solution on the ride and would have be done when the user puts the VR back in the Case (assuming they do that).

How does the SW is handling the cleaning issue at Kraken Unleashed?

 

[D Hulk]

Artistically I think it could be done. The Magic Kingdom will soon have its 5th coaster (4 being high budget), and that's not even including a thrill ride like Splash Mountain. Picture adding the Matterhorn, Indy Coaster from DLP, and a super hero coaster similar to Hulk and the Slinky Dog Dash, and you've got yourself a ton of roller coaster options.

Commercially, I wonder how the capacity issue will impact guest spending and attendance vs cost of construction for that park. So many high cost, lower capacity attractions, and guests will spend their time waiting in long-lines instead of shopping or dining in-between rides. There has to be some sort of algorithm or threshold R&D has especially for top companies like Disney/Uni that weigh these factors when deciding on attraction directions.

I agree that artistically it's doable, and not simply just by pooling together all of Disney's well-themed coasters (though it proves a good point). I think it's artistically feasible to create extreme thrill rides, like those at Cedar Point or Great Adventure, done with wholly immersive theming. European parks like Alton Towers, Phantasialand and Europa Park show glimpses of this approach. Some coaster types might lend themselves better to this tactic - doing Maverick with Big Thunder level landscaping would be a lot easier than building several mountains around Millennium Force. And ideally the park would be enjoyable for non-riders too, with a decent balance of other activities (including quality dining and relaxing non-thrill rides) to create a full experience.

Logistics is a big question. You address coaster capacity, and I'm not sure if the Cedar Point model answers that for you or not. My big question is the park's audience. There's maybe not huge overlap between theming fanatics (us) and thrill seekers (though I know a few on these boards ). I've known coaster enthusiasts who claim visuals don't matter at all on a coaster, asserting nonsense like "Nemesis would be just as good in a parking lot." Or could an immersively themed thrill park discover a new potential guest who isn't served by the Disney/Six Flags dichotomy? I'm not sure at all...but I'm thinking this could be a fun freelance project to tackle.

 

[spacemt354]

I agree that artistically it's doable, and not simply just by pooling together all of Disney's well-themed coasters (though it proves a good point). I think it's artistically feasible to create extreme thrill rides, like those at Cedar Point or Great Adventure, done with wholly immersive theming. European parks like Alton Towers, Phantasialand and Europa Park show glimpses of this approach. Some coaster types might lend themselves better to this tactic - doing Maverick with Big Thunder level landscaping would be a lot easier than building several mountains around Millennium Force. And ideally the park would be enjoyable for non-riders too, with a decent balance of other activities (including quality dining and relaxing non-thrill rides) to create a full experience.

Logistics is a big question. You address coaster capacity, and I'm not sure if the Cedar Point model answers that for you or not. My big question is the park's audience. There's maybe not huge overlap between theming fanatics (us) and thrill seekers (though I know a few on these boards ). I've known coaster enthusiasts who claim visuals don't matter at all on a coaster, asserting nonsense like "Nemesis would be just as good in a parking lot." Or could an immersively themed thrill park discover a new potential guest who isn't served by the Disney/Six Flags dichotomy? I'm not sure at all...but I'm thinking this could be a fun freelance project to tackle.

It never got off the ground -- but I once tried to start a Six Flags Over Florida brainstorming thread...we rarely tackle or discuss parks like Cedar Point, Hershey, Six Flags, etc, it could be fun to just hash out logistics and stuff because it is an interesting topic to ponder.