The Sorcerer's Apprentice Season 2: International Edition - Discussion Thread

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Matt7187

Matt7187

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englanddg said:
Just thought I'd plop this here.

Mickey's 10 Commandments, by Marty Sklar (google him if you don't know who he is, but the man is a legend in imagineering)

1. Know your audience - Don't bore people, talk down to them or lose them by assuming that they know what you know.

2. Wear your guest's shoes - Insist that designers, staff and your board members experience your facility as visitors as often as possible.

3. Organize the flow of people and ideas - Use good story telling techniques, tell good stories not lectures, lay out your exhibit with a clear logic.

4. Create a weenie - Lead visitors from one area to another by creating visual magnets and giving visitors rewards for making the journey

5. Communicate with visual literacy - Make good use of all the non-verbal ways of communication - color, shape, form, texture.

6. Avoid overload - Resist the temptation to tell too much, to have too many objects, don't force people to swallow more than they can digest, try to stimulate and provide guidance to those who want more.

7. Tell one story at a time - If you have a lot of information divide it into distinct, logical, organized stories, people can absorb and retain information more clearly if the path to the next concept is clear and logical.

8. Avoid contradiction - Clear institutional identity helps give you the competitive edge. Public needs to know who you are and what differentiates you from other institutions they may have seen.

9. For every ounce of treatment , provide a ton of fun - How do you woo people from all other temptations? Give people plenty of opportunity to enjoy themselves by emphasizing ways that let people participate in the experience and by making your environment rich and appealing to all senses.

10. Keep it up - Never underestimate the importance of cleanliness and routine maintenance, people expect to get a good show every time, people will comment more on broken and dirty stuff.

Martin Sklar, Walt Disney Imagineering, Education vs. Entertainment: Competing for audiences, AAM Annual meeting, 1987
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Have you read his book? It is very good
 
englanddg

englanddg

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IDInstitute said:
I would have been fine with that:)

Listen, I get your point, and maybe we should have elaborated on that, but it's probably fine, and I seance your getting angry. Remember, it's all just fun. ;)
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I wanted to respond to this, if it's ok JDM, I'll place this in the discussion thread...

Look, for those of you who haven't worked with or don't know me, I RARELY get angry.

Feisty, is a better term.

I love a solid debate, I love a solid discussion, and I love to push buttons...

But, I am NOT trolling. I take this as seriously as you all do. And I respect each and every one of you and your abilities and ideas.

That does NOT mean that I won't criticize them in all fun...and feel free to do the same to me. I can take what I dish out.

I don't want to get back to the environment we had last year where a team quite literally imploded due to internal reasons, and external reasons became the excuse.

So, I figured I'd eliminate this now.

When you post, I will (rightfully) post responses in the discussion thread of my opine. I will not ever (nor have I ever) "attack" any individual, just the ideas or basis. Similarly, feel free to do so in response.

It's how we all get better. Critique.

The only people I poked fun at with things that didn't have constructive critique were people I knew would understand (like @Zweiland would understand what I meant about the "menu"...as he knows I enjoy restaurant challenges, and that comment was directed at him personally, not your team in general)...
 
englanddg

englanddg

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JokersWild said:
I truly don't understand why this is a controversy. It is absolutely pointless that we are having this discussion. This is a competition built on hypothetical scenarios. This shouldn't be a discussion, or at least a discussion that has escalated to this point. I'd very much like it if we could all stop this pointless incessant bickering about hypothetical IP grabs. It would truly make my night.

My two cents. I can't wait to see the result, whenever they may be.

EDIT: I also thank you for continuing to openly and rather harshly judge a competition you are actually playing in. That might actually be the most baffling part of this debacle.
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I didn't "harshly judge" I said it was an IP that isn't owned by Disney. It's a valid observation.

I thought the concept and ideas, as well as the final presentation were fantastic. And I never said otherwise.
 
englanddg

englanddg

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JokersWild said:
No, because that has been built in not one, but two parks. Tintin has not been placed in any park anywhere in the world. There has been a movie made, yes, but that truly means absolutely nothing. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has two movies, yet there is a ride based solely on the book in England. The same is entirely possible for Tintin.

EDIT: And I agree whole heartedly with Red. This is not the place for this kind of discussion as you, englanddg have been so adamant to uphold in other situations.
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What "other situations"?

This is the first time there has even BEEN a "discussion" thread, and it's largely for conversation like this? Conversations like this, last year, were in both the main thread and the boardroom, and largely weren't my doing (though I got labeled for them)...

I'll ask you all to review the show. Conflict is part of it. If you can't take a bit of smack talk, based on concept not individuals, you really should review the basis of the Apprentice again.

i'm not going to sit aside and watch a team with a fantastic concept that isn't a Disney IP ram over ours. Sorry, won't work that way.

And, JDM did the right thing, and gave us second largely due to that misbehaviour IN THE MAIN THREAD, but I also wasn't the only one doing it.

We also broke the posting amendment.

He was completely right in his decision, and I agree with it.

Even if I didn't, it's his comp, and regardless of what you think, I do play well with people. I just also know that there is a LOT of downtime between post and decision (again, done this comp before) and it's fun to critique and HEAR critiques about others submissions.

I suggest you lighten up, and realize, it's not me that takes it personally.
 
JokersWild

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englanddg said:
What "other situations"?

This is the first time there has even BEEN a "discussion" thread, and it's largely for conversation like this? Conversations like this, last year, were in both the main thread and the boardroom, and largely weren't my doing (though I got labeled for them)...

I'll ask you all to review the show. Conflict is part of it. If you can't take a bit of smack talk, based on concept not individuals, you really should review the basis of the Apprentice again.

i'm not going to sit aside and watch a team with a fantastic concept that isn't a Disney IP ram over ours. Sorry, won't work that way.

And, JDM did the right thing, and gave us second largely due to that misbehaviour IN THE MAIN THREAD, but I also wasn't the only one doing it.

We also broke the posting amendment.

He was completely right in his decision, and I agree with it.

Even if I didn't, it's his comp, and regardless of what you think, I do play well with people. I just also know that there is a LOT of downtime between post and decision (again, done this comp before) and it's fun to critique and HEAR critiques about others submissions.

I suggest you lighten up, and realize, it's not me that takes it personally.
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Firstly, it's not that I need to lighten up.

You need to realize that some of us(myself included) are new to this forum. How was I supposed to know that you were smack talking? Sarcasm isn't really shown well over the internet.

Look. I come from another forum where people openly throw people under the bus and argue unnecessarily for a win in an imagineering comp. it's acceptable there. I don't support it. I'm not going to sit idly by as another team is accused of cheating. Again, I didn't know, nor did I have any way of knowing, that you were saying what you said in good fun. I apologize if I offended you in any way, but again, how was I supposed to know?
 
Zweiland

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JokersWild said:
Firstly, it's not that I need to lighten up.

You need to realize that some of us(myself included) are new to this forum. How was I supposed to know that you were smack talking? Sarcasm isn't really shown well over the internet.

Look. I come from another forum where people openly throw people under the bus and argue unnecessarily for a win in an imagineering comp. it's acceptable there. I don't support it. I'm not going to sit idly by as another team is accused of cheating. Again, I didn't know, nor did I have any way of knowing, that you were saying what you said in good fun. I apologize if I offended you in any way, but again, how was I supposed to know?
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That's actually exactly his point. :)

You came from the other forum and saw him critiquing our presentation, and obviously you thought it was "harsh criticism". Because to anyone who doesn't know him, it looks like it is.

And of course it was perfectly natural for you to step in and try to stop him from accusing us of cheating.

However, now that you know him, he's asking you to "lighten up" and not try to take things so seriously the next time. He's even telling you that you can respond with your own lighthearted trash talk, as long as you are attacking the idea and not the member.
 
JokersWild

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Zweiland said:
That's actually exactly his point. :)

You came from the other forum and saw him critiquing our presentation, and obviously you thought it was "harsh criticism". Because to anyone who doesn't know him, it looks like it is.

And of course it was perfectly natural for you to step in and try to stop him from accusing us of cheating.

However, now that you know him, he's asking you to "lighten up" and not try to take things so seriously the next time. He's even telling you that you can respond with your own lighthearted trash talk, as long as you are attacking the idea and not the member.
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Yeah. I mean, now that I know him and understand that he means no harm, I have no problem with it. I was just trying to defend my viewpoint at the time.
 
RMichael21

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Alright guys, just hug it out! :)
 
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