Nick Wilde
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But, like you would expect, there was very small traffic flow, and you could barely move without bumping into someone. I was surprised to see that Knockturn Alley was actually very empty, compared to the main Alley.
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The Sorcerer's Apprentice Season 2: International Edition - Discussion Thread
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Sam Magic
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Well look at the films and books, it is supposed to be like that.
Nick Wilde
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I know they want accuracy, but to substitute comfort and function for it? No.
LittleGiants16
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Got to agree here. Sometimes function has to take precedence over form. It's like a chair; it can be the best looking chair ever, but if it's uncomfortable as hell what good is it as a chair? A land can be incredibly detailed, but if you can't move who cares?
Besides, Sam, 90% of park guests wouldn't pick up that the area is supposed to be small because of the books. I wouldn't and neither did Aaron. Most details go completely unnoticed and some even cause more problems than they're worth.
Unfortunately, that's the way Rowling wanted it, and that's how it was done.
Sam Magic
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But isn't that the joy of imagineering? Most guest could not care about all the detail and thought that goes in to these parks, but those that understand it appreciate it. You can't please everyone...but I do think all the streets should have been wider or at least have more 'blocks' to even out the traffic.
LittleGiants16
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And, with all due respect, that's why the imagineers don't run the company. As maligned as the suits at corporate Disney may be, they are steering the company in a direction that the shareholders, and Wall Street, like. The cost of Disney stock has doubled in the past year or so and, as a shareholder, that's my ultimate goal for the company. I love the parks as much as the next guy, but the parks cost A LOT of money, a significant portion of which goes to the 'details' of the parks. Details cost money my friend and, while fun to toy with, they do go unnoticed by the majority of your consumers. This then begs the question, if a business's main consumer base does not notice certain details about the product which cost money, can said business be blamed for cutting out those details and, thus, increasing overall profit?
Sam Magic
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Then you have the market complaining about the parks becoming run down. It is a loose loose situation, the guest do not notice all the detail, but when you take them out they know something is wrong.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
I don't think Disney has let up of a Details, with the possible exception of Disney studios Paris and the old Pre-refurb DCA era projects. What they have allowed to drop is maintenance. They've adopted a "run it half working until the next major refurb / ride closure" philosophy, instead of rigorous daily ride and attraction maintenance. Not to say they don't maintain, the certainly do...but, not at e level of detail one might have expected 20 years ago.
With Animal I kingdom, they layered in tons of details, that...largely go misunderstood or under appreciated. That's why I think whenever you hear an interview with an Imagineer like Rhode or one who was deeply involved with the project, they always sound a bit desperate to point out all the details and story...
Because, they did a bad job of telling one, partially by making everything HAVE a story instead of focusing on the environment as a whole and the larger story they were trying to tell.
Could I have done better? Probably not, but it's a reason why it is rarely someone's favorite park, and many consider it a half day experience.
I don't think it's a matter of budget, alone, either. Cuts have always been made to Disney Rides and Concepts, even when Walt was approving things. Granted, he was more willing to take financial risks, but he was also very creative in how to get things funded without it costing Disney the full total. This environment largely does not exist today. With a a few exceptions, corporations are not willing to sponsor individual attractions any longer. That ship has sailed.
Another function is exposure. For example, I ride Imagination and think...what a cheap imitation of a once fantastic ride. My daughter, who has only known this version, adores it, and it is one of her favorites. My point is, the things I look for and miss as "details", are not the same as her (and likely many others have their own opinions).
With DA, Universal had a few challenges, which having not seen it in person I can't speak to, but from what I have seen, it appears they rose to well.
1). Not a lot of space. This thing was meant to largely fit within the constraints of the Jaws ride.
2). Rowlings demands. She made specific and seemingly (at the time) unworkable demands for WWOHP, and she did the same here. But, they later proved to pay off...big time.
The only thing I'll add when it comes to crowds is that you must remember this is the opening season. Give it a year or two and I suspect things will level out, just like they did at WWOHP.
With Animal I kingdom, they layered in tons of details, that...largely go misunderstood or under appreciated. That's why I think whenever you hear an interview with an Imagineer like Rhode or one who was deeply involved with the project, they always sound a bit desperate to point out all the details and story...
Because, they did a bad job of telling one, partially by making everything HAVE a story instead of focusing on the environment as a whole and the larger story they were trying to tell.
Could I have done better? Probably not, but it's a reason why it is rarely someone's favorite park, and many consider it a half day experience.
I don't think it's a matter of budget, alone, either. Cuts have always been made to Disney Rides and Concepts, even when Walt was approving things. Granted, he was more willing to take financial risks, but he was also very creative in how to get things funded without it costing Disney the full total. This environment largely does not exist today. With a a few exceptions, corporations are not willing to sponsor individual attractions any longer. That ship has sailed.
Another function is exposure. For example, I ride Imagination and think...what a cheap imitation of a once fantastic ride. My daughter, who has only known this version, adores it, and it is one of her favorites. My point is, the things I look for and miss as "details", are not the same as her (and likely many others have their own opinions).
With DA, Universal had a few challenges, which having not seen it in person I can't speak to, but from what I have seen, it appears they rose to well.
1). Not a lot of space. This thing was meant to largely fit within the constraints of the Jaws ride.
2). Rowlings demands. She made specific and seemingly (at the time) unworkable demands for WWOHP, and she did the same here. But, they later proved to pay off...big time.
The only thing I'll add when it comes to crowds is that you must remember this is the opening season. Give it a year or two and I suspect things will level out, just like they did at WWOHP.
DinoInstitute
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Have any of you heard of Myachi? It is a very annoying toy if not. I recommend avoiding it or the sound of you only failing with it will forever clog your thoughts
Well, at least that's my take on it
Well, at least that's my take on it
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Is that anything like a tamagotchi?Have any of you heard of Myachi? It is a very annoying toy if not. I recommend avoiding it or the sound of you only failing with it will forever clog your thoughts
Well, at least that's my take on it
DinoInstitute
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No...it is "the original hand sack"!
I won a box at a themepark yesterday. As well as a plush penguin and a pillow with the park logo on it. IT is not a very high quality pillow
I won a box at a themepark yesterday. As well as a plush penguin and a pillow with the park logo on it. IT is not a very high quality pillow
Sam Magic
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Wicked if you have never seen it. Newsies is nice, but the film (IMO) is much better. I was actually in Beauty and the Beast and played Lumiere (not Broadway, theater group here in LA), but it is really close to the film. The only thing that is different (that I can recall) is the song Human Again which is now featured in the dvd/blueray versions of the film. So I would go to Wicked, it is just phenomenal.
Sam Magic
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Rings a bell...Have any of you heard of Myachi? It is a very annoying toy if not. I recommend avoiding it or the sound of you only failing with it will forever clog your thoughts
Well, at least that's my take on it
tcool
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Okay... will see if I can make Wicked cause now I forgot the dates they were for.
MonorailRed
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I'd go Newsies if it were me… But I love Newsies…
Wicked is… awesome … I'm not going to lie…
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MonorailRed
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Also, on the "Musical" topic…. Shrek the Musical is now on Netflix… So, If your a musical person, I highly recommend it, it'd pretty… hilarious… 
LittleGiants16
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Kristin Chenoweth for life. (But for real, I'd probably marry her tomorrow.)
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