The Parks are like a Sports Team

SplashJacket

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When a sports team constantly loses and is seemingly neglected by its owners, the fans notice and the support wears off. The die hards stick on, but most people move on for greener pastures.

Then some winning happens, some excitement brews, perhaps the team makes an unexpected playoff appearance to end their decade long drought. Even though the team was a first round exit, that didn’t matter, the team got there.

The next year, there are real expectations, the team makes the playoffs, makes the semi-final game and loses. No one cares, everyone is super excited the team got this far. Sure, would’ve been nice to go all the way, but that’s what next year is for.

And they do. The team is on top of the world. Everyone is happy, everyone is thrilled, people are buying merchandise like crazy, everyone is happy to support their team. Some crazies are even willing to buy dirt from the big game.

The next year the team has a lot of support and continued excitement. The team as a result increases ticket prices, parking, etc. The team makes a late playoff exit and the fans are disappointed.

The next year the prices stay high and the team gets an early playoff exit. Now the fans are annoyed, angry, and frustrated.

I think this hypothetical cycle I have witnessed elements of in both myself and many other people (like my professor who hilariously bought World Series dirt for an astronomically high price after a surprise win) but is now disappointed with even superb performance.

It’s no secret that Disney parks were neglected in the early 2000s, especially after Everest opened in 2006. Really nothing new came to the parks. Attendance was low, profits were low, etc.

Then in 2012, New Fantasyland opened, and while I wasn’t on the forums back then, having something new, anything at all, was very welcome. It showed a lot of potential. It wasn’t the best thing since sliced bread, but it included incredible and beautiful theming. Only if we got more.

In 2017, Pandora opened. An exceptional land with arguably the best simulator in the world, fantastic place making, just overall gorgeous execution by Joe Rhode. Attendance soared at AK. People loved it. Absolute winner. We want more.

In 2018, Toy Story Land opens and people, on here especially, are disappointed by its one-dimensionality and lack of depth. “Is this is?” and “why didn’t they do more?” comes to mind. The land opens without real merchandizing capabilities, but people just want more.

In 2019, Galaxy’s Edge opens featuring Rise of the Resistance (eventually) and Smuggler’s Run. There’s much debate over Galaxy’s Edge, but based on the scope of the expansion, assume this is essentially winning a championship, just perhaps sloppily. This time, though, Disney came prepared to profit off their expansion, announcing something called “Disney Genie” would eventually arrive at the parks, and the plethora of merchandise locations and up-charge experiences available to guests.

In 2020, MMRR opens, covid shuts down the world, etc.

In 2021, Ratatouille arrives to a very warm reception, especially with the creation of its new area, but Disney Genie arrives as well, creating headaches and frustration for all kinds of fans.

In 2022, Guardians of the Galaxy opens.

In 2023, Tron opens.

Guests and general sentiment among the fans are extremely negative at the moment, even surrounding seemingly positive features, and I honestly think we’ve entered a phase where Disney needs to deliver a championship-level win consistently, and not rely on small projects to hold its guests over, especially now that they’re reaping the rewards of past experiments. During the championship times, it’s easy to squeeze the fans and demand championship prices, but failing to deliver on championship expectations while your prices reflect those ambitions, really sours your fan base.

In summary, a bizarre fever-induced connection.
 

Smiley/OCD

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As an almost 40 year NY Jets fan (and season ticket holder), no one knows better how August feels getting psyched up for the season only to come to the realization at week 3 that it’s another wasted year. My wife and kids know when I die, I want all 4 pall bearers to wear Jets jerseys so they can let me down ONE LAST TIME…that being said, I don’t think the comparison is exactly the same because sports fans have a vested interest in their team whether they’re at the game or watching it on TV.

There is a large contingent of park goers who are going for the first or second time and really don’t have the same horse in the race as we super fans do…for US, maybe, but to the average park goers, it kinda like comparing apples to 2x4’s…it’s an interesting concept though…
 

SplashJacket

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As an almost 40 year NY Jets fan (and season ticket holder), no one knows better how August feels getting psyched up for the season only to come to the realization at week 3 that it’s another wasted year. My wife and kids know when I die, I want all 4 pall bearers to wear Jets jerseys so they can let me down ONE LAST TIME…that being said, I don’t think the comparison is exactly the same because sports fans have a vested interest in their team whether they’re at the game or watching it on TV.

There is a large contingent of park goers who are going for the first or second time and really don’t have the same horse in the race as we super fans do…for US, maybe, but to the average park goers, it kinda like comparing apples to 2x4’s…it’s an interesting concept though…
I meant the comparison primarily for die-hards, where I’d argue park investment and success does actually matter.

Lots of people enjoy sporting events from their homes, and year over year, prices don’t really change win or lose, but in a stadium with a winning versus losing product, prices can soar for concessions, parking, entry, etc.

I also really would like to emphasize the fever-induced portion of the post. Looked back over my posts these past few days and they’re pretty hilarious (from my perspective), as most were all written with a fever ranging from 102° to 105°.
 

UpAllNight

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I’ve been tipped into the “not worth the effort” category for Disney World this past year. The negatives outweighed the pros, so although we were fortunate enough to do 2 trips to Orlando in a year, the second trip we did Universal/SeaWorld/Busch for a week & didn’t touch Disney.

For me it wasn’t really about the rides just the chipping away of the experience, and there was a moment I can pinpoint where we just thought “we’re not having a good time here”

There’s a feeling, for us anyway, that the resorts are overpriced and you pay it for the perks - like location and early entry.

We were at MK late on an evening, got a packed bus back to Caribbean Beach, and then set an alarm to wake us up 6 hours later so we could make early entrance to AK. Early entry at 7am was almost offensive to us, it made us question if anyone from management had done a break to Disney. Would they like setting an alarm at 5.30am-6am for half an hour early entry?!

We turn up, there’s hordes of crowds all jostling to rush to Pandora and I got my heals clipped 3 times. Tired, aching we just thought, this isn’t worth the money we’ve spent - this isn’t a holiday.

And the contrast to Universal where everything, including early entry, was seamless, provided that stark contrast. We’ve just experienced it again in DLP which was a delight.

Some people take pleasure from the tiredness and worn out feeling of doing a Disney trip, but I think that disappears when you experience an alternative.
 

Lilofan

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As an almost 40 year NY Jets fan (and season ticket holder), no one knows better how August feels getting psyched up for the season only to come to the realization at week 3 that it’s another wasted year. My wife and kids know when I die, I want all 4 pall bearers to wear Jets jerseys so they can let me down ONE LAST TIME…that being said, I don’t think the comparison is exactly the same because sports fans have a vested interest in their team whether they’re at the game or watching it on TV.

There is a large contingent of park goers who are going for the first or second time and really don’t have the same horse in the race as we super fans do…for US, maybe, but to the average park goers, it kinda like comparing apples to 2x4’s…it’s an interesting concept though…
I wad so proud of the Jets, 1982 season until AJ Duhe of the Fins got in the way.
 

TomboyJanet

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This is a pretty good summary. I think the problem is that they have no idea what they are doing right now. They are starting to knock out TOP TIER rides like Splash Mountain and replacing them with at best Legoland quality rides. I mean Six Flags now has a shooter ride with a joker and cyborg animatronic and that's more animatronics than are in the entire Toy Story Mania ride. Now that like averagely themed themeparks are upping their game to that level we don't really see Disney rising above it with anything next gen.

I think it's probably dead now (hopefully) but the Nightmarish BLACK BOX ride concept is really what made me pause dead in my tracks and say "WAIT UP GIRL! I know Disney was basically the most important place to you growing up but ITS NOT THE PLACE YOU KNEW. It's starting to feel like the same experience you get walking into a BJ's store. Swarms of anxiety and very plain real life looking things. Had that become the new standard along with Splash Mountain closing would actually be enough to shake me. I'm a DIE HARD Disney fan like I'm talking the main focus of my life sometimes is to get to the next Disney trip, and if you're doing something to shake ME off.......you have a MAJOR problem on your hands.

If they want to step up their game They HAVE to really start playing it again. Right now they are like the basketball players in space jam when they got their talent stolen or whatever. They're focusing on all the wrong things, all this digital nonsense and package opportunities it sounds like I'm signing up for a credit card! I go here to avoid crud like that.

The worst kind of person to run the parks is either one who's focused only on marketing/online crud or one who thinks "The park is only for kids so we'll just throw pretty colors at them and they'll eat it up anyway". That's how you'd run it straight into the ground....


And the black box is gone with Chapek right....? Along with Moana grandma spaceship earth?.......someone please say yes!
 

Riviera Rita

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I lived through the Wilpons and stayed devoted to the team their penny pinching almost wrecked and now Steve Cohen has given us hope.
Scherzer and Verlander could prove oldies can be goodies.
I hope Iger will be the Disney Cohen after the Wilpons that was Chapek, but, I'm not holding my breath. The Mets will win the World Series in a sweep before the parks have the old time guest experience returned.
 

Imhere

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When a sports team constantly loses and is seemingly neglected by its owners, the fans notice and the support wears off. The die hards stick on, but most people move on for greener pastures.


I think this is a great analogy you are making here.

However, I believe the great majority of sports fans, while not 'die-hards', aren't even hard core or knowledgeable fans. I know many many people with season tickets to our state NFL team that don't know much more than who the quarterback is, what their record is, and what the head coaches name is. There are a certain percentage of die-hards, but I bet the percentage of them going to sports games is MUCH larger than the percentage of die-harders attending Disney Theme Parks.

Most Disney visitors aren't on message boards and websites digging up every bit of Disney knowledge. I know so many people that get on Disney's website, schedule a vacation, figure out the few little things they have to do, and that's it.

The majority of visitors have absolutely no interest in what happened in 2014, or 2018, or even yesterday.

Visiting Disney message boards and being super involved in all things Disney leads people to believe everyone is like that. Everyone is not.
 

TalkToEthan

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I think this is a great analogy you are making here.

No, it’s really not:

Outside of the extremely few connected….

if the Miami Dolphins win a Super Bowl I still get no trophy, no recognition, no extra championship cash nor do I get a ring. I get zilch, nada, nothing.

If and when Disney “wins”(ya, good luck with that!)I get to actually ride outstanding attractions. I get to eat great food. I get shuttle service from MCO to my Disney resort, I get to walk on rides with little to no wait. I get to pay low or reasonable prices. I get something tangible.
 

Smiley/OCD

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No, it’s really not:

Outside of the extremely few connected….

if the Miami Dolphins win a Super Bowl I still get no trophy, no recognition, no extra championship cash nor do I get a ring. I get zilch, nada, nothing.

If and when Disney “wins”(ya, good luck with that!)I get to actually ride outstanding attractions. I get to eat great food. I get shuttle service from MCO to my Disney resort, I get to walk on rides with little to no wait. I get to pay low or reasonable prices. I get something tangible.
Sure you get something…higher season ticket prices…
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Premium Member
If and when Disney “wins”(ya, good luck with that!)I get to actually ride outstanding attractions. I get to eat great food. I get shuttle service from MCO to my Disney resort, I get to walk on rides with little to no wait. I get to pay low or reasonable prices. I get something tangible.

If and when Disney wins, I promise you - you will not be walking on rides with little to no wait. Nor will you get to pay low or reasonable rates. You may get better quality food and some neat rides. I'll give you that.
 

TalkToEthan

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Now if I were the team podiatrist for the Oakland A's back in 1989, had a brother who was on Memphis Grizzlies roster who could to set me up with great NBA seats in the finals or even if I served beer up and down the stadium rows for a winning Cubs at Wrigley then, "yes" .

But very few of us have a horse in the race of a team's performance leaving 99% of fans with no tangible rewards. Upon a win for us, the unconnected, only one-Disney- has real stakes.
 

No Name

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I mean Six Flags now has a shooter ride with a joker and cyborg animatronic and that's more animatronics than are in the entire Toy Story Mania ride.
And it’s a far worse ride than TSMM. At least to, ya know, the millions of people who judge things based on their enjoyment of it instead of based on a headcount of specific machinery 🙄
 

TomboyJanet

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And it’s a far worse ride than TSMM. At least to, ya know, the millions of people who judge things based on their enjoyment of it instead of based on a headcount of specific machinery 🙄
The way I see it what part of Toy story mania can you not replicate in a simple arcade machine?
 

Big T 1963

Member
Could be worst if your a Philadelphia Flyers fan who has been waiting for another Stanley Cup win since 73-74 at least my Eagles finally won the in 2017 .... I agree with your analogy SplashZander I really was upset with the changes like the Disney Dining Plan, Fast Pass and changing the park reservation and park hopping procedures...Back in the early 2010's I felt I was getting more bang for my buck Yes price increases will always happen but when you chip away of small perks it gets to be a little too much ... Also one thing you didn't point out How's the Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser working out hmmm interesting
 

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