The Mission: Space bashing news keeps comming

napnet

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Norfolk man survived Disney ride, barely
BY RICK FOSTER/SUN CHRONICLE STAFF

NORFOLK -- A 57-year-old local man says he became ill and passed out twice after enduring a 4 1/2 -minute ride on Mission: Space at Florida's Disney World theme park on which two tourists have died in the past 10 months.

`` They have signs before you enter the ride to warn if you have high blood pressure or dizziness, but you really don't see what you're getting into,'' said Paul Borne, a sales representative who rode Mission: Space during a Feb. 28 visit to the Orlando attraction with his wife and son. Borne said he became sick after the ride and again the next morning and passed out twice on the plane while returning to Boston.
He later underwent two days of tests at Massachusetts General Hospital.

A German woman died Wednesday after falling ill on the ride which features a spinning space flight simulator. A four-year-old boy died in June after going on the ride.

The Orlando Sentinel reported Thursday that besides the two deaths, 10 other people have reported serious illnesses or injuries since the ride's opening in 2003. Under Florida state law, theme park operators and not the state are responsible for regulating such attractions.

The Mission: Space ride remains open to the public.

Borne said he has no history of health problems and that doctors told him his illness was most likely the result of the ride. He said he did not report his experience to Disney officials.

The Norfolk resident said he was seated in a space `` capsule'' along with three other people for the ride, which he described as intense. He said he doesn't necessarily think Mission: Space should be shut down, but would like to see a better description of what it entails given to guests.

`` If I saw what it was, I probably wouldn't go on it,'' he said.

Besides state-of-the-art simulations that include videos and centrifugal force, Mission: Space also contains a feature not found on most amusement rides: throw-up bags.

Borne says the space ride isn't for everyone.

`` It's wild,'' he said.


http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2006/04/15/city/city1.txt
 

NeedABreak

New Member
napnet said:
you really don't see what you're getting into

Don't see what your getting into?

Does Gary Seniess (sp) not warn you like 1/2 dozen times that you are getting into a certrafuge (sp again)?

They show you a video of what the ride is from the outside, they show it running, spinning around and warn you "Hey look out we are gonna spin the dickens out of you!":brick:
 

napnet

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Original Poster
MrNonacho said:
I hardly think that's bashing. He even said he doesn't want to see the ride closed.

Yeah i may have been a little harsh but i just wonder how many more of the 'i almost died on mission space' stories will come up. I just view it as bashing since it seems like they are just piling it on. The title of the story was ...
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
That's odd, they keep saying "You don't know what you're getting into." HELLO! There's a display of what the capsul looks like as you enter the attraciton. Several monitors in the control room show the centrifuges spinning.
 

MrNonacho

Premium Member
imagineer boy said:
Several monitors in the control room show the centrifuges spinning.

Well, they show a shoddy CGI representation of the centrifuges spinning. It's one thing to see these renderings and another thing altogether to stand at the exit doors as it's running and peek in. You really don't get a sense of the power unless you see the real thing. I would love to see these videos redone, with a healthy dose of genuine in-the-bay footage. I'm not sure of the plausibility of obtaining said footage, however. It's not exactly the safest place in the world for a videographer.
 

Epcot82Guy

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There is a definite argument to be made that, despite Disney's BEST efforts, people just don't pay as close attention to these warnings because they tend to be sensationalized. However, a full display of the attractin does not seem necessary.
 

napnet

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Epcot82Guy said:
There is a definite argument to be made that, despite Disney's BEST efforts, people just don't pay as close attention to these warnings because they tend to be sensationalized. However, a full display of the attractin does not seem necessary.

Everyone will never pay attention... even if you had them sign a waver before riding a ride agreeing that they read what the ride intails, they wouldn't really read it. In college, for IM's we had to sign wavers saying i couldnt sue FSU for any reason... but i never read that waver till i did get hurt, i just always signed it so i could play.
 

DisneyMedic

New Member
Ok gang,


Come on now. IN my opinon MS is one of the best attractions that Disney has come up with. There reall is nothing llike it. However, any one remeber the gravatron at the county fair?? It is the same Idea only kicked up a few notches. This ride plays havic with your sences, but that is what real space flight dose as well. There are more than enough signs and videos before you get on board. yes people do not pay attention but I beleave that is there problem. In this case Disney has done there job in warnning people properly. In fact some times in think too much.

Alot of people see these warnings and chicken out. I remember the good old days when rides and attractions did not have to have all these warnings and signs ect.. You left the attraction saying, Dam how did they do that. Well times change and so do people. Yes it is sad that people have died after goin on this ride, however it has been folks with medical conditions that contributed to the death not the ride. The ride is INTENCE but I do not beleave it is causing the deaths. People know what they are getting into and make the call weather to go or not.

Also the press puts there spin on these events and helps to bring down the magic and fuel debate.

I say leave the attraction alone and if you do not pay attention to the signs and ride then its on you.

Mission Space is an Awsome ride and I love it but even I know not to ride it if I have a head cold as the preasure from my congestion will build with the G-forces. It all comes down to people being smart.
 

MickeyTigg

New Member
I'm sorry this is a prime example of guests not paying attention no matter how many warnings....come on...MS has at least a half dozen warnings before you get on.

I just don't know what else Disney can do to keep people off the ride that shouldn't ride.
 

jmicro59

Member
TiggerRPh said:
I'm sorry this is a prime example of guests not paying attention no matter how many warnings....come on...MS has at least a half dozen warnings before you get on.

I just don't know what else Disney can do to keep people off the ride that shouldn't ride.

I agree with ya 100% TiggerRPH. As for what else Disney can do, imagine all of the negative stories that would flood the papers if Disney started picking people who didn't look like they were ok to ride M:S.. "They said I looked like I had high blood pressure and didn't look healthy", would be the quotes. Unfortunately Disney is stuck, as are any park operator because they have to assume that a person entering a park ride has the intelligence level to read the warning signs and believe that person will take the appropriate measures. But Disney can't force the reflection of the warning sign on to that persons cornea and then to the optic nerve, force the nerve signal to the brain then force the neurons to the hippocampus and then off to the frontal lobe. Or at least not yet. :lol:
 

dig8x

New Member
There is one problem with saying its the guests fault. Both the people that died on this ride did not know they had a medical condition that would cause them problems. Add to the fact that nearly every ride at the parks have the same warnings and are cake walks. Add also that your at Disney World, a Theme Park Resort that is geared mostly for kids.

When you add all that in, i can see why people go on the ride. Its sad that someone died on a ride there, but i do not hold Disney, or the Guest at fault. There is nothing to blame, but bad hearts. I do think the ride should be taken out, or at least changed however. When you look at the statistics on that ride, you see that it is by far, the most dangerous ride at the parks. It is a fairly common thing for someone to come out of it, and vomit, if not worse. If you have to pass out Vomit bags on a ride, it shouldn't exist in my openion. There are plenty of other rides they could build into that area.

As a side note, i have never been on this ride, and will never go on this ride. I have read the warnings, as well as the horror stories about it. A short thrill is not worth taking the chance of loosing my life. Just because your at Disney does not make you safe. Just because you think you are healthy does not mean you are. And i use that caution, and will not ride Mission: Space.
 

RetiredFRN

Active Member
Ok, I guess I have to put my two cents in too. I have been to DW many times and have ridden MS. Yes it is a very intense ride but you are also at an AMUSEMENT park. As a retired flight nurse who rode on a helicopter for thirteen years, I thought I would be fine riding MS, but even I felt a little queasy coming off the ride. Was that Disneys fault?? Of course not, I made the decision to go on the ride. I read the warnings and made an informed decision. People have to take responsibility for themselves (and their health). Yes it is unfortunate and sad that people have died after going on this ride. And yes if the ride malfunctions or someone is let on that is too small to ride than yes the responsibility should rest on Disneys shoulders. Unfortunate accidents happen everyday, but people need to be realistic about their health and take some responsibility for their actions.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
dig8x said:
There is one problem with saying its the guests fault. Both the people that died on this ride did not know they had a medical condition that would cause them problems. .

I would say that assertion is pretty much false. I think it is clear the woman knew she suffered from severe hypertension.
 

bassman

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:mad: :fork: ime sorry but this has got too stop, just because someone says that they passed out twice after riding M:S does'nt mean that it was M:S that caused it,for all we know that guy could suffer from vertigo of something and been on soarin on the front row,does that mean that soarins a bad ride. the guy even said 'its not for everyone', well then if its not for you,DONT GO ON IT!!!.and you can see what your getting into as you get on it and you can even ask a cast member what it does.
 

executivechef

New Member
Assume....

You can assume the woman knew her health status, but in fact you really cannot say she did. Unless her doctor comes forward and tells her history no one knows what her health was.
No one is aware of their health unless you've been checked by a doctor. You believe your heart is good and will be alright during the ride because of what? Never had a problem before? Or have you had tests?
A heart condition can be a birth defect or from many other causes. If you haven't been through the proper testing, you don't know.
Although the ride has warnings one has to know if they apply to them.
Disney is posting does and don'ts...But the first way to avoid putting yourself in any danger of health issues or death is not to risk it.
Even with a doctor to clear you in good health, nothing is 100%. He's a doc, not God.
Guy
 

PigletIsMyCat

Well-Known Member
Didn't some guy die on Peter Pan because he got caught on the belt and dragged under the ship? THAT could be construed as Disney's fault - there should have been someone watching by the e-stop in case something like that happened. A woman going on M:S that knows she suffers from an alreay life-threatening illness and then dying later, POSSIBLY as a result of the ride exacerbating her condition? Her fault. If you do not take your health in to your own hands and be responsible for it, too bad. IMHO, at least. The people who have died on M:S could have died drinking a smoothie in Tomorrowland, or eating a turkey leg in MGM. Or, especially, on the plane to Orlando. I think the calls for the ride to be re-engineered or shut-down are ridiculous. It is a very well designed, well maintained, and popular ride. Disney has made the ride safe for the majority of visitors, and has placed multiple warning signs at the ride.

I would be interested to know how many people have ridden M:S in the past year, and compare that to the two deaths that M:S could POSSIBLY have been partially responsible for. With any place that attracts the kinds of crowds that Disney does on a regular basis, it is very likely that there would be a few deaths a year.
 

Iakona

Member
Timmay said:
I would say that assertion is pretty much false. I think it is clear the woman knew she suffered from severe hypertension.

Exactly. From the statements regarding the prelim. autopsy I would say the woman from Germany knew of her condition because it said "severe, long standing high blood pressure,"

The long standing aspect leads me to believe that this was a known condition.

This link is to a local story here in New England.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/8691428/detail.html

This person did NOT read the complete warning, is very heavy and suffers from high blood pressure. But somehow he and his wife blame Disney for their inability to read a warning sign and act responsibly.
 

GrimGhost

Member
MrNonacho said:
I hardly think that's bashing. He even said he doesn't want to see the ride closed.
In fact, he did just that.

"The ride itself? It was wild. It was dizzy. They had puke bags. I would never have gotten on it if I knew it had puke bags. They give you warnings and stuff, but all the rides have warnings," Borne said. "This thing, they gotta close it down."
 

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