The Magic, The Memories and You Replacing Wishes?

[WDWRLD]

I too must admit the show was much better than I imagined....well done. Some of those effects were excelent and I can see big things in the future of the nighttime fireworks shows. Can you imagine if they used this for the parts of the show where Capt Hook storms the Castle, using the viseo fire effects instead of just lights would be spectacular. And the end where the video fireworks matched up to the real fireworks was amazing.

 

[menamechris]

I completely agree, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them eventually make this one combined show - cut the fireworks back considerably and do them in conjunction with the projection show. One show, 60% castle projection 40% fireworks. They would save thousands every day.

Hey, you never know! Anything is possible. Just a couple more thoughts I had though. Just for fun and discussion purposes....

Wishes is actually the cheapest nighttime show they have. The figure is said to be around $30,000 a show. Compared to Illuminations at half a million dollars. Huge difference right? (And yes, I know Siemens sponsors it, but as we know, sponsorships can and do bail, leaving Disney with the bill). So why risk upsetting guests to save MAYBE $10,000 a night? To a company on the scale of Disney, there is very little kickback for that. (Not to mention that one of those projector's lights supposedly costs thousands of dollars to replace). Now if I was management and nighttime entertainment needed to be scaled back, I would be looking more into replacing Illuminations with something like World of Color, and save hundreds of thousands of dollars a night... Just food for thought...

 

[dsollie]

I'm also wondering of showing it 20 minutes before Wishes isn't a test to see how many people will show up for it on a nightly basis. Otherwise, they'd just put it directly before Wishes without that much of a break in-between. Surely they don't want people out of the shops and restaurants as well as clogging up Main Street for another half hour for no reason.

Isn't that what already happens, a lot of milling around for a half hour between the MSEP and Wishes? I am not sure that this helps the congestion issue or makes it worse, I think it just gives the guests with small children something else to do while they are sitting around waiting for Wishes. :shrug:

 

[dsollie]

Wishes is actually the cheapest nighttime show they have. The figure is said to be around $30,000 a show. Compared to Illuminations at half a million dollars. Huge difference right? (And yes, I know Siemens sponsors it, but as we know, sponsorships can and do bail, leaving Disney with the bill).

Call me a skeptic, but huh? Seriously? This is not the figure I have heard. Please provide your source if you wouldn't mind. :veryconfu

 

[kcnole]

There is no way that Illuminations cost half a million dollars to run a night.

"I completely agree, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them eventually make this one combined show - cut the fireworks back considerably and do them in conjunction with the projection show. One show, 60% castle projection 40% fireworks. They would save thousands every day."

I wouldn't either, but I don't necessarily think that would be bad. I don't want to see the projection technology used just to use it, but it could significantly impact the quality of the show and allow for sections with little to no fireworks. I wouldn't be bothered by that as long as the show still had significant fireworks and great heart. I'd love to be able to see some of the characters flying around the castle or images visualizing many of the rides you rode previously in the day to end the show. I used to love Disneyland's old show that had sections for every land in the park.

 

[menamechris]

Call me a skeptic, but huh? Seriously? This is not the figure I have heard. Please provide your source if you wouldn't mind. :veryconfu

That was actually offered up on the Backstage Magic tour I took a couple years ago. They actually made a point of saying it - no one asked. That's where I heard Wishes was 30k too.

 

[menamechris]

There is no way that Illuminations cost half a million dollars to run a night.

Lol, don't shoot me. I am just telling you what they are (being told) to tell guests.

 

[kcnole]

The number I have heard was 50,000 dollars which still seems high. There's no way they're spending 500,000 dollars a night. You do realize that would come out to a cost of 182,500,000 dollars a year. I think someone just got an extra zero in a calculation somewhere. At 50,000 that's still 18 million dollars a year which is striking in and of itself.

 

[menamechris]

The number I have heard was 50,000 dollars which still seems high. There's no way they're spending 500,000 dollars a night. You do realize that would come out to a cost of 182,500,000 dollars a year. I think someone just got an extra zero in a calculation somewhere. At 50,000 that's still 18 million dollars a year which is striking in and of itself.

That sounds logical. I really dont have any reason to disagree....ha!

I agree that even 50k seems like a lot of money, but... Disney is supposedly the largest consumer of fireworks in the world. I am sure they have deals that get them fireworks at the cheapest rate possible, if they dont own some division that makes them or something. I actually don't think that it is the fireworks themselves that cost the money when they quote this stuff; I think its it the labor and paying pyrotechnists to do it every day. I am sure it takes a small army to do all that work, and I am sure it is good money... Just a thought

 

[WDW Monorail]

Hey, you never know! Anything is possible. Just a couple more thoughts I had though. Just for fun and discussion purposes....

Wishes is actually the cheapest nighttime show they have. The figure is said to be around $30,000 a show. Compared to Illuminations at half a million dollars. Huge difference right? (And yes, I know Siemens sponsors it, but as we know, sponsorships can and do bail, leaving Disney with the bill). So why risk upsetting guests to save MAYBE $10,000 a night? To a company on the scale of Disney, there is very little kickback for that. (Not to mention that one of those projector's lights supposedly costs thousands of dollars to replace). Now if I was management and nighttime entertainment needed to be scaled back, I would be looking more into replacing Illuminations with something like World of Color, and save hundreds of thousands of dollars a night... Just food for thought...

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[Neverland]

Wishes is actually the cheapest nighttime show they have. The figure is said to be around $30,000 a show.

I know some of the pyro team from Wishes; the figure's closer to $12,000. However, if you want a private showing, it'll cost you $60,000! I'm not even sure if that includes renting out the park; it might be just for them to do the show.

 

[mm52200]

But remember Fantasmic was added to keep people in the Studios through the night...but now they've cut back the showings and seem to just throw that theory right out the window...

 

[menamechris]

But remember Fantasmic was added to keep people in the Studios through the night...but now they've cut back the showings and seem to just throw that theory right out the window...

This is true, but now HS really only stays open till 7 or 8. Sometimes 9 during peak seasons when it is REALLY crowded. So many of the shows that make up HS are outside and require sunlight, so theres really no sense in trying to keep a packed park at night to go to 3 attractions. I am not sure their method, but the management seems to use Fantasmic now to steer the crowds to HS during certain days. Why else would they do 2 shows a night for 3 nights a week, as opposed to just putting it on once every night? I dunno....

 

[mm52200]

^^^They did it to cut back and save money. Also while many of DHS's shows are outdoors, they all have lighting systems, they just don't choose to run them later into the evening. The reason DHS is only open to 7 or 8 some nights is because they don't show F! those nights. If they showed it every night the park would be open later.

 

[magiconmainstrt]

Just viewed the video of the show--it is amazing..nothing like I expected-
Cant wait to see it in real life--although since we are going in Dec not to sure if they it will be possible with the "ice castle" I'm thinking not though..


In any case, looks like a magical treat for all to view---what will they think of next?:shrug:

 

[WDW FTW]

But remember Fantasmic was added to keep people in the Studios through the night...but now they've cut back the showings and seem to just throw that theory right out the window...

Yea they claim to cut back the showtimes. but luckily we went to MGM (yea i said it) as our last park last year and they had a "suprise showing" that day. So dont follow the schedules exactly :drevil:

 

[menamechris]

I am glad they realize HS doesn't need to be open any later unless it is a peak season. You can pretty much do everything by dinnertime without problem. If they are going to cut costs, that is a great place to do it, until they have added some substantial attractions to the park...