The Haunted Mansion's Hat Box Ghost...?

EPCOT Explorer

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Morning, Magic.


So, it seems that Disneyland's Haunted Mansion has reopened after it's transformation to Haunted Mansion Holiday and back again to the classic show. However, before all of this, it was highly rumored that the Hat Box Ghost would return when HMH was removed...Needless to say, he didn't. Other news sources and other websites point to his forthcoming addition, but it will be later than expected and made into a sort of event.

...However, this is a WDW Board! Where to WE fit in? I know that WDI has actively looked in the Mansion for so that HatBox can be added, but that was quite a while ago. I also know that there IS a space for him directly across from the bride.

Anyone thinking that the Hat Box Ghosts will appear simultaneously on both coasts, or will DL just get him? Certainly hope we get him, too...His backstory is a great one, and really adds to the aura of the mansion.

Thanks!
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Hurrrryyy baaaack....hurrry baaaaaack.....:D
 

WDW Vacationer

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I would certainly hope he would come to both coasts. It seems they add effects to both coasts (Leota,bride),although in those 2 cases it was a little later.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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I would certainly hope he would come to both coasts. It seems they add effects to both coasts (Leota,bride),although in those 2 cases it was a little later.

Speaking of Leota...Is she floating in DL again? I had heard that she was deactivated over there, seeing she was broken.
 

cdunbar

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Speaking of Leota...Is she floating in DL again? I had heard that she was deactivated over there, seeing she was broken.
Somebody told me that she was on fishing lure in DL and it wasn't the very thin stuff and it was very obvious that she was not floating but on fishing line...:shrug:
 

EPCOT Explorer

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I have never really read about the hatbox ghost what is so special about it?

I'm not expert, so HMF will have to tidy up my post, but...Hatty was one of the original effects in the DL Mansion, and as pictured was worked on by Yale Gracey. A very spooky effect, the Ghost's head would disappear and reappear in the Hat Box he was carrying...JUST as you saw the bride, and all of her decapitated husbands. I THINK he's supposed to be George, the last one.

However, the effect never worked exactly right, and he was pulled from the Mansion.

Let me go do some digging to see how wrong I am. :lol:
 

cdunbar

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I'm not expert, so HMF will have to tidy up my post, but...Hatty was one of the original effects in the DL Mansion, and as pictured was worked on by Yale Gracey. A very spooky effect, the Ghost's head would disappear and reappear in the Hat Box he was carrying...JUST as you saw the bride, and all of her decapitated husbands. I THINK he's supposed to be George, the last one.

However, the effect never worked exactly right, and he was pulled from the Mansion.

Let me go do some digging to see how wrong I am. :lol:
Doombuggies did an article on him awhile back, lemme see if I can find it...
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Here we are!

Doombuggies.com said:
There was a character in the original Haunted Mansion attic scene which was removed almost immediately after the attraction opened to the public. The mysterious Bride has always been there, waiting for guests at the atic window, with a lonely flickering candle and eerie glowing eyes. But at one time, she had a suitor, of sorts.

Standing to the right of the Doom Buggies near the attic window, where the Bride had been standing (until she was replaced at Disneyland in 2006), was an elderly ghost in a cloak and top hat, leaning on a cane with a wavering hand and clutching a hatbox in the other. As the Bride's heart would beat, this "Hatbox Ghost's" head would disappear from his body, and appear in the hatbox he held in his hand.

Tony Baxter’s take on the “Hatbox Ghost”

In "The 'E' Ticket" Magazine (No. 18), Tony Baxter (Senior VP, Walt Disney Imagineering) provides some unique insight into the infamous "Hatbox Ghost:"

"...My guess is that the Bride is currently in the exact location of the Hatbox Ghost, as there would be a hole in the floor for the base frame of the figure that would be useable at this point. During the pre-opening week (August 1st through the 7th) employees were invited to ride, and during the test rides for durability, we were able to ride for two to four hours at a time without getting off."

(PIctured above, left: Imagineer Yale Gracey adjusts the head in the Hatbox Ghost's box for a publicity photo; above right: Imagineer Collin Campbell's illustration of the Hatbox Ghost for the official "Story and Song" album. Inset, above left: The Hatbox Ghost as he appears in a 1070 children's record.)


Imagineer Tony Baxter talks about the original attic scene, as it was installed in Disneyland when the Haunted Mansion first opened.


Tony Baxter continues: "The Hatbox Ghost was installed and running during this period. It is possible that guests also rode in this time frame and saw the figure. The gag was to have his head become invisible, and then appear in the hatbox and constantly reverse back and forth. Unfortunately, they couldn't get the head on the body to vanish effectively in this location. My theory is that it was designed to work in the same way as the ballroom and they tried to adapt the effect to this more conventional location, and it wasn't convincing. "The bride stood in front of a bunch of props that were also later removed. It seemed like alot of drapery material made from transparent plastic. The original soundtrack from September 1969 shows tracks that have later been removed and others that are curently buried by noise..."

Well, this was excellent conjecture, and pretty close to being right on the money... except for the explanation of the magic behind the illusion. DoomBuggies.com talked with Imagineer Chris Merritt, who is also a Haunted Mansion historian. After hours of study and research through piles of negatives and materials in the WDI archives, Merritt made some interesting discoveries about this short-lived attic character.

(Pictured, left: One of the heads from the Haunted Mansion attraction. This particular sculpture was used both as the head of the proposed Hatbox Ghost and the head of the skeletal Hitchhiking Ghost.)

Chris Merritt ’s take on the “Hatbox Ghost”

In "The 'E' Ticket" (no. 32), Merritt provides some updated explanation regarding the infamous "Hatbox Ghost:"


"...The early Yale Gracey photos [such as the one above] picture an early mock-up - not the production figure installed in the show. I spoke with Imagineer Wayne Jackson, who built the figure in early 1969. He recalls, "...After a few months, we decided to change it out, because the gag wasn't as successful as we hoped." I followed up with Marc Davis, who designed the character. "Walt never bought what they had come up with. I don't recall why we took this out, but we were no longer trying to tell a story about the bride. Walt's attitude was that he didn't want a story, but a series of experiences and situations. Perhaps this figure didn't lend itself to this."

DoomBuggies has since spoken with Merritt about the technical aspects of the illusion. "It wasn't a "Pepper's" illusion at all," Merritt discovered. "The gag was based purely on lighting. The ghost's head was illuminated by black lighting. A light inside the hatbox he held would rhythmically illuminate and hide the head in the hatbox, while, in tandem, the actual head on the ghost's shoulders would be hidden by extinguishing the black lighting."

Apparently, due to the effect's proximity to the Doom Buggy track, the head could never be darkened enough to seem to completely vanish, so the gag was scrapped fairly quickly.

A DoomBuggies.com exclusive: The Hatbox Ghost in the Actual Disneyland Haunted Mansion Attic Scene!

You saw it here first: a vintage photograph of the actual Hatbox Ghost figure as it appeared in the Disneyland Haunted Mansion attic! In this photo, contributed by Haunted Mansion fan Paul Clemens, you can even see the ghost's gleaming gold tooth! This figure is estimated to have been on display for a month or less, and this is the only known photo of the display as it was viewed by riders.
 

cdunbar

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This might give you some info...:wave:
Originally Posted by Doombuggies.com
Hats Off: The Secret of the Attic

There was a character in the original Haunted Mansion attic scene which was removed almost immediately after the attraction opened to the public. The mysterious Bride has always been there, waiting for guests at the atic window, with a lonely flickering candle and eerie glowing eyes. But at one time, she had a suitor, of sorts.
Standing to the right of the Doom Buggies near the attic window, where the Bride had been standing (until she was replaced at Disneyland in 2006), was an elderly ghost in a cloak and top hat, leaning on a cane with a wavering hand and clutching a hatbox in the other. As the Bride's heart would beat, this "Hatbox Ghost's" head would disappear from his body, and appear in the hatbox he held in his hand.
Tony Baxter’s take on the “Hatbox Ghost”
In "The 'E' Ticket" Magazine (No. 18), Tony Baxter (Senior VP, Walt Disney Imagineering) provides some unique insight into the infamous "Hatbox Ghost:"
"...My guess is that the Bride is currently in the exact location of the Hatbox Ghost, as there would be a hole in the floor for the base frame of the figure that would be useable at this point. During the pre-opening week (August 1st through the 7th) employees were invited to ride, and during the test rides for durability, we were able to ride for two to four hours at a time without getting off."




Tony Baxter continues: "The Hatbox Ghost was installed and running during this period. It is possible that guests also rode in this time frame and saw the figure. The gag was to have his head become invisible, and then appear in the hatbox and constantly reverse back and forth. Unfortunately, they couldn't get the head on the body to vanish effectively in this location. My theory is that it was designed to work in the same way as the ballroom and they tried to adapt the effect to this more conventional location, and it wasn't convincing. "The bride stood in front of a bunch of props that were also later removed. It seemed like alot of drapery material made from transparent plastic. The original soundtrack from September 1969 shows tracks that have later been removed and others that are curently buried by noise..."
Well, this was excellent conjecture, and pretty close to being right on the money... except for the explanation of the magic behind the illusion. DoomBuggies.com talked with Imagineer Chris Merritt, who is also a Haunted Mansion historian. After hours of study and research through piles of negatives and materials in the WDI archives, Merritt made some interesting discoveries about this short-lived attic character.
(Pictured, left: One of the heads from the Haunted Mansion attraction. This particular sculpture was used both as the head of the proposed Hatbox Ghost and the head of the skeletal Hitchhiking Ghost.)
Chris Merritt ’s take on the “Hatbox Ghost”
In "The 'E' Ticket" (no. 32), Merritt provides some updated explanation regarding the infamous "Hatbox Ghost:"



"...The early Yale Gracey photos [such as the one above] picture an early mock-up - not the production figure installed in the show. I spoke with Imagineer Wayne Jackson, who built the figure in early 1969. He recalls, "...After a few months, we decided to change it out, because the gag wasn't as successful as we hoped." I followed up with Marc Davis, who designed the character. "Walt never bought what they had come up with. I don't recall why we took this out, but we were no longer trying to tell a story about the bride. Walt's attitude was that he didn't want a story, but a series of experiences and situations. Perhaps this figure didn't lend itself to this."
DoomBuggies has since spoken with Merritt about the technical aspects of the illusion. "It wasn't a "Pepper's" illusion at all," Merritt discovered. "The gag was based purely on lighting. The ghost's head was illuminated by black lighting. A light inside the hatbox he held would rhythmically illuminate and hide the head in the hatbox, while, in tandem, the actual head on the ghost's shoulders would be hidden by extinguishing the black lighting."
Apparently, due to the effect's proximity to the Doom Buggy track, the head could never be darkened enough to seem to completely vanish, so the gag was scrapped fairly quickly.


A DoomBuggies.com exclusive: The Hatbox Ghost in the Actual Disneyland Haunted Mansion Attic Scene!

You saw it here first: a vintage photograph of the actual Hatbox Ghost figure as it appeared in the Disneyland Haunted Mansion attic! In this photo, contributed by Haunted Mansion fan Paul Clemens, you can even see the ghost's gleaming gold tooth! This figure is estimated to have been on display for a month or less, and this is the only known photo of the display as it was viewed by riders.
 

cdunbar

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Currently, or back then?


If a new track was added in, now, it would certainly be a good thing.
Here's what he said:
Originally Posted by HMF:
The Disneyland Haunted Mansion re-opened but sadly the Hatbox Ghost has not yet returned.:( However a Male Laugh is heard now after each line of Constance's dialogue. Don't give up yet folks.:animwink:
 

Expo_Seeker40

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I think it's possible that he will return in a year or two...probably to both HM's. Didn't they make a new pin of him last year? Only it's not of what he looked like in 1969, but rather an updated version of him, resting his hatbox on a bunch of hatboxes piled on top of each other (possibly to hold a new projection effect within them). I ask, because for quite a while now, Disney pins that get released (the one that comes to mind right away in the Disneyland Tinkerbell Float) end up looking very close to the final full scale version.

After all, Connie didn't show up in the HM right after it reopened at Disneyland a couple years back, it took time.
 

cdunbar

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I think it's possible that he will return in a year or two...probably to both HM's. Didn't they make a new pin of him last year? Only it's not of what he looked like in 1969, but rather an updated version of him, resting his hatbox on a bunch of hatboxes piled on top of each other (possibly to hold a new projection effect within them). I ask, because for quite a while now, Disney pins that get released (the one that comes to mind right away in the Disneyland Tinkerbell Float) end up looking very close to the final full scale version.

After all, Connie didn't show up in the HM right after it reopened at Disneyland a couple years back, it took time.
Ya know Expo, I tend to remember seeing that in my monthly check of the pin website...*goes to find pic*
 

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