The cost of courtesy

DisneyWorldGuru

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I found this on www.orlandoweekly.com

The cost of courtesy

By Jim Hill
5/2/02

Can you really put a price tag on being polite?

Lee Cockrell, executive vice president for park operations at Walt Disney World, thinks so. On April 12 he issued a memo in which he told WDW cast members they are under no obligation to be nice to the customers when they're off the company clock. Oh sure, you can be polite, he clarified. But it's on your own time. And don't expect Disney to pay you for it.

Understandably, Cockrell's "Guidelines for Walking Through On-Stage Areas While Off Duty" memo has caused some friction. A number of long-time Disney World employees cite it as the latest example of how the higher-ups have lost sight of the real goal -- keeping the customers happy -- in their never-ending quest to keep costs down and profits up.

"Walktime" refers to that 10 to 15 minutes of paid time that the Mouse formerly tacked on at the start and end of each hourly employee's shift. The intent was to give cast members the time they needed -- once they were in costume, mind you -- to hike across the theme park to their assigned positions. Of course, walktime came with a few conditions. For example: If the cast member, while en route, was approached by a guest, they were to stop and give that customer their full attention.

This used to be the Disney way. Always courteous. Always smiling. Ever upbeat.

Then came the late 1990s, when cheaper became better.

One of the things cut was the famed "Traditions" training sessions, a required seminar in Disney history and how to interact with the public. (Always make eye contact with the customer. Never slouch or slump while you're "on stage." When pointing out something to a guest, always use your whole hand, never a single finger.) "Traditions" was halved from two days to one.

Walktime also went out the window. Management apparently concluded it was dumb to pay people while they were in the park if they weren't actually standing at their post.

This didn't solve the problem of all those uniformed workers coming and going through the park as if they actually worked there. (Indeed, in another attempt at cost savings, employees finally were allowed to take their costumes home with them, so that Disney wouldn't have to pay them while they were merely getting dressed.)

Many veteran cast members in the parks believe that going out of their way to make each guest feel special is a big part of the Disney experience. "It's something that the tourists have come to expect," said one vet. "We can't let them down now." Memo or no, these folks are still trying to be as friendly as possible when approached, no matter if they're on the clock or off.

Unfortunately, some of the more recent recruits don't share that work ethic. "Why should I still be courteous to these idiots when I'm not getting paid for it?," groused one new hire, fresh from the larger-than-expected return of tourists to the Orlando parks last month. "Let somebody who's still on duty show them where the restrooms are."

In fact, Cockrell's directive validates and, alarmingly, seems to encourage that very view.

"It has come to my attention recently that there is some confusion regarding our expectations of hourly cast members who walk through a guest area to get to or from their work location while in costume," he wrote in his memo. "I would like to clarify the company's expectations."

He continues: "We do not require or expect our hourly cast members to perform any work activities while off the clock. This includes answering guest questions. All cast members should, however, be polite in interactions with guests at all times. Hourly cast members who are off the clock may politely redirect the guest to another cast member for assistance. An appropriate response might be, ÔSir/Ma'am, I am unable to answer your questions. However, the cast member at [location] will be happy to assist you.' Of course, any cast member may answer the guest question on his/her own time (and not redirect the guest to another cast member), but this is on a totally voluntary basis. If the question would take more than a few seconds, please direct the guest to an on-duty cast member."

To erase any doubt, Cockerell's memo put the words voluntary basis in bold.

Disney spokesman Marilyn Waters dismissed the fuss that veteran cast members were making about what she portrayed as a non-issue. "Walt Disney World remains focused on delivering the best possible customer service to our guests," she said.

Someone should clarify that for Cockrell. Because it doesn't take an interpreter to see that he's telling cast members it's OK to let customer service slide.


Well this shows once again how the Walt Disney Company has changed since Frank Wells death. They don't care about pleasing guests as much as making a profit.
:veryconfu
 

Maria

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I don´t really know what to say... I think it is all in an effort to reduce costs and set the policies for guest interaction while on the clock.

I was there when they tried to stop paying for "walking time"... I didn´t mind because my work location was always close to Costuming, so I had plenty of time, but some of my friends didn´t find that very nice. I was also there when they started letting you take your costumes home, and none of us liked it! The idea of seeing cm´s walking around the aprtment complex in costume, was not so nice...

On behalf of those very polite cast members like me, -hehehe- some things will never change: all my friends agreed on that we smiled and interacted with guests even when we were not on the clock or in costume! Certainly, it was weird when a person (not in costume) approached you and your family and offered to take your picture, or commented on your kids, or asked you where you were from, or directed you to the nearest restroom without you asking about it, or helped you with the map when you were just openning it! We found ourselves doing that even when we were guests on our time off. It comes naturally... you can´t help it and I don´t think any memo will change that.

;)
 

Nightwing

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I can belive it! This is another nail in the coffin for Disney. How many errors will it take for this company to wake up and get on track? Did you also hear that Eisner's board NOW has to have people on it he's not friends with?
 

Lhriangel

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Um.. You do that too Maria? I thought I was the only one. Forever a cast member syndrome is what some of my friends called it. Hehe... I swear sometimes I think I should have my head examined.

But back on topic. I find it odd that Lee Cockwell would send a memo out like this. I have heard him speak when he was giving a lecture for one of my classes at Disney and he seemed to uphold the Disney values. I know many castmembers who, while they dislike Eisner, like Cockwell. I think this sounds like i may have been taken slightly out of context. There may have been a complaint by Cast Members when they are walking to/from their location and are asked questions (I got it tons of times).
 

DisneyWorldGuru

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Originally posted by Maria
Certainly, it was weird when a person (not in costume) approached you and your family and offered to take your picture, or commented on your kids, or asked you where you were from, or directed you to the nearest restroom without you asking about it, or helped you with the map when you were just openning it! We found ourselves doing that even when we were guests on our time off. It comes naturally... you can´t help it and I don´t think any memo will change that.
;)

What do you do at WDW?

Originally posted by Nightwing
How many errors will it take for this company to wake up and get on track? Did you also hear that Eisner's board NOW has to have people on it he's not friends with?

Eisner is trying to keep the shareholders happy. That includes cutting the things that make DIsney, Disney. It is not like it was when the Disney family was in controll. Things should be they way they were when Walt created DisneyLand. Back when it was about making the best family park. Not about profit but about a safe, fun, place for families.

I mean whats next? Is it going to be like Universal? LOL.
:king: <---Disney World
:fork: <---Universal
:cry: <---Six Flags
:lol: <---me
 

Maria

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Originally posted by Angelique
Um.. You do that too Maria? I thought I was the only one. Forever a cast member syndrome is what some of my friends called it. Hehe... I swear sometimes I think I should have my head examined.

There may have been a complaint by Cast Members when they are walking to/from their location and are asked questions (I got it tons of times).

Yeah... I do that... I do love pointing out with two fingers or the whole hand!

I agree with you, there might have been something to set the fire and make him write a memo like that. Maybe some cast members were "punished" for being late and they said they were handling guests requests while on their way, and the union complained...who knows! I don´t think this came out of nothing... ;)
 

Lhriangel

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Originally posted by Maria


Yeah... I do that... I do love pointing out with two fingers or the whole hand!

I agree with you, there might have been something to set the fire and make him write a memo like that. Maybe some cast members were "punished" for being late and they said they were handling guests requests while on their way, and the union complained...who knows! I don´t think this came out of nothing... ;)

Well I know Atlas started paying the Rescue Rangers 15 minutes to get to their location because of complaints that we had to be there up to 45 minutes early for work so that we could get to our locations for the day before our shift.

I'm sure there is a back story behind this that is not common knowledge.
 

DisneyWorldGuru

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Originally posted by alee4eva
Has to have people on it he's not friends with?? Thats weird.. do they want nothing to get done...

LOL. Once again this all is about money. Anything to get more money.

I think that Cockrell said this because he was getting a lot of flack from the board and other CM's. I think that it is all apart of the "magic" of WDW. I mean they pay you to be nice, but a friend of mine told me it just stays with you. He is not the kind of guy who would re-direct a guest while off-duty. He is the kind of guy who would go out of his way to make a guests day.
 

alee4eva

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Your probably right Guru, I havent exactly noticed anyone being rude when I ask questions, nor have I heard any stories..So i guess theyre saving money and not comprimising any service. It probably sounds a lot worse than it is. And, disney knows what they're doing (most of the time),
 

Erika

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Based on my WDW experiences, CMs at WDW have always seemed GENUINELY kind and helpful. I have always had the impression that they enjoy working there. When you have employees who truly love where they work and care about the company, it makes such a difference. I don't think any new rule (or lack thereof) is going to change the way most CMs treat the Guests.

My husband refers to "New Disney" as "The Machine"
sigh-- he's so right. If it weren't for the CMs who have grown up loving Disney, and weren't huge fans themselves, that company would be down the tubes. So Maria, Angelique, and all other CMs/ former CMs-- we owe you!!! Thanks!!! :wave:
 

FutureCEO

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you beat me to submitting this post.

Another classic way Disney is losing its respect. if someone doesn't come in and whip the slate clean then say goodby to Disney's respect.

I HATE EISNER WITH A PASSION:fork:
 

alee4eva

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I don't hate him..but you can't replace Walt, there's no way. No amount of schooling in buisiness could prepare someone for running the Disney company, it's just gotta be in you, and it's not in Eisner.
 

DisneyWorldGuru

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Originally posted by FutureCEO
you beat me to submitting this post.

Another classic way Disney is losing its respect. if someone doesn't come in and whip the slate clean then say goodby to Disney's respect.

I HATE EISNER WITH A PASSION:fork:

I know where Eisner is comming from (just read Work in Progress) but this bozo has no clue how to keep guests happy. I could not agree more with you FutureCEO. I feel that Cockrell said this because Eisner did not have the guts to say it himself. I feel that if all WDW CM's were like Angelique and Maria WDW would still be like Walt him self wanted his parks to be. The Disney Company needs another Frank Wells!!! WDW is run to much like an army (all profit even if we have to cut a few things). Eisner should be reading this him self and see what the guests want. Just look at what happens if you e-mail them with a problem you have with WDW. They give you an automatic response e-mail and trash what you sent to them. Disney needs to start acting like the "old Disney" and not like Six Flags and Universal.
 

epcot71

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ok heres my take on the article-first of all anything jim hill writes is more than likely anti-disney.i think the guy must have been banned from disney once or something because he takes a minor issue and blows it up and makes an article about it.-reading the article and keeping in mind its jim hill(mouse hater) and basically in my mind seem to think if a memo was sent -it only states what is in policy anyway-DO NOT WORK OFF THE CLOCK.he clearly states under no circumstances r u to be rude to a guest-but if ur off the clock ur not obliged to go out of ur way to help a guest and should redirect the guest to a cm who is on the clock.i dont have a problem with that-i dont think that this will empede on disney quality-because most cms who r off the clock arent on stage anyway with exception of a few roles and areas where there is no backstage like downtown disney.most companies have a dont work off the clock policy and get in major doo-doo if an employee works off ther clock-so in a way this disney is smart-so down the road if a discruntle cm says they walked a guest to a bathroom when they were off the clock they cant sue disney for being made to work off the clock because there is now a company wide memo that clearly states-the company does not allow u to work off the clock-just my feeling
 

Maria

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I agree with you! You said what I could not say in English... hehe :p
And yeah, I didn´t know Jim Hll had written that... he is famous for being anti-disney ;)
 

Irrawaddy Erik

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I was taught that you are nice, polite, respectable, ect to guests no matter what ...... even when I am playing in the parks on my days off I'm still "on stage" Its part of keeping the magic alive. I have what angelique said she has "forever CM" no matter what you try to make a guests experience the best they can have
 

DisneyWorldGuru

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Originally posted by Maria
I agree with you! You said what I could not say in English... hehe :p
And yeah, I didn´t know Jim Hll had written that... he is famous for being anti-disney ;)

I to have read a lot of Jim's anti-disney articles. For once Jim has written something I agree with. I feel that Disney should go back to its old ways. So what if it is a little more money to do something right? I think that Walt Disney would be rolling in his grave (that is if he was burried) if he knew what Eisner has done to the Disney name. I love Disney World but there are many things wrong with it. I know that it is very hard to run a major company like Disney but he could listen to the guests who loyaly visit their parks, go see their movies, buy their products, and make them money. I feel they should listen to the people who support them sometimes. Now I am not saying I am anti-Disney, if fact I am far from it. I make people sick because I love WDW so much. Now for Jim Hill I think he is just mad that Disney caused Orlando to go from a quiet town to the #1 vacation destination.
 

Fievel

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Put simply - Jim Hill is an idiot........his name has appeared on anti-disney articles more than once and his journalistic integrity is in the crapper.

Second - Eisner is GOOD for disney....people are mad at him because he isnt' walt and isn't willing to try to put the company into bankruptcy to try something that MIGHT work and might not. If not for Eisner, JIYI would still be the crappy version, ad Alien at MK would be slapstick (thanks now) in comparison to what it is now. He has the final say on many things, and has brought disney into the 21st century. Walt Disney might have been able to do this too, but he was always trying to do stuff that always had the chance of wrecking the company. Without Eisner, WDW would not be where it is today.

Eisner is a figurehead...remember that....he is not making most of these decisions. There is a group below him that makes most of the decisions for him.
 

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