kandyman
Member
"Quickly" was mostly referring to the thought process behind said additions, only a crazy person would expect a speedy installation.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
TCM teams up with Disney to refresh Great Movie Ride
- Thread starter Tigger1988
- Start date
Next Big Thing
Well-Known Member
Disney does things quick only when there's money directly involved. Disney Springs (I know PI sat empty for 5 years, that's not what i'm talking about), DVC, Frozen Summer Fun, and corporate sponsorship redos. All have a substantial amount of money to be made so they get built/open quickly.
Disney doesn't quite see things the same with attractions if there's no sponsor. They then are relying solely on merch and extra gate clicks to make it a worthwhile investment. The bean counters don't like taking risks like that (although they'll shell out billions for MM+ no problem...)
TheGhostWithTheMost
Well-Known Member
Those cast make less than Walmart workers. They make $9 an hour. They are told by management over and over again NOT to act. I know people who have gotten in trouble for "acting too much." They are suppose to just "mark it" and go through the motions. Because Disney doesn't want it to be an acting role (even though it is) because Disney doesn't want to pay them what they deserve. Don't you dare blame the Cast, most of which don't even get to pick if they go to GMR or not, for Disney refusing to pay what they deserve.
Last edited:
Next Big Thing
Well-Known Member
Yes, it should be an entertainment role, but Disney is too cheap to pay an extra $4-5 or so/hour. This is a ride in the same park as the recently shuttered American Idol Attraction (Equity roles) and Backlot tour (frontline $9). I'm pretty sure they have a little extra cash lying around to pay these people right.
Magenta Panther
Well-Known Member
Hmmm, could that be for the Robert Osborne pre-ride video?
Magenta Panther
Well-Known Member
I'm hoping that bit is removed and the cyclone scene from "The Wizard Of Oz" is going in its place, as was originally planned. That would be sweeeettt....
^this. And the same goes for Jungle Cruise and Kilimanjaro Safaris. It irks me when people complain about people in those roles. They have jobs that should very well be "Entertainment," but are instead frontline cast members like at every single attraction. They are instructed how to deliver their spiels and get in trouble when they deviate too much or make it too original. Please don't ever be upset if it seems like they're not trying, because more than likely they're trying as hard as they can without risking getting fired.
Communicore
Well-Known Member
I thought Jungle Cruise is a acting role? The CM there makes the same as the CM pressing the CoP buttons?
MarkTwain
Well-Known Member
Yes indeed. As do Great Movie Ride cast members. No auditions are held, either.
With that being the case, it's kind of a miracle the rides are even as entertaining as they are.
Last edited:
TheGhostWithTheMost
Well-Known Member
The Jungle Cruise spiel guide starts with a page that literally says that the cast members are not stand up comedians and that the skipper shouldn't "act" funny.
Equity came in a few years ago (well...more than a few years ago) and tried to demand that these roles be entertainment and audition only (as they should be). So Disney started to train that the Cast Members "spiel" and not that Cast Members "entertain." Cast at Jungle/GMR are trained to say their spiel...and that's it. Anything else (especially at GMR) can get Cast in trouble.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
KInd of. It just gets super complicated to be honest. If the roles become "Entertainment" instead of "Attractions," then it changes everything about how things are handled. All the employees in that role would get a pay increase, but it also means that everyone going forward would have to audition for the role AND everyone currently in the role would have to audition to keep their role. And since people are not being trained to be entertainers, a lot of people currently in those positions would be displaced. And when operations like Kilimanjaro have nearly 300 statused cast members, that's a lot of people to go through and audition and re-train and pay more, etc. Not saying one way or the other how the situation *should* be handled, but just trying to explain why Disney probably finds it easier to not deal with the situation at all.
Haymarket2008
Well-Known Member
That's unfortunate. It really is. But a horrible experience is a horrible experience. I've seen that ride be amazing, and to see it like I did the other night is beyond mind boggling. Maybe it's management, but the people over at Jungle Cruise are doing great stuff, so I don't see the excuse.
FigmentJedi
Well-Known Member
Or maybe Rifftrax. Could throw in a few riffed short films into the restaurant's video loop.
Matt_Black
Well-Known Member
I don't know. I could never get into Rifftrax or Cinematic Titanic. Without the wacky sketches in between the film segments, it just didn't gel for me the same way.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a "horrible" experience. Perhaps one less enthusiastic then others, but to me it is either well done or comical in itself. Jungle Cruise when operated the way Disney has always wanted it to run, could just as easily be done via pre-recorded broadcasting accompanied by the captains mouthing the words. The jokes are old and to many of us, heard a million times. I'm sure we are far more picky about the performance then others are. The ride itself is not to be taken seriously and because of that, why are we taking the Captains seriously? Loosen the sphincter and enjoy the trip. Even the worse I have ever seen (that would be about a 90 year old female gangster on the GMR) was at best unconvincing, but, was at least amusing.
Haymarket2008
Well-Known Member
I actually would call it horrible. People aren't paying for the low quality stuff going on there. No need to be rude, buddy.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
The jungle Cruise is meant to be a farce. Make it into a Greek tragedy if you want, but, it was designed as a fun, totally non-serious ride through not even closely replicated areas of the world.
And I wasn't being rude, I was making a factual, general statement. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't put it on. If you want to find a way to make it horrible, be my guest. I prefer to just sit back and enjoy the silliness. High quality was never aimed for nor achieved. How many high quality ways are there to say... "And now the backside of water"?
Haymarket2008
Well-Known Member
You misunderstood me, man. I'm talking about Great Movie Ride. I love the silliness of the Jungle Cruise, the jokes speak for themselves and make me laugh almost always. I'm speaking of a terrible experience I had on Great Movie Ride. Totally different ride.