Jedijax719
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Maybe Drea or Sydney instead of Kellee. Or even maybe Tori.
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Survivor 43 Discussion Thread
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This finale got me thinking about who I would have voted for each season based on who was in the final 2 or 3. I made a chart of every winner, who I would have voted for after my initial watch, as well as who I would vote for now with hindsight and more context/Survivor experience. Keep in mind I started watching in season 26, then somewhere around 28 or 29 I started to go back and rewatch old seasons.
It's interesting that I agreed with the winners of most of the old school seasons, but started disagreeing more as we get more modern.
It's interesting that I agreed with the winners of most of the old school seasons, but started disagreeing more as we get more modern.
| Season | Winner | My Vote After First Watch | My Vote Now |
| 1 | Richard | Richard | Richard |
| 2 | Tina | Tina | Tina |
| 3 | Ethan | Ethan | Ethan |
| 4 | Vecepia | Vecepia | Vecepia |
| 5 | Brian | Brian | Brian |
| 6 | Jenna | Jenna | Jenna |
| 7 | Sandra | Sandra | Sandra |
| 8 | Amber | Rob | Rob |
| 9 | Chris | Chris | Chris |
| 10 | Tom | Tom | Tom |
| 11 | Danni | Steph | Steph |
| 12 | Aras | Aras | Aras |
| 13 | Yul | Yul | Yul |
| 14 | Earl | Earl | Earl |
| 15 | Todd | Todd | Todd |
| 16 | Parvati | Parvati | Parvati |
| 17 | Bob | Bob | Bob |
| 18 | JT | JT | Stephen |
| 19 | Natalie | Russell | Natalie |
| 20 | Sandra | Parvati | Parvati |
| 21 | Fabio | Sash | Fabio |
| 22 | Rob | Rob | Rob |
| 23 | Sophie | Coach | Sophie |
| 24 | Kim | Kim | Kim |
| 25 | Denise | Denise | Denise |
| 26 | Cochran | Cochran | Cochran |
| 27 | Tyson | Tyson | Tyson |
| 28 | Tony | Tony | Tony |
| 29 | Natalie | Natalie | Natalie |
| 30 | Mike | Carolyn | Carolyn |
| 31 | Jeremy | Spencer | Jeremy |
| 32 | Michele | Aubry | Aubry |
| 33 | Adam | Adam | Adam |
| 34 | Sarah | Sarah | Sarah |
| 35 | Ben | Chrissy | Chrissy |
| 36 | Wendell | Domenick | Domenick |
| 37 | Nick | Nick | Mike |
| 38 | Chris | Gavin | Gavin |
| 39 | Tommy | Tommy | Tommy |
| 40 | Tony | Tony | Tony |
| 41 | Erika | Erika | Erika |
| 42 | Maryanne | Maryanne | Maryanne |
| 43 | Gabler | Cassidy | n/a |
Wendy Pleakley
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If you can make it to the end and sway the jury, you deserve to win. It really does come down to that.
Gabler played a good game. He let others take the spotlight and they went home on account of being big threats. It's a common winning strategy.
I love Survivor because it's hard to win, it's not predictable, and it doesn't always deliver the happy ending. If you want that all the time, don't watch reality TV.
Having said that, I feel like it's the third straight season where the edit downplays the winning game in order to surprise the viewers, and I'm very much over that.
This was a good episode. It was the story of how Jesse lost. It was sad, but if a TV game show evokes strong feelings, they've done a good job.
As much as the initial reaction was, wait, THIS is the final three? Worst. Final. Three. Ever. the tribal council was good and showed us why they were all deserving in their own rights.
Gabler played a good game. He let others take the spotlight and they went home on account of being big threats. It's a common winning strategy.
I love Survivor because it's hard to win, it's not predictable, and it doesn't always deliver the happy ending. If you want that all the time, don't watch reality TV.
Having said that, I feel like it's the third straight season where the edit downplays the winning game in order to surprise the viewers, and I'm very much over that.
This was a good episode. It was the story of how Jesse lost. It was sad, but if a TV game show evokes strong feelings, they've done a good job.
As much as the initial reaction was, wait, THIS is the final three? Worst. Final. Three. Ever. the tribal council was good and showed us why they were all deserving in their own rights.
The last three winners have all played under the radar games. Even Tony in WaW was very quiet until the Sophie boot, which was late in the season.
You can't be visibly in control the entire game and win anymore. At least not in this era of the game. That's why I think Jesse played such a great game. He wasn't viewed as the biggest threat until he literally couldn't be voted out anymore. I think he timed everything so perfectly, he just failed to finish the last step.
The last player who was in charge the entire game and won was Tommy, but he played a much quieter game than most other players his season. You could argue the last flashy player to win while being in control all game was Tony in Cagayan. Jeremy, Sarah, Wendell, and Tommy were in control all game in their seasons, but none of them were loud and flashy.
You can't be visibly in control the entire game and win anymore. At least not in this era of the game. That's why I think Jesse played such a great game. He wasn't viewed as the biggest threat until he literally couldn't be voted out anymore. I think he timed everything so perfectly, he just failed to finish the last step.
The last player who was in charge the entire game and won was Tommy, but he played a much quieter game than most other players his season. You could argue the last flashy player to win while being in control all game was Tony in Cagayan. Jeremy, Sarah, Wendell, and Tommy were in control all game in their seasons, but none of them were loud and flashy.
Wendy Pleakley
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I wonder if and when players will change their strategy. Getting to the end against two "GOATs" is so hard. Will big players ever decide that it's in their best interest to stick together to get to the end even if it means a tougher chance to secure the winning votes? Did Jesse lose, in part, by cutting Karla loose too soon? Take out Cassady and he theoretically wins the final challenge. Alternatively he might have beaten Karla at fire.
Would of could of should have.
All the more reason to hope for a returnee season soon. Let's see the big guns going after each other.
If anyone can't wait for March for the next season, Australian Survivor is back in January. It's generally a fun show but the editing is something else. The air time given to front runners is ridiculous and you can see the winners edit from outer space. They even put the top players, and only the top players, on the poster.
I was thinking the same thing about Jesse, but I don't think he could have made the move to take out Cassidy. If he votes for Cassidy, the rest still vote out Karla. If he plays his idol for Karla, she cast a vote for him. It would then go to a revote, and they would totally vote out Jesse over Cass. He really didn't have a choice, even though it was portrayed as such.
I was watching the Brains and Brawns season of Australian Survivor before it was pulled off of Paramount+. I only got part way through, and it was honestly a little dull. I just think the episodes are too long.
Jedijax719
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Sounds like Cassidy was rather bitter about losing. She's young for sure, but she did mess up in the jury. She was probably favored by most viewers to win, but it wasn't like that in reality.
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Cassidy Clark had a panic attack after Survivor 43 finale result
"I honestly drank way too much champagne just trying to deal with the shock, the pain, and the loss of it."
Jedijax719
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I haven't seen or read anything like that. Wow!
Wendy Pleakley
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So ridiculous. Sadly, there's a toxic part of any fandom.
Why do people think they're entitled to make it personal?
It's fine to armchair quarterback and evaluate. It's fine to speculate what Jesse could have done differently. It's fine to feel one would have voted for a different winner. There's zero reason to direct anything towards the players.
If people ARE angry about a Gabler win, they should consider digging deeper. I've listened to the RHAP know-it-alls and half of the Maryanne one on the finale and they do a good job of explaining what Cassady did wrong and how you win in the final tribal council.
There have been so many Cassidy stans on Twitter this season, claiming she's going to win basically all season. When Jesse left, they were extremely loud, and then when she lost they were fuming. They've been pretty toxic all season.
DryerLintFan
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I question the reasoning of anyone who is mad about Jesse losing.
If you know you’re going on survivor, you should be practicing making fire. The entirety of your prep for the show should be practicing fire. Spending the day you KNOW you’re going to be chosen for fire practicing will never be enough.
But he’s spent all his time hoping he’s going to win the game without learning the skill he’d need to get there.
If you know you’re going on survivor, you should be practicing making fire. The entirety of your prep for the show should be practicing fire. Spending the day you KNOW you’re going to be chosen for fire practicing will never be enough.
But he’s spent all his time hoping he’s going to win the game without learning the skill he’d need to get there.
Wendy Pleakley
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I'm not one to over analyze the edit. I don't pay attention to stats people compile on things like screen time and confessional count.
However, who watched this season and thought Cassady was being portrayed as a potential winner? The Gabler "hiding in plain sight" story was an obvious indicator he could win.
I have also seen this take, but we don't know if Jesse actually couldn't make fire. Remember, Gabler broke the record for the fastest fire in Survivor history. Gabler's fire-making was extraordinary. Jesse could have been a good fire maker, just not record-breaking good.
I will look at the stats a little bit here and there as I see them come across my Twitter feed, but couldn't tell you any specifics. I'm not sure what they were thinking. She almost seemed like Gavin from EoE. He played a solid game, but nothing special. Normally you wouldn't vote for him to be the winner, but in the weak final three most fans viewed him as the best choice.
I feel the same about Cassidy. She played a solid game, but didn't truly drive any strategy. In most seasons won't get votes, but with this weak final three most fans expected her to.
Maybe the lesson here is, if you get to the final three and everyone played a weak game, the relationships will win out. Three key cases are Gabon, EoE, and 43. All three final threes were pretty lackluster, and the person who won ended up having the strongest personal relationships with the jury. I'm not sure that makes them bitter, rather than underwhelmed by the gameplay.
Wendy Pleakley
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I obviously haven't done it but I feel the fire making is too random/easy. The rope isn't super thick. It's not that hard to get a good flame going. It seems to be that it largely comes down to who can get a flame from flint first.
Once you have that it takes very little to burn that rope. The players should have to build a solid, sustainable fire.
Yes, relationships matter. People get upset by that as winning criteria but it's a game with human players and human emotions. This isn't a jury trial in the real world where they're expected to render a verdict based on rules and certain criteria.
Well, there's some expectation given how Jeff sets up the questioning, but it's not a requirement. There isn't a judge who's going to step in an overturn the result because the jury didn't follow the "rules".
That's why it's a hard game. As Jeff always says, it's hard to vote people out and then convince them to vote for you as a winner. It's such a fine line to end someone's game in a way they aren't bitter or angry. It's why many players tell jury members they voted them out because they were a threat, they were better than them.
Once you have that it takes very little to burn that rope. The players should have to build a solid, sustainable fire.
Yes, relationships matter. People get upset by that as winning criteria but it's a game with human players and human emotions. This isn't a jury trial in the real world where they're expected to render a verdict based on rules and certain criteria.
Well, there's some expectation given how Jeff sets up the questioning, but it's not a requirement. There isn't a judge who's going to step in an overturn the result because the jury didn't follow the "rules".
That's why it's a hard game. As Jeff always says, it's hard to vote people out and then convince them to vote for you as a winner. It's such a fine line to end someone's game in a way they aren't bitter or angry. It's why many players tell jury members they voted them out because they were a threat, they were better than them.
artvandelay
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On Jesse’s RHAP post game interview, he said Gabler was a 10 at making fire and he was a 7.
Gabler said he downplayed his fire making all season.
DryerLintFan
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Lol he didn’t even have his started.
We can continue discussing the season in this thread, but I created a new thread for Survivor 44 since some minor information is leaking. You can check out the thread here:
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Survivor 44 Discussion Thread
Welcome all! I know Survivor 43 just wrapped up, but we already have a little bit of info on Survivor 44. The premiere is March 1st. This thread is for discussion about all things Survivor for the new season. As always, please me mindful of what you post. Anything that has aired is fair...
Jedijax719
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In essence, Gabler did what both Erika and Maryanne did. He explained how he won and his strategy from the getgo. His one big move was getting out Ellie while Erika and Maryanne both made HUGE moves to get out jury members who were dangerous and were essentially the season's strategists until their boots (for Erika it was Shan and for Maryanne it was Omer). Cassidy was on a roll but REALLY fumbled the ball on the one yard line. Owen was the one with no shot.
Early in the season, the only ones I heard or read about needing to watch were Ellie and Sammy.
Early in the season, the only ones I heard or read about needing to watch were Ellie and Sammy.