Struggling to decide on ECV

Missing_Aria

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Okay so my girlfriend and I are planning a December trip to WDW, tickets & hotel room are booked and everything (even got the free dining plan deal YAY!) but this year I've been dealing with a new friend... My cane. The cane is something I've been struggling with both literally and emotionally because I'm 32, still get along fairly quickly most days while using my cane, and I don't have anything visibly wrong with me.

I'm a former Air Force medic who served in Afghanistan doing convoys with the Army (101st cause who the heck hasn't at this point?) and before anyone goes thinking I got shot or blown up or something let me tell you my deployment was luckily largely uneventful. It was interesting and I got to experience a lot but, with the exception of one major incident in which I was completely unharmed, it was fine. However, my right side of my hip turns in and I've 'walked funny' my whole life with occasional problems here and there. It was never too bad unless I was tired or hurting for some reason though so I was able to join the service and start doing real damage to that hip and leg. The doctors don't really know what happened, if it was even just one thing, or what exactly is wrong. Right now they just assume moderate to high wear and tear on something that wasn't particularly strong to begin with. Lots of tests and imaging haven't really given us more than that. All we really know is that my right leg and hip are weak and frequently experience pain and locking up when faced with high levels or long periods of physical activity. All the running and walking I used to do? Nope, can't even walk a block without my cane without being in tears from the stabbing pain.

Problem is that, as a former military medic, I have a hard time thinking of that above paragraph as a good enough reason to have an ECV. I've never even used one in a mall or store. I've used a manual wheelchair once in IKEA and, while it definitely helped, I felt insanely stupid. The whole time I'm just sitting there thinking 'I can walk, what the hell am I doing? I need to stop being a baby!' It didn't help when an older couple (maybe 70?) who were clearly in excellent shape mobility wise started making snide comments about me being in a chair while in the elevator. Stage whispers of "young people these days are just so lazy" as they cut me off to get onto the elevator were followed by venomous glares the whole ride. Of course a huge part of my brain agreed with them, I really felt like I was just being lazy (even though it's harder to push a wheelchair that's far to big for you with your arms than it is just to walk if you're healthy). Mentally I couldn't reason with myself that I did need it, that it did help, that the fact that I didn't wake up screaming in agony the following night was an excellent indicator of just how much the chair actually helped, all that mattered was that I felt like a giant fake because I CAN walk. Logically I'm aware that line of thought is idiotic, but subconsciously these thoughts rule my mind, even when I'm just using my cane.

I definitely feel bad about the cane on a daily basis because I live in New York, and it's a daily thing where I'm too scared to ask for the seat I need on a subway or bus. I get trash talked or intentionally knocked around multiple times a week by people trying to prove some sort of point or something I guess. I have no problem with, and frequently end up, asking people to give up their seats for other disabled/elderly/pregnant persons but if someone offers me a seat I'm too embarrassed/ashamed to properly thank them half the time. I have bad anxiety & PTSD because of the military and all of it centers around social conflict and social interactions in general so, even when I can put on a tough front, I'm usually shaking when someone decides to be an about my use of a cane.

Which brings me to Disney World. Everything I've read online says that if you need a cane in your day to day life you really should rent a wheelchair or ECV. I don't want to put my girlfriend out by needing frequent breaks or needing to head back to the resort early. I also definitely don't want to wake up screaming due to extreme leg cramps because I pushed myself too hard for too long. But I also don't want to deal with some jerk making snide comments and making my anxiety flare up, or maybe having to deal with someone actually confronting me directly and causing me to shut down completely since I won't be bringing my ESA with me (because honestly I shouldn't need her for a week long trip and I hate people who abuse the ESA/Service Animal laws with a burning passion). I've seen a LOT of websites, forum threads, and reddits complaining about anyone in an ECV and I'm legitimately terrified that I'll run into someone who just wants to hate me for being on one if I choose to go that route. So I'm not sure what I should do.

Sorry I know this was really long. Basically I'm looking for some first hand accounts of people like me who are young adults who look healthy and use/have used ECVs at Disney World. What was it like? Do you have any tips? Should I just tough it out and plan out a bunch of breaks or get one of those canes with a chair built in (even though they're useless to walk with)? I've been thinking about this since I booked the trip in January and I'm honestly no closer to a decision.
 

Missing_Aria

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So I actually have been using everyone here's points to discuss this with my girlfriend. This is basically what we've decided:

We're going to go on ahead and book an ECV, I'm still a bit worried about using it in the Magic Kingdom due to that being the more crowded of the parks (so any tips on that would be insanely awesome). I'm going to try the first day without it and just leave it parked in the room since the first day is usually a half day for us either way so that seems like the best test of my limitations. For parks like Epcot/Animal Kingdom I'm going to definitely use it all day but on other days I'm going to gauge where I'm at based on the results of that first day.

I'm obviously going to need to call in and make sure my room is a ground floor one (really kind of grumpy about that but it's probably for the best even without an ECV). From what I can tell there isn't as much foliage to block your view at Caribbean anyway so I'm sure it'll be fine.

I'm not applying for a DAS unless my insane paranoia just works me up to insane stress levels between now and then. If it does then I'll apply for one just in case for piece of mind and probably end up never using it.

I really have been putting off making a decision on this because my thought process has basically been "Maybe the doctors will figure out what to do with me between now and then and I won't need it at all." But since my leg seems to be getting worse and not better I think it's past time to keep assuming that.
 
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Smiley/OCD

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So I actually have been using everyone here's points to discuss this with my girlfriend. This is basically what we've decided:

We're going to go on ahead and book an ECV, I'm still a bit worried about using it in the Magic Kingdom due to that being the more crowded of the parks (so any tips on that would be insanely awesome). I'm going to try the first day without it and just leave it parked in the room since the first day is usually a half day for us either way so that seems like the best test of my limitations. For parks like Epcot/Animal Kingdom I'm going to definitely use it all day but on other days I'm going to gauge where I'm at based on the results of that first day.

I'm obviously going to need to call in and make sure my room is a ground floor one (really kind of grumpy about that but it's probably for the best even without an ECV). From what I can tell there isn't as much foliage to block your view at Caribbean anyway so I'm sure it'll be fine.

I'm not applying for a DAS unless my insane paranoia just works me up to insane stress levels between now and then. If it does then I'll apply for one just in case for piece of mind and probably end up never using it.

I really have been putting off making a decision on this because my thought process has basically been "Maybe the doctors will figure out what to do with me between now and then and I won't need it at all." But since my leg seems to be getting worse and not better I think it's past time to keep assuming that.


OK, first, a couple of things...the ECV can VERY easily go into an elevator...so if you want a higher floor, go for it! (we always stay at AoA and never on the ground floor, it's MUCH quieter), so don't let that fact dissuade you from getting a higher floor.

The piece of advice I try to offer everyone with an ECV either for the first time or a different model than you're used to, is while at your resort AND before you venture out with it for the first time, is to take 15-30 minutes at the resort and take it for a ride. Learn how it starts, stops, steers, etc. THAT one fact will make your trip into the parks MUCH LESS STRESSFUL!!! Also, Take it with you from DAY ONE into EVERY park because trust me, you'll walk from the train station to Cinderella Castle and kick yourself for NOT taking it!!! Also, don't forget to plug it in EVERY night to recharge, and keep your eye on the battery gauge throughout your visit...if it's running low, especially at AK (lots of hilly terrain), when you stop to eat, don't be afraid to ask a CM if you can plug it in for a short time (don't forget to bring the cord with you) they are VERY helpful and will show you an out of the way spot to plug in.

Once you get the hang of it, you'll be stress free and will LOVE every minute of it! When you return, please don't forget to let us all know how it went...I PROMISE I won't say "TOLD YOU SO" LOL. Again, have a magical time there and DO NOT give a rats posterior what people say!!!
 
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DisneyJoe

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OK, first, a couple of things...the ECV can VERY easily go into an elevator...so if you want a higher floor, go for it! (we always stay at AoA and never on the ground floor, it's MUCH quieter), so don't let that fact dissuade you from getting a higher floor.

The piece of advice I try to offer everyone with an ECV either for the first time or a different model than you're used to, is while at your resort AND before you venture out with it for the first time, is to take 15-30 minutes at the resort and take it for a ride. Learn how it starts, stops, steers, etc. THAT one fact will make your trip into the parks MUCH LESS STRESSFUL!!! Also, Take it with you from DAY ONE into EVERY park because trust me, you'll walk from the train station to Cinderella Castle and kick yourself for NOT taking it!!! Also, don't forget to plug it in EVERY night to recharge, and keep your eye on the battery gauge throughout your visit...if it's running low, especially at AK (lots of hilly terrain), when you stop to eat, don't be afraid to ask a CM if you can plug it in for a short time (don't forget to bring the cord with you) they are VERY helpful and will show you an out of the way spot to plug in.

Once you get the hang of it, you'll be stress free and will LOVE every minute of it! When you return, please don't forget to let us all know how it went...I PROMISE I won't say "TOLD YOU SO" LOL. Again, have a magical time there and DO NOT give a rats posterior what people say!!!
CBR doesn't have elevators.
 
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hanwill

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Here's the thing- I tracked our pace at spring break... now we move all over the park and get there at opening and stay until after dinner, sometimes doing the fireworks/shows, etc. We averaged 8.5 miles per day. and we had a stroller for my child. We were exhausted at the end of every day. Don't worry about getting one and use it. You don't want to be in so much pain from the first day that you cannot enjoy the rest of your trip. And, I was just there too and strangely we noticed how there were not very many ecv's strolling around. however, when there were, they got on and off the buses much faster than they used to. I say use one they whole time and enjoy your trip! That is why you're going anyway!
 
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LAKid53

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So I actually have been using everyone here's points to discuss this with my girlfriend. This is basically what we've decided:

We're going to go on ahead and book an ECV, I'm still a bit worried about using it in the Magic Kingdom due to that being the more crowded of the parks (so any tips on that would be insanely awesome). I'm going to try the first day without it and just leave it parked in the room since the first day is usually a half day for us either way so that seems like the best test of my limitations. For parks like Epcot/Animal Kingdom I'm going to definitely use it all day but on other days I'm going to gauge where I'm at based on the results of that first day.

I'm obviously going to need to call in and make sure my room is a ground floor one (really kind of grumpy about that but it's probably for the best even without an ECV). From what I can tell there isn't as much foliage to block your view at Caribbean anyway so I'm sure it'll be fine.

I'm not applying for a DAS unless my insane paranoia just works me up to insane stress levels between now and then. If it does then I'll apply for one just in case for piece of mind and probably end up never using it.

I really have been putting off making a decision on this because my thought process has basically been "Maybe the doctors will figure out what to do with me between now and then and I won't need it at all." But since my leg seems to be getting worse and not better I think it's past time to keep assuming that.

My son-in-law's father used a scooter in all 4 parks. He had little problem in any of them. You should be okay.
 
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Missing_Aria

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If you didn't know, Shades of Green is for vets. Right across from the Grand Floridian. Check it out.

Actually I can't stay there. The military screwed me on disability (something I'm finally brave enough to challenge only now) and until I get that sorted I'm ineligible because I'm only at 60% service connected disability. Technically PTSD automatically warrants 100% but they've basically been saying I definitely have PTSD but it's not service connected all this time. While I'm aware that PTSD can definitely come from sources other than the military (half of my PTSD group had it from completely incidents completely unrelated to their service) mine was. My deployment had a major incident that sticks with me and I'm fairly certain reciting what happened to me at basic would get me banned from these forums. :/ Suffice it to say, I have never met someone who had a worse go of it in basic than I have (I'm sure there's someone out there, I just haven't met them or heard about them) and I'm usually someone who downplays what I went through to the point of idiocy. That, among other things, is why my anxiety and PTSD are socially connected more than loud noises and such.

But I digress...

Yeah you can't stay at Shades of Green as a veteran who didn't serve until retirement (20 years or 15 if you were part of a special deal when they were trying to cut back on troops) or has less than 100% service connected disability. I don't agree with the decision since non military people can stay there, to include people who were just married to a service member for 20 years and then got divorced from them. My ex mother in law can totally stay there but I can't. She's a lovely woman who dealt with a lot but it definitely rankles that she's so much better taken of by veteran services (she also gets a government paycheck and free health care for the same reason) than actual veterans are. Not her fault at all though.
 
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Missing_Aria

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Well I guess shame on me... The advice is still the same, and ECV shouldn't dissuade anyone from getting a higher floor room if you're using one IF there is an elevator. It's been 25 years since we've stayed there.

You're fine, I already knew the CBR didn't have elevators (though it's up in the air if they have hidden ones for housekeeping carts and such) and the rest of the advice you gave was excellent <3

But yeah, there are people who've stayed there who SWEAR there are elevators and that they've used them but they're hidden. Then there are others who say they need one fore their own mobility issues and they definitely don't have them at CBR. I'm probably going to try to call directly and ask. They'll probably just put me on a ground floor room anyway though since I'm sure they'd rather I don't use any hidden elevators even if they DO have them.
 
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Missing_Aria

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Here's the thing- I tracked our pace at spring break... now we move all over the park and get there at opening and stay until after dinner, sometimes doing the fireworks/shows, etc. We averaged 8.5 miles per day. and we had a stroller for my child. We were exhausted at the end of every day. Don't worry about getting one and use it. You don't want to be in so much pain from the first day that you cannot enjoy the rest of your trip. And, I was just there too and strangely we noticed how there were not very many ecv's strolling around. however, when there were, they got on and off the buses much faster than they used to. I say use one they whole time and enjoy your trip! That is why you're going anyway!

Yeah I was looking at the scooters that Buena Vista has and I'd really rather go with the smaller one, because it looks more maneuverable with the single wheel in the front but it only lasts 10 miles. If people are already saying to plug in any scooter and the other ones last 15 miles I'm concerned about the smaller one being able to go the distance (literally).
 
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LAKid53

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You're fine, I already knew the CBR didn't have elevators (though it's up in the air if they have hidden ones for housekeeping carts and such) and the rest of the advice you gave was excellent <3

But yeah, there are people who've stayed there who SWEAR there are elevators and that they've used them but they're hidden. Then there are others who say they need one fore their own mobility issues and they definitely don't have them at CBR. I'm probably going to try to call directly and ask. They'll probably just put me on a ground floor room anyway though since I'm sure they'd rather I don't use any hidden elevators even if they DO have them.

Stayed there several times. They don't have elevators. And if they have them for Housekeeping, they are well hidden and probably need a key/card to access.
 
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LAKid53

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Yeah I was looking at the scooters that Buena Vista has and I'd really rather go with the smaller one, because it looks more maneuverable with the single wheel in the front but it only lasts 10 miles. If people are already saying to plug in any scooter and the other ones last 15 miles I'm concerned about the smaller one being able to go the distance (literally).

We got the larger one. Lasted all day.
 
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DisneyJoe

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Yeah I was looking at the scooters that Buena Vista has and I'd really rather go with the smaller one, because it looks more maneuverable with the single wheel in the front but it only lasts 10 miles. If people are already saying to plug in any scooter and the other ones last 15 miles I'm concerned about the smaller one being able to go the distance (literally).
The smaller one is no more maneuverable than the other sizes. The smaller one tends to break down more often in my experience.
 
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Simba's Mom

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I just remembered one tip I learned the hard way. If you have the scooter on and you either get off or just shift so that for a split second the seat thinks you've left, the scooter will stop running, and you'll have to turn it off and then turn it back on. It makes sense if the scooter senses you've gone that it would turn off, but I shifted just to "unstick" my shorts and couldn't figure out why the scooter wouldn't go after that.
 
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Missing_Aria

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I just remembered one tip I learned the hard way. If you have the scooter on and you either get off or just shift so that for a split second the seat thinks you've left, the scooter will stop running, and you'll have to turn it off and then turn it back on. It makes sense if the scooter senses you've gone that it would turn off, but I shifted just to "unstick" my shorts and couldn't figure out why the scooter wouldn't go after that.


I could totally see myself sitting there getting frustrated at the scooter if this happened so definitely good to know :)
 
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