Stop Brawling In The Park! You Guys, I'm Serious! Don't Make Me Update The Website!

[PiratesMansion]

How come you only hear about fights at the Mouse? I rarely see any fights happening at other parks.

Fights and issues absolutely happen at other parks, but I imagine that Disney fights get extra coverage as of late.

Within the last few years, off the top of my head, there were fights at parks like:
-Knott's
-Six Flags Great America
-Kings Island
-Kentucky Kingdom
-Oaks Amusement Park
-Universal Orlando

Kennywood had someone throw a weapon over a fence into the park a few months ago.

This is FAR from being only a Disney problem. This is a societal problem.

 

[TP2000]

This is the reason 100%. When you have huge crowds of people paying hundreds of dollars to be packed into small areas while waiting in lines for hours on a hot day, it's a matter of when will a fight break out, not if one will. Not justifying the fighting, but it's not hard for me to see how the current Disney park experience pushes people to their breaking point.

Agreed.

But to be fair to Disneyland, their most recent famous fight, the Toontown Fight, was an inter-family issue. They were all related to each other and had traveled to Disneyland together.

This was obviously not their first rodeo, and they are obviously a family who fights physically with each other on any random weekend in the backyard or family room or at the mall. But this last time, they went big and they did it at Disneyland.

The issue most of us had with Disneyland was that there was a weak to non-existent response. And the fight went on for several minutes, and many of the men nearby rushing to come to the aid of the women being beaten up were other paying park guests and not CM's. While Security CM's just stood by and watched and didn't even do much for crowd control.

There was one, lone male Custodial CM who got into the fracas and tried to separate parties and calm people down. But most of the work was done by other male guests nearby who saw men beating up women and instinctively knew to stop it.

 

[shambolicdefending]

To me, this really isn't a Disney story.

Anti-social behavior is becoming more commonplace and accepted (or even encouraged) as time goes on. Everything from rudeness and profanity to violence and rioting.

I blame various political leaders from all sides and the hypocritical news media for most of it.

Disney is just finding ways to react to the reality we're all dealing with.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

1) Recent society encourages this behavior by raising people with no consequences. When people are told that nothing is their fault, they have no responsibility.

2) People spend a ton of money and the parks don't know how (or don't care) to handle the masses and provide a completely positive experience. When people pay so much to have an enjoyable time; and things incrementally get horrible throughout the day (long lines, crappy overpriced food, average to poor service), they get upset.

3) Social media has made people think they are more important than they actually are. Everyone thinks their opinions matter and they need to be listened to as the internet has allowed them to be heard. When people are so enveloped in that lifestyle and then go out and interact with the real world, people lash out in improper ways because simply- your opinion doesn't matter and you're not that important.

4) We're still in a covid-affected world and will be for a while. Social interaction was extremely harmed from the encouragement of shutting people away from each other. We're now all out back in the world and many people simply forgot how to interact with the real world and all the issues, uneasyness, and unprepared for situations it can present without notice.

 

[Sailor310]

Agreed.

But to be fair to Disneyland, their most recent famous fight, the Toontown Fight, was an inter-family issue. They were all related to each other and had traveled to Disneyland together.

This was obviously not their first rodeo, and they are obviously a family who fights physically with each other on any random weekend in the backyard or family room or at the mall. But this last time, they went big and they did it at Disneyland.

The issue most of us had with Disneyland was that there was a weak to non-existent response. And the fight went on for several minutes, and many of the men nearby rushing to come to the aid of the women being beaten up were other paying park guests and not CM's. While Security CM's just stood by and watched and didn't even do much for crowd control.

There was one, lone male Custodial CM who got into the fracas and tried to separate parties and calm people down. But most of the work was done by other male guests nearby who saw men beating up women and instinctively knew to stop it.

...but in a recent fight at Fantasmic! several burly security CMs bodily grabbed the two fighters a dragged them away. I was surprised/impressed. We've gone on and on here about the CMs hanging back and DL 'don't get involved' policies.

 

[TP2000]

...but in a recent fight at Fantasmic! several burly security CMs bodily grabbed the two fighters a dragged them away. I was surprised/impressed. We've gone on and on here about the CMs hanging back and DL 'don't get involved' policies.

I've been told that the fact that the Disneyland Vice President was physically involved in that Fantasmic! fight (who can even be seen in the videos of it) temporarily gave those Security CM's their testicles back, protected from a Monday morning HR investigation by that executive backup and direct involvement.

 

[Phroobar]

During the Knotts brawls, security immediately jumped in to break things up. However, a lot of them were beat up by "guests".

 

[Rich T]

This is FAR from being only a Disney problem. This is a societal problem.

I agree. But Disney isn’t helping anything by overcharging, under-delivering, and running the parks in a way where inconvenience, annoyance, stress and disappointment are far more a part of the day, in my opinion, than is reasonable for a company with their resources and experience.

They need to cut off reservations at a lower capacity level. The parks are just too crowded. I doubt they’ll ever do this, of course, until people stop going and list overcrowding as the main reason when surveyed.
(Edit)
Yes, I do see the paradox in that last sentence I wrote. Oh well.

 

[Parteecia]

The parks are just too crowded. I doubt they’ll ever do this, of course, until people stop going and list overcrowding as the main reason when surveyed.
(Edit)
Yes, I do see the paradox in that last sentence I wrote. Oh well.

Yogi Berra's "no one goes there anymore -- it's too crowded."?

 

[PiratesMansion]

I agree. But Disney isn’t helping anything by overcharging, under-delivering, and running the parks in a way where inconvenience, annoyance, stress and disappointment are far more a part of the day, in my opinion, than is reasonable for a company with their resources and experience.

They need to cut off reservations at a lower capacity level. The parks are just too crowded. I doubt they’ll ever do this, of course, until people stop going and list overcrowding as the main reason when surveyed.
(Edit)
Yes, I do see the paradox in that last sentence I wrote. Oh well.

This isn't just happening at places that are overpromising and underdelivering. No one can fault places like Kings Island, Knott's, or Universal Orlando for the experience they've been giving their guests over the past few years, yet they too have had fights and major incidents in that same time period.

This is a societal issue, and I'm not sure any place is truly exempt from it until the root causes of these issues are addressed. Til then, no service is good enough, nor is any price high enough, to 100% ensure that any business is protected from experiencing these problems.

 

[Rich T]

This isn't just happening at places that are overpromising and underdelivering.

I know, and I agree. I’m just saying that Disney isn’t helping their daily overcrowded people soup keep calm by constantly pushing their stress buttons.

 

[Phroobar]

The reason for the Knott's brawl was because it was put out on social media there would be a fight a Knotts and everyone should come.

 

[TP2000]

The reason for the Knott's brawl was because it was put out on social media there would be a fight a Knotts and everyone should come.

Really?!? Suddenly that makes sense.

Like those horrible trashy people in LA who started racing and acting dangerously on that fancy new bridge in East LA last year. The news said those races and mass spectator shut-downs of the bridge were all organized via Social Media.

Fascinating times we live in.

Sixth Street Bridge Continues to be Plagued by Crime

LA’s new Sixth Street bridge has been open less than two weeks and it’s already proving to be a bit of a nightmare for police, with the latest trouble involving another so-called “street takeover” Friday night, authorities said Saturday.

www.nbclosangeles.com

 

[truecoat]

Really?!? Suddenly that makes sense.

Like those horrible trashy people in LA who started racing and acting dangerously on that fancy new bridge in East LA last year. The news said those races and mass spectator shut-downs of the bridge were all organized via Social Media.

Fascinating times we live in.

Sixth Street Bridge Continues to be Plagued by Crime

LA’s new Sixth Street bridge has been open less than two weeks and it’s already proving to be a bit of a nightmare for police, with the latest trouble involving another so-called “street takeover” Friday night, authorities said Saturday.

www.nbclosangeles.com

A great way to stop this would be to just block the bridge at both ends when this happens and tow every car away. Getting cars out of impound lots a couple of times will put an end to it. I'm sure there are plenty of towing companies that would be up for this.