stitch encounter? WHAT???

[General Grizz]

No, a lot of great attractions are based on characters.

But a lot aren't.

Haunted Mansion.

Pirates of the Caribbean.

Journey into Imagination.

Magic Skyway.

Timekeeper.

Country Bear Jamboree.

It's a Small World.

Enchanted Tiki Room.

Jungle Cruise.

Carousel of Progress.

America Sings.

The list goes on. These are all original attractions that CAN'T be kept when they close. Pop in "Lilo and Stitch" anytime in the VCR. But when can you watch AE after that closes?

They won't even let us film it.

I'm not saying that "character invasion" is bad in itself. It GETS that way when it starts to overtake.

The flavor of the Enchanted Tiki Room was completely lost with the new version. We lost a heck of a good show with "Goofy's Dancing Jamboree." And when HISTA took over JII, there was another failure.

Character "invasion" isn't always bad.

Both Splash Mountain AND Indiana Jones are both ADDED attractions. They didn't replace any original attractions.

Fantasyland has a tradition of characters. That's what Fantasyland is - reliving the films/animated features.

Circle of Life isn't that bad either.

But when it gets down to adding characters all over the place (starting with Buzz) and rumored elsewhere, that's when problems arise.

It's because we are losing the more original attractions (CoP and TK have been seasonal) and getting these shorter, less-heart, based on film attractions.

Stitch Escape! will show us what Disney can do. Who knows - it may be excellent!

But they can't take away SIR and Skippy. To some, that's as bad as removing Mickey Mouse.

The golden mean is what we want - a blend of character and originality. It started out one way...and it's a shame if it's going to continue like this.

 

[mikeb_86]

Give This atraction a chance!!!

I know some of you may hate this atraction but give it a chance. AE was an good atraction and SE may be better. Lets wate till more info on this ride comes out this coming week at the Press Event.

mikeb_86

 

[CTXRover]

Originally posted by grizzlyhall
The golden mean is what we want - a blend of character and originality. It started out one way...and it's a shame if it's going to continue like this.

Grizzly, that was a very well-thought out and excellent response to my original question and you made me completely understand your point of view. Thanks :wave:

I just wanted to comment on one thing. Of the four new attractions that should be announced by the end of this week, only one deals with an existing character, that being the topic on hand, Stitch. Animal Kingdom is getting EE, an attraction not based on any film. MGM is getting a one-of-a-kind auto stunt show (yes, I know its in Paris, so technically is two-of-a-kind :lol: ). Epcot is getting Soarin', an attraction not based on any film. So it seems, that at least with these new E-tickets, there is a pretty good balance of character and originality. I guess the main concern is that MK attractions are losing that balance, huh?

 

[CTXRover]

Re: Give This atraction a chance!!!

Originally posted by mikeb_86
I know some of you may hate this atraction but give it a chance. AE was an good atraction and SE may be better. Lets wate till more info on this ride comes out this coming week at the Press Event.

That's what I think exactly! As I've said before, it would be cheaper to not do anything or to just close it and let it sit empty vs completely re-doing it. I have faith Imagineers know what they're doing here. Before Lilo and Stitch was even released is when I first heard that Imagineers had this great idea to re-do AE. They've had over a year or two to perfect their idea and I think we should give it a chance. If it is awful, I will be the first to join the ranks of bashing it and rallying for the return of AE (although then its too late, huh )

 

[General Grizz]

Originally posted by CTXRover
Grizzly, that was a very well-thought out and excellent response to my original question and you made me completely understand your point of view. Thanks :wave:

I just wanted to comment on one thing. Of the four new attractions that should be announced by the end of this week, only one deals with an existing character, that being the topic on hand, Stitch. Animal Kingdom is getting EE, an attraction not based on any film. MGM is getting a one-of-a-kind auto stunt show (yes, I know its in Paris, so technically is two-of-a-kind :lol: ). Epcot is getting Soarin', an attraction not based on any film. So it seems, that at least with these new E-tickets, there is a pretty good balance of character and originality. I guess the main concern is that MK attractions are losing that balance, huh?

Yes, def! My character invasion, however, was focusing more on the MK and "Project Gemini" - with what, a rumor of having Toy Story in WOL?

I cannot WAIT for these new attractions. I'm just talking a bit broarder.

Graci!

 

[dxwwf3]

Originally posted by grizzlyhall
These are all original attractions that CAN'T be kept when they close. Pop in "Lilo and Stitch" anytime in the VCR. But when can you watch AE after that closes?

They won't even let us film it.


But they can't take away SIR and Skippy. To some, that's as bad as removing Mickey Mouse.

Those are probable the two best points I've seen about this whole AE replacement.

About the first one, I couldn't have said it better myself. And not to mention a very funny line about videotaping. It seems like Disney would rather have you videotape one of their new movie releases and make bootleg copies as have you videotape AE :lol: . The CM's at AE are about as strict as I've ever seen at AE. I'm not blaming them I'm just telling it like it is (Even they would have to admit they have to be tougher on this attraction than any others).

And on the second point that sums up how I feel alot too. But it's not only SIR and Skippy. It's Chairman Clench, Spinlock, Dr. Femus, the Trya Banks X-S Employee (lol), and not the mention THE ALIEN . I think these are some of the best characters Disney has ever come up with and it's a shame we only got to be with them 8 years.

 

[sharky23]

it's the way you "contradicted" my argument, telling me to get my "facts straight" and such. All I was looking for was someone to say "yep! you heard right! They're changing AE to add stitch!" I may have been a bit sarcastic, perhaps with the intent of getting some stitch-haters to respond, perhaps with the intent of adding a bit of humor, which obviously failed.

in no way was i looking to get a brawl going. why would i want to waste my energy doing that? over a character i can't stand? the thing is, and i've seen it in plenty of posts, is nobody can ever say thye don't like a disney ride or charater without getting attacked on a personal level.

well, i for one apologize for taking the bait and calling you a "feeb." that's how these things always escalate and go off topic. that's not me. again, my initial post was not a personal attack on anyone, it was disney fan venting about a rumor that was heard and not liked. that's all! no biggee.

-b

 

[aim]

WARNING! My opinion!

To me , AE does not really fit in Tommorrowland. It seems like something that should be at Epcot. Lately, everytime I have gone to MK, the wait for AE has been around minutes. I was there the first week of June. And the other time was the week of July 4th. Even at Christmas time! Barely a line. We were there the day before Christmas Eve and walked right on. AE was an OK ride (in my mind ). But it would only make sense to redo it with Stitch. Stich was a great hit. And kids loved it! I loved it, great movie. And Stitch is a great character. With his personality, I feel the redo with him in it will be a good one. I am excited about it! And can't wait to see what goes on.



END OF WARNING

 

[sharky23]

right-on!

thanks to all that got my point! and thanks to grizz for saying that which I totally agree and would love to say, but figured it would cause another argument:

the tiki room's classic charm is totally lost with the "updating" that took place. it's a travesty! those characters have no business being in that attraction! an awesome, walt original got flushed so they can pedal their new characters. that's what i see (fear) happening at AE. and if short-term crowds are large, then they might set their sights elsewhere.

-b

 

[dxwwf3]

Re: right-on!

Originally posted by sharky23
that's what i see (fear) happening at AE. and if short-term crowds are large, then they might set their sights elsewhere.

-b

Well as much as I hate it, I'm sure short term crowds for Stitch Escape will be HUGE. It will probably have a 45 min wait most of the day the first year of operation. But I agree with you and I feel like in the long term that the attration will struggle to keep attendence up. No matter how good or bad it is. Like I said earlier, the shows in that building hold alot of people so it's tough for there to actually be a "line" there. As long as people don't expect Buzz Lightyear type attendence alot of people will think Stitch Escape will be a success. And they may be right, even though I am betting against it.

 

[CSOM]

2 Questions for -b

1) What is a "feeb"?
and
2) What does it mean when a character is "beat"

 

[General Grizz]

Re: right-on!

AE has MUCH more to do with TL than Stitch. Stitch...is an alien. AE is the story of future companies and the warning of technology.

Originally posted by sharky23
thanks to all that got my point! and thanks to grizz for saying that which I totally agree and would love to say, but figured it would cause another argument:

the tiki room's classic charm is totally lost with the "updating" that took place. it's a travesty! those characters have no business being in that attraction! an awesome, walt original got flushed so they can pedal their new characters. that's what i see (fear) happening at AE. and if short-term crowds are large, then they might set their sights elsewhere.

-b

Agreed. Tiki Room. That thing depresses me.

 

[SNS]

I like "Under New Management" but I think they should have had it as a holiday thing instead of a permanent replacement.

 

[CTXRover]

Re: Re: right-on!

Originally posted by grizzlyhall
AE has MUCH more to do with TL than Stitch. Stitch...is an alien. AE is the story of future companies and the warning of technology.

Let me play devil's advocate for a bit This is based solely on rumors, so who knows what is happening for sure.

According to leaked storylines, the new Stitch attraction will be an Alien Detainment center. If done right, although not as focused on future technologies, this "center" could be very future-related. Take for instance, as Earthlings we have now made contact with actual other-worldly aliens in the "land of tomorrow". As such, it has required the institution of a "prison", for a lack of better words, for misbehaving aliens. That's where Stitch comes in. If done right, this attraction would have the overlying theme centered around the future necessity of an Alien Detainment center, in which Stitch just happens to be detained (and hopefully Skippy.)

Here is my own made-up storyline that anyone could use for the backstory of the alien detainment center coming to Tomorrowland. Think of this as the next logical step for the Tomorrowland Interplanetary Convention Center (I really like this name, I hope they can somehow keep it). Now that X-S has "gone too far", aliens have invaded Earth using the teleportation device. X-S was forced to 'close up shop' because of the incident and the TICC had to turn their demonstration area into a facility to detain the 'loose aliens'.

This attraction will probably be more light-hearted than AE in that it probably won't deal with the whole technology of the future standpoint, which I admit is a little disturbing. Although, I believe this whole future of technology storyline is sometimes lost among the average guest as so many people talk during the first video preshow (ughh!) But then again, they have a whole park dedicated to this future technology idea, so its all cool .

 

[bamboo7]

Originally posted by SNS
I like "Under New Management" but I think they should have had it as a holiday thing instead of a permanent replacement.

cool! i'm glad to hear that you like it. personally i'm not much of a fan of it, and i wish they hadn't changed it, but i like hearing that others enjoy the change.

 

[CTXRover]

Originally posted by bamboo7
cool! i'm glad to hear that you like it. personally i'm not much of a fan of it, and i wish they hadn't changed it, but i like hearing that others enjoy the change.

At least when I've gone to watch this last time we had a 3/4 full theater and everyone stayed till the end of the performance. My last showing of the original Tiki Room was like 1/4 full and was consistently ruined by people leaving during the show. This made me mad and I even said to my family, this attraction is on its last legs. Wouldn't you know, the next trip it was "under new management"

I got a kick out of Iago's saying that the birds had to get hip "or your audience will disappear". The sad fact is, that was true. I saw it myself. What I guess is even more depressing is that the general public was genuinly bored by the Tiki Room, a true Disney classic that Walt himself worked on. I think I'd prefer the original as well, but at least people actually stay during the show and now kids point and smile at Iago and Zazu and aren't falling asleep on their parent's laps. :lookaroun To me, seeing people enjoying the new show vs leaving in the middle of the old show is an improvement.

 

[no2apprentice]

AE opened in 1995 (29 years after Walt's death), and I've always felt that Walt didn't have a whole lot to do with the concept. I really don't think he would approve of an attraction that would cause half (if not a majority) of children under the age of 7 to leave the room screaming and crying (and I base this only on my own guesstimation, no offical poles or stats).

And Grizz - well, you surprise me a little. I thought you would embrace a change to make AE more family friendly. I understand your concerns about changing AE due to originality issues, but I really expected you to be more open to a kid friendly environment. Oh well, just when you think you know what pitch a fellow poster will throw...you get the proverbial curve ball.

And The Lion King holds the box office record for an animated film for both domestic and foreign gross, but Finding Nemo passed The Lion King for domestic gross. Should be interesting to see if it well do as well with foreign gross.

 

[bamboo7]

Originally posted by no2apprentice
I really don't think he would approve of an attraction that would cause half (if not a majority) of children under the age of 7 to leave the room screaming and crying.

Not even It's tough to be a bug? lol :lol:
(i see more kids leave that attraction crying than AE, but they give tons of warning there).

also, i appologize for using the 'quote' button. i know its taboo, and un-creative, i just wanted it to look like i was saying a lot when i was really just regurgitating someone elses time and thought.

 

[dxwwf3]

Re: Re: Re: right-on!

Originally posted by CTXRover
Here is my own made-up storyline that anyone could use for the backstory of the alien detainment center coming to Tomorrowland. Think of this as the next logical step for the Tomorrowland Interplanetary Convention Center (I really like this name, I hope they can somehow keep it). Now that X-S has "gone too far", aliens have invaded Earth using the teleportation device. X-S was forced to 'close up shop' because of the incident and the TICC had to turn their demonstration area into a facility to detain the 'loose aliens'.

Although, I believe this whole future of technology storyline is sometimes lost among the average guest as so many people talk during the first video preshow (ughh!) But then again, they have a whole park dedicated to this future technology idea, so its all cool .

Well if they did do your storyline I would be very pleased :lol: If they try to pay tribute to AE in a few ways I will be much more forgiving of it. Even if they just have a character say "Sieze the Future" or say "X-S Has Gone Too Far" I would definately get a kick out of it. The more I read it the more forgiving I would be. Man that is a wonderful storyline that wouldn't make us diehard AE fans nearly as mad. But I also know that Disney WOULD NEVER do anything like that. They want us to forget AE even existed. But oh well thanks for the WONDERFUL storyline.

And on that second paragraph there you summed up why I can't stand some WDW guests. When you said that alot of people talk during the preshow so they have no idea on what they are getting into. And then THEY are the ones who have complained about their kids getting scared because they knew nothing about the attraction to begin with (It was called ExtraTERRORestrial for crying out loud :lol: ) and they didnt watch the preshows. They are the ones who are getting this thing changed.

Overall great post.

 

[dxwwf3]

Originally posted by bamboo7
Not even It's tough to be a bug? lol :lol:
(i see more kids leave that attraction crying than AE, but they give tons of warning there).

LOL!!!!!!!!

That hits it RIGHT on the head for me too. ITTBAB always has more scared kids than AE. But I believe that they give alot of warnings at AE too. But oh well thanks for saying that because it is the truth.

BTW I love using the quote button :lol: It's just easier for people to read IMO.