stitch encounter? WHAT???

[sharky23]

PLEASE tell me these wanna-be imagineers aren't actually doing this! Please tell me they're not retro-fitting another attraction to accomodate their greedy aspirations!

If they were gonna do it, they should have done it when the flick came out! Not 2 years later! DUH! This lame character doesn't have any legs! Peter Pan lasts 40 years, so does Dumbo, Cinderella...But STICH? STICH!!

"And now, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Disney's new character...ZIPPER!!! Oh look, here's his sidekick BUTTON!" Let's close down Jungle Cruise and hang up fabric and then have the "guests" walk through a gift shop at the end, complete with tailors....for their convenience!

Pardon the sarcasm, but I ADORE what Walt created, with the help of many brilliant people, but I can't stand some of this new stuff... it's saturday morning NBC-quality junk that has no place in the parthenon (sp?) of classic animation. Just because stitch, or thread, or whatever, is a "Disney" creation, does not automatically make it a classic! The last "true" Disney-esque character, INMHO were Candlestick and Clock, though I totally buy Genie, and Pumba and Timon (awesome films!) as great personalities and characters and at least appropriate new additions to the Disney film family.

More deserving of a ride than stitch or shoelace (or whatever) that's for sure!

Guess I'm venting a bit, but please take into consideration the love I have for the brilliance this empire has generated.

Sorry, but pocohontas was beat, mulan was beat (although the racoon, as a costumed character, rocked at the liberty tree the last time I was there!) and stitch was beat. Eisner's animation efforts have stunk for a while, with Pixar bailing them out left and right.

Let's not reward their less-than-stellar efforts by applauding this attrocity; let's demand the high-quality artwork and themed attractions that created the legend in the first place.

-b

 

[RPMdfw]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Mine is different. I loved Lilo and Stitch.

Stitch is one of my all time favorite Disney characters.

I hated Alien Encounter. I'm looking forward to the new attraction.

I understand that you're upset that about losing an attraction you love, but can you really compare AE to Peter Pan or Dumbo? I mean it WAS developed under Eisner as well, right?

Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions, just remember that there are lots of us out here that disagree.

WDW has the daunting task of having to please ALL of us. I don't envy them that at all.

Peace, Love and Mickey Mouse!

 

[sharky23]

Hey, right on bro...after all, i don't mean to offend anyone's tastes and everyone is entitled to like the movie. I just feel it's not a classic and time will prove that, as it already has with mulan and pocohontas (which eisner tried to ram down our throats as "new" classics.

For the record, I am not a huge lover of AE (and was not comparing it to Dumbo, since it never was a movie) but the AE attraction was(is?) different, and creative, and if they kept it really intense like when it first opened, it offered a truly unique experience to other rides in the park. Just because everyone doesn't like it doesn't mean it should be changed...shoot, i haven't ridden the carousel since i was 4, but i don't wan't them to change it! I'd bet dollars to donuts every disneyworld fan has stuff they never ride but want it there nonetheless.

this retro-fitted attraction will never draw bigger crowds than the original AE (not including the first yeare or so) and, as I look into my christal ball, I forsee...weaker crowds as a whole!! Clairvoyant Sharky has spoken!:animwink:

 

[Fievel]

Originally posted by sharky23
PLEASE tell me these wanna-be imagineers aren't actually doing this! Please tell me they're not retro-fitting another attraction to accomodate their greedy aspirations!

If they were gonna do it, they should have done it when the flick came out! Not 2 years later! DUH! This lame character doesn't have any legs! Peter Pan lasts 40 years, so does Dumbo, Cinderella...But STICH? STICH!!

"And now, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Disney's new character...ZIPPER!!! Oh look, here's his sidekick BUTTON!" Let's close down Jungle Cruise and hang up fabric and then have the "guests" walk through a gift shop at the end, complete with tailors....for their convenience!

Pardon the sarcasm, but I ADORE what Walt created, with the help of many brilliant people, but I can't stand some of this new stuff... it's saturday morning NBC-quality junk that has no place in the parthenon (sp?) of classic animation. Just because stitch, or thread, or whatever, is a "Disney" creation, does not automatically make it a classic! The last "true" Disney-esque character, INMHO were Candlestick and Clock, though I totally buy Genie, and Pumba and Timon (awesome films!) as great personalities and characters and at least appropriate new additions to the Disney film family.

More deserving of a ride than stitch or shoelace (or whatever) that's for sure!

Guess I'm venting a bit, but please take into consideration the love I have for the brilliance this empire has generated.

Sorry, but pocohontas was beat, mulan was beat (although the racoon, as a costumed character, rocked at the liberty tree the last time I was there!) and stitch was beat. Eisner's animation efforts have stunk for a while, with Pixar bailing them out left and right.

Hmm...where to begin...

Originally posted by sharky23


Pardon the sarcasm, but I ADORE what Walt created, with the help of many brilliant people, but I can't stand some of this new stuff... it's saturday morning NBC-quality junk that has no place in the parthenon (sp?) of classic animation.

-b

So if the old ride was within walt's vision, then tell me why it was redone at least twice since he died. It's not really Walt's vision. It was just tacked on to the park to give it some thrill. If anything, the entrance of Stitch into the ride makes it more worthy of Walt's vision. Never forget that the park was ultimately a place for him to promote his movies.

And by the way? Are you comparing the animation of the original movies with the new generation of animation? Are you serious?

Originally posted by sharky23

Eisner's animation efforts have stunk for a while, with Pixar bailing them out left and right.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was the Lion King the highest grossing film for Disney? That had nothing to do with Pixar.

Originally posted by sharky23

"And now, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Disney's new character...ZIPPER!!! Oh look, here's his sidekick BUTTON!" Let's close down Jungle Cruise and hang up fabric and then have the "guests" walk through a gift shop at the end, complete with tailors....for their convenience!

Don't hold it in...let it all out....tell us how you really feel.

Originally posted by sharky23

Pardon the sarcasm, but I ADORE what Walt created, with the help of many brilliant people, but I can't stand some of this new stuff... it's saturday morning NBC-quality junk that has no place in the parthenon (sp?) of classic animation. Just because stitch, or thread, or whatever, is a "Disney" creation, does not automatically make it a classic! The last "true" Disney-esque character, INMHO were Candlestick and Clock, though I totally buy Genie, and Pumba and Timon (awesome films!) as great personalities and characters and at least appropriate new additions to the Disney film family.

More deserving of a ride than stitch or shoelace (or whatever) that's for sure!

This passage is soaked with hostility and sarcasm. It's also filled with inconsistency and your amazing ability to state two opposite opinions at once.

So you think all new disney animation is junk, yet you tell us how you "totally buy" most of the new character (sans Stitch).

What I'm saying is that I don't agree with you. AE wasn't within Walt's vision for a park. He wanted a place adults and kids could hang out together. He didn't want a place where a kid had to wait outside the ride with mom, or cry and scream when an alien licks his neck.

Just watch - same effect, but if Stitch licks him, it's a whole different ballgame in his mind.

 

[CTXRover]

I think a lot of us underscore the true popularity of Stitch. For instance, Stitch was placed on Santa's float last year during the Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Parade. Now guess who the kids were actually telling their parents to look at. Nope, it wasn't Santa, it was Stitch!! I was like, what in the world? But to be honest, I was the same way: Hey, there's Stitch :lol: So there you go, right from the guest's mouth at the MK, Stitch was more popular than Santa!

This re-do isn't just a cheap attempt to make money in a gift shop. Its reported to be costing over $10 million. True, no where near the 100 million for MS, but it isn't pocket change either. It would be cheaper to do nothing, especially since they already sell Stitch stuff in the gift shop. I predict this re-do will be a big hit among the target audience of the MK: the young and the young at heart.

AE was a great attraction in my mind, but it never really fit in the MK. Afterall, the original plan for AE was to clone it in all the Tomorrowland's around the world. If it was truly the big hit with guests that it was supposed to be, at least Tokyo Disneyland would have gotten a version of it.

I urge everyone to wait before making an opinion on this change. If you already have the perception this is going to be an awful change, you probably will never accept it and like it.

 

[sharky23]

Love the way you cut and pasted! Nice and creative! Never saw that before! Makes you look like you're saying a lot when all your doing is regurgitating someone else's time and thought and then tagging on a reply! Brilliant! It truly is easier to destroy than to create.

I never said AE was Walt's vision. Is pleasure island Walt's vision? Where to begin...for me...on your antagonistic response. I should've known better than to post ANYTHING that blasts the mighty stitch on this website.

First off, lion king and aladdin aren't quite "new" are they, as they are a decade (or pushing ) old.

You know what? I don't care what you think, because you're the feeb that claps at anything that's delivered on your plate. The first responder was cool about it, gave his point of view. My point of view might've come across as a bit more hostile (and isn't that my perogative in a democratic society) because I take animation (and especially character development) seriously. As a matter of fact, I can draw, really well, can you, Button? Whatever. Go put on a DVD.

-s

 

[matt&helen]

There is no need to get all huffy about it. You don't like Stitch, or the new attraction that's coming, that's fine. There's no need for hostility. But don't knock the attraction till you've tried it. Who knows you might like it, and if you don't then your post might have something to it.

 

[AriBelle23]

My goodness!! For real...Okay, this is one reason why I get leery sometimes about reading these posts...people start freaking out and taking everything to heart...maybe the original post was a little sarcastic...but as was the 2nd response. If someone has an opinion, then they have all the right in the world to state it. No way should anyone try and prove their opinion wrong...I guess that is what debate is about...last time I checked this was wdwmagic.com...but in any case, I loved Alien Encounter actually, I love thrill rides, and eveyttime i was in this attraction i got freaked out a little. I thought it was great. I also love Stitch...So I am not exactly sure how I stand on this one. If it was up to me, I would keep Alien Encounter just the way it is, and put a new Stitch ride in one of the show buildings that aren't being used. But it's not up to me so I guess we just kinda have to go with the flow... Now please don't anyone respond to my post with a mean, bitter, sarcastic reply. I was not trying to be rude or anything of the sort, i was just stating MY opinion.

 

[sharky23]

I was just stating that which I thought was timely (and really thought many others would agree upon).

Wow. stitch rocks huh? I didn't know. Honestly. I thought he was beat
(still do, always will), and thought other Disney fans deep down inside knew he was weak too. But if the majority of Disney fans think he's cool...well, this post is done! No offense! On to the next topic!

Have a good one all!

-b

 

[mkt]

I'm not a huge fan of AE... I for one am glad a change is taking place... albeit one I never thought would happen

 

[bamboo7]

this thread gave me a headache. i feel like i am being screamed at.

 

[SNS]

Originally posted by sharky23
Love the way you cut and pasted! Nice and creative! Never saw that before! Makes you look like you're saying a lot when all your doing is regurgitating someone else's time and thought and then tagging on a reply! Brilliant! It truly is easier to destroy than to create.

In a message board arguement/debate it is very common to quote what someone says, so that you can post replies to each point. I don't see why anyone would get so angry about something like that.

 

[Fievel]

Originally posted by sharky23
Love the way you cut and pasted! Nice and creative! Never saw that before! Makes you look like you're saying a lot when all your doing is regurgitating someone else's time and thought and then tagging on a reply! Brilliant! It truly is easier to destroy than to create.

I never said AE was Walt's vision. Is pleasure island Walt's vision? Where to begin...for me...on your antagonistic response. I should've known better than to post ANYTHING that blasts the mighty stitch on this website.

First off, lion king and aladdin aren't quite "new" are they, as they are a decade (or pushing ) old.

You know what? I don't care what you think, because you're the feeb that claps at anything that's delivered on your plate. The first responder was cool about it, gave his point of view. My point of view might've come across as a bit more hostile (and isn't that my perogative in a democratic society) because I take animation (and especially character development) seriously. As a matter of fact, I can draw, really well, can you, Button? Whatever. Go put on a DVD.

-s

Hey...listen here...this "feeb" helps support this site, so before you think I'm here to just cause trouble, I suggest you get your facts straight. I contradicted your opinion and you didn't like it. That's too bad - don't post the topic then.

Second, and this has been stated before - this isn't a democracy. Steve owns this board and his rules go no matter what you think. He can ban you for misspelling a word if he wanted. (although he wouldn't)

The fact that I can't draw has nothing to do with this conversation. It's merely another excuse to take a shot at a guy who didn't agree with what you said.

And by the way - welcome to the message board world. Where we'll cut/paste/quote to make sure we know what part of your rant we were responding to. I was simply trying to make my reply a little easier to understand. Like I said earlier - if you don't want honest replies, don't post threads that can cause controversy. You come to a disney website and knock a disney character. And that's all fine and good. But to go at it with no tact and a lot of sarcasm in your voice only made you look more foolish in the end. If you would have presented a well thought out argument that was indisputable and intelligent, then you might have found some support. But it sounded like a 13 year old's attack on a character he doesn't like.

 

[Fievel]

Originally posted by AriBelle23
If someone has an opinion, then they have all the right in the world to state it. No way should anyone try and prove their opinion wrong...

Actually....yes, we can. He just told us that all Disney fans think deep down that Stitch is weak. So what was that? All I did was take what he wrote and responded with a reply that actually took very little organization and research to take down.

Again this comes down to opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own. However, if you're going to state it on a message board, you better have your facts straight and be prepared to state it intelligently, or you're bound to insult somebody, and then the whirlwind begins. People read the original post as insulting because they honestly liked Stitch.

 

[jake]

Everyone is entitled to his opinion it's the 'tude that makes everybody else's britches bunch up. :lookaroun

 

[dxwwf3]

Originally posted by sharky23
For the record, I am not a huge lover of AE (and was not comparing it to Dumbo, since it never was a movie) but the AE attraction was(is?) different, and creative, and if they kept it really intense like when it first opened, it offered a truly unique experience to other rides in the park. Just because everyone doesn't like it doesn't mean it should be changed...shoot, i haven't ridden the carousel since i was 4, but i don't wan't them to change it! I'd bet dollars to donuts every disneyworld fan has stuff they never ride but want it there nonetheless.

this retro-fitted attraction will never draw bigger crowds than the original AE (not including the first yeare or so) and, as I look into my christal ball, I forsee...weaker crowds as a whole!! Clairvoyant Sharky has spoken!:animwink:

AMEN!!!! This is my total point exactly. There is nothing else like AE in any theme park I know of. It is a unique original and alot of the draw to AE is that it came from Disney and it let people know that even Disney can create a wonderful attraction aimed totally at the older set if they wanted to.

I also liked what you said about just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be changed. I really don't care for too much in Fantasyland or any of the stage productions (like Beauty and the Beast, Festival of the Lion King, etc...) but IN NO WAY do I want them to be replaced. I know that they are extremely popular and they should stay. AE is all that us young adults have that we can claim "our own" at the MK (Splash Mountain is a Fantasyland dark ride with drops and Space & Big Thunder Mountains are family roller coasters).

Another GREAT point you made was the popularity of Stitch Escape after the first couple of years. I also believe that it will have less crowds than AE does right now. I mean nobody should expect lines for it after the first 3 or so years mainly because the building holds SO many people to prevent actual lines (just think there's the holding pin, 1st preshow, 2nd preshow, and TWO main chambers. That's alot of people).

But it's like beating a dead horse. AE is coming up on it's last week and there's nothing I can do about it. All I can do is keep wearing my Alien Encounter shirt to the MK and when people ask about it I can tell them about my favorite attraction!

 

[General Grizz]

I'd be interested to see the AE attendance figures for summer 2003. Does anyone have them?

If AE went down in attendance, I'm trying to think, how would new guests be attracted to a new version? That's the question. Perhaps they couldn't think of anything but instead added Stitch.

If figures were still high, then I'd be upset...I hate when we lose original attractions.

 

[CTXRover]

Originally posted by grizzlyhall
I hate when we lose original attractions.

I hear a lot of this and I'm genuinly curious as to why Stitch Escape or Stitch's Great Escape or whatever it will be called will not be like we are gaining a 'new' original attraction? I know AE is unique and SE (SGE) will probably use a similar layout, but it as if we are already condemning this new attraction before we know anything about it. Heck, we are still just guessing on the name!

Please, I urge everyone to wait and see what this new attraction is like before passing judgement. It is upsetting to see an "original attraction" like AE go, but in its place we are getting another "new" attraction that could be even more 'original' and even more of a classic! I think everyone's fear about this re-do is what happened with Figment. That was a true disaster and even they know it. But look at their track record of re-doing attractions. Almost all have been better than their predecessors. Some "fans" of those attractions (like Horizons ) may not see that, but the average guest sure does.

 

[SNS]

When they say original, they mean an attraction that doesn't have a character that already exists.

 

[CTXRover]

Originally posted by SNS
When they say original, they mean an attraction that doesn't have a character that already exists.

I understand that and it makes a lot of sense. However, does this then mean that Splash Mountain is not original? Or how about Dinosaur or its predecessor in technology, The Indiana Jones Adventure at Disneyland? I think it would be hard to argue these attractions themselves are not original, even though the characters used already exist. So still, in my opinion, Stitch Escape, the attraction and not the character, could be very original. But I totally see the concern/complaint.