Step 1: Economic Downturn; Step 2: ?; Step Three: Increased Profit!

Boray

Member
LOL !! I wonder if anyone else got your South Park reference!!

Phase 1: Collect Underpants

Phase 2: :shrug:

Phase 3: Profits

I got it and it's AWESOME!

Time to go to work! Work all night!
search for underpants hey!
We won't stop untill we have underpants!
Yum tum yummy tum hey!

The underpants gnomes are supposed to pick up the dirty clothes in my kids' bedrooms every day...I think the gnomes have gone on strike in my house....or on vacation...to Walt Disney World!!!!!!
 

IlikeDW

Active Member
When they find the price point that hurts

So the speculated economic rationale as to why Disney is making entertainment cuts (Block Party Bash, Fantasmic) probably doesn’t hold much water with Disney releasing its fiscal third quarter numbers. Thanks to a 5% increase from Parks and Resorts over the same period the previous year, Disney announced an overall 9% increase.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121742630081796941.html

I’m sure this thread will be wrought by the usual complaining that it’s now too expensive to go to Disney, etc., but the increased profit shows how Disney is somewhat immune to economic reality. Looks like their “foolish” decision to increase ticket prices is not such a bad one. I wonder just when they will suffer a diminished return from increasing the prices and offering less?

It took $4.00 a gallon Gas to modify peoples driving behavior
Americans Drove 1.4 Billion Fewer Highway Miles in April of 2008 than in April 2007
http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot8408.htm

Everything has a point where it becomes too expensive. Disneys "misson" is to get as close to that point as they can without going over.
 

BiggerTigger

Well-Known Member
It's called the equalibrium price. That price the company is willing to sacrifice and that which a consumer is willing to pay.

Alas, economics.

It is a smart move on Disney's part to plan ahead notifying its consumers that it will be reducing its entertainment schedule so people can better plan than just arriving and then finding out. They can also add shows if they are in need of that additional entertainment than it would be if they actually closed down a show all together.
 

Computer Magic

Well-Known Member
I came across this today regarding the quarter report:

In the U.S., attendance dipped at both Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort, but higher ticket prices and guest spending helped keep the division in the black.

Projecting forward I think Disney is expecting more downturn due to the economy. Most people already booked their vacation 6-9 months out, which puts us just before economy issues.

Disney's stock has held up relatively well during the current economic doldrums, falling a mere 2% so far this year compared to a 13% slide on the blue chip index. However today it has fallen 4 percent.

The funny thing is reading these boards, you can tell the execs are preparing for a slowdown around Oct...
 

Missing20K

Well-Known Member
I came across this today regarding the quarter report:



Projecting forward I think Disney is expecting more downturn due to the economy. Most people already booked their vacation 6-9 months out, which puts us just before economy issues.

Disney's stock has held up relatively well during the current economic doldrums, falling a mere 2% so far this year compared to a 13% slide on the blue chip index. However today it has fallen 4 percent.

The funny thing is reading these boards, you can tell the execs are preparing for a slowdown around Oct...


According to my trading account, and the value of said account, the share price of DIS has fallen about 8% since it closed at 33 last July 31. Which is no fun, watching money disappear. Granted, as you said, today it lost 4% but still, it's hard not to be precise when it's my money. Thankfully, I am confident in the long term outlook of the company and am more of a value/growth investor in the extremely humble and making a poor excuse of an example mold of Buffet/Graham. But on topic, here is short blurb about the 4th quarter hotel bookings. They aren't entirely immune to the economic conditions here, but they apparently also increased revenue and profit through ESPN and DLP.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/mediaNews/idUKN3031883320080730

Oh and for something completely different, anyone a shareholder from the time when they had benefits and discounts at the parks and resorts??? I wish that were still the case. :cry:
 

luckyeye13

New Member
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200807301745DOWJONESDJONLINE000941_FORTUNE5.htm

Funny how they attribute their "drop" in attendance to the timing of the Easter holiday this year. EVERYONE who works in this business knows that Orlando's peak Spring Break attendance occured will after the Easter holiday throughout the month of April.

These guys should take a que from Six Flags and start blaming the weather. It will work for at least a couple of quarters!

Actually, the peak time during the spring for WDW really was right around Easter. Generally, it is the week before and the week of Easter. Besides the obvious fact that the parks are swarmed with Guests during that time and everything (except Epcot, of course) is open later, Cast Members also know it's that time because shifts are longer and more CMs need to be scheduled for all areas of the resort. When I was responsible for creating schedules for a small group of CMs last year, this was one of those times when the "all hands on deck" method was used. So, yes that is the especially busy period at that time of year.
 

pheneix

Well-Known Member
Actually, the peak time during the spring for WDW really was right around Easter. Generally, it is the week before and the week of Easter. Besides the obvious fact that the parks are swarmed with Guests during that time and everything (except Epcot, of course) is open later, Cast Members also know it's that time because shifts are longer and more CMs need to be scheduled for all areas of the resort. When I was responsible for creating schedules for a small group of CMs last year, this was one of those times when the "all hands on deck" method was used. So, yes that is the especially busy period at that time of year.

Most of the time thats true. This year was really screwed up because of the Easter schedule. All the local parks and resorts were running "all hands on deck" staffing the last two weeks of March only to find attendance running way below projections. In April things really cranked up and we ran well over projection all the way till the end of the month.

My original post should have been clearer in that this year was a real change from normal Spring Break attendance. The point I'm trying to make is that the "management" mentioned in the article I linked to are probably taking advantage of an outsider's ignorance of attendance trends in Orlando to explain away the deeper problems that are going on at WDW.
 
Plus, aren't some speculating that the Fantasmic cuts have something to do with American Idol?? (I'm sure they want to promote their evening AI show as the big event, and might as well save Fantasmic $$ in the process)

What I have heard are along the lines of having to do with AI. I heard that it was in part to do with the AI project already going way over the parks prjected budget for the project and are being forced to make sever cutbacks to make up for it. IE...Entertainment.
 

MousDad

New Member
Just to play Devils Advocate for a second, isn't it the common perception on these boards that these entertainment cuts are related more to projected attendance for next quarter, or next year, rather than last quarter?

In the podcast, it was stated that resort bookings are flat for the next quarter, and up for the following quarter (compared to last year's numbers). This probably refer's to a worldwide total, but that wasn't specified.
 

Missing20K

Well-Known Member
If anyone read the link I posted earlier


"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Walt Disney Co (DIS.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Chief Financial Officer Tom Staggs said on Wednesday that hotel bookings at its domestic theme parks were flat in the current quarter, but "modestly ahead" of a year before in the quarter ending in December."

So MousDad you are correct, and to answer your question, the hotel bookings data is for the domestic parks. :wave:

UltimtMickeyFan, any confirmation of AI going overbudget? You make an interesting argument, so I am curious as to the validity and sources of your information. If true, that would be quite telling, imo, of WDI's management and operations. It doesn't seem like an attraction that would have been too difficult to project an appropriate budget, unless the rising prices of commodities and/or the credit crunch have anything to do with that. Just curious, thanks! :)
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
If the economy continues to suck into next year, NEXT year at this time should be a better judge of attendance, etc. Most people likely had travel plans for this year already in the works and likely paid for, so I don't see a whole lot changing just yet.

Exactly. When the Canadian dollar is stronger than the U.S. dollar, you know we're in trouble! Anyway, MOST people plan their vacations months in advance...most of the people on these boards seem to be booking their vacation six months to a year in advance. So the economic effects on Disney for this year will be minimal. Even Six Flags had a better quarter than its last. Some people seem to be delusional about the economy. When companies are charging more, they are going to be making more...it isn't a measure of the financial situation of the consumers. The real determination will be Christmas, when sales will be scrutinized even more closely.
 

firemandisney

New Member
I think the whole "economic downturn" is certainly over stated.
Im as middle class as you can get and still do as much liesure activity as ever before.
I work alot of O.T. when i can (im a FireFighter) and save accordingly.
Here in Ohio we had one G.M. plant announce layoffs of appox 500.
In another they are adding a shift and hiring 600..Its all relative.
Honda has 3 factories here. NONE with layoffs and 2 just added a shift to build more Accords and civics.
I just dont see all the doom and gloom and refuse to participate in an "economic downturn" Its my resposibility not to, for myself and family.
As for Disney, Kudos! Business is GREAT and profits are up!
Gotta love Capitalism!
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Exactly. When the Canadian dollar is stronger than the U.S. dollar, you know we're in trouble! Anyway, MOST people plan their vacations months in advance...most of the people on these boards seem to be booking their vacation six months to a year in advance. So the economic effects on Disney for this year will be minimal. Even Six Flags had a better quarter than its last. Some people seem to be delusional about the economy. When companies are charging more, they are going to be making more...it isn't a measure of the financial situation of the consumers. The real determination will be Christmas, when sales will be scrutinized even more closely.

By that logic, every company should just charge an exorbitant amount for its products--since that way they will make more! There is no way Disney's (or any company, for that matter) profit is independent of the financial situation of its consumers. If consumers aren't doing well financially, they won't pay the increased prices Disney is charging. They can't just "charge more to make more". Each time costs are increased, Disney effectively prices itself above what X people are willing to pay (which is fine, because it's still beneficial to lose X customers so long as the overall increase in price is higher than the overall value of the lost sales).

Disney has yet to reach an equilibrium price in the law of diminishing returns, as they keep increasing prices, but attendance also continues increasing.

As for the argument that this quarter was not a good barometer of how Disney will be impacted by the economy since people plan vacations far in advance, I disagree. While people do plan vacations months in advance, the penalties for canceling a Disney trip are marginal (air fare only if staying on site). If people thought they were hurting so badly, they would cancel their trips, even if that meant a penalty.

I think the reality of it all is that Disney is largely immune to a negative economy (9-11 numbers are tough to compare since those lows largely had to do with a fearful public). Americans are often illogically unwilling to give up their vacations, even when those vacations are not financially feasible. Those Americans who are financially insulted from the economy won't quit vacationing, but those who are affected by the economy and are logical will cancel trips. Conversely, foreign travelers might be increasingly lured to America with a favorable monetary conversion. I doubt the group of 'affected logical' individuals is that great in number, so overall, I'd imagine it's a wash.

Quite simply, I think Disney has opportune excuses to make cutbacks right now, and is going to avail itself of those excuses.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
Again, people manage to reduce their understanding of the economy and Disney being "immune" to the economic downturn to the most simplistic of terms and ideas.

Just because Disney saw an increase in profit and are raising ticket prices doesn't mean they don't anticipate problems in the future.

I mean seriously, does anybody here have any understanding of a budget and expectations involving a big comapany with stock holders and a board of directors?:shrug:

No, I suppose not.
 

Enigma

Account Suspended
Step 1: economic downturn

Step 2: Find suckers to come on down while raising prices

Step 3: Get overshadowed by a once inferior competitor due to complacency
 

ryguy

Well-Known Member
Our family went down at the end of april 08 figuring the crowds would be dead because it was 3 weeks after easter. Well we were wrong it was very crowded, a 90 minute wait for peter pan. So I would agree that this year was odd as far as the Easter holiday season.
 
Dont know if is exactly what this post was about, but on CNBC this week, Robert Iger was interviewed. He said park attendance at the US parks showed no signs of slowing. He said less than 25% of the florida guests ar non-domestic customers, compared to an historical low to mid teens %. HE also stated that Q3 booking are flat compared to a nrear record '07, and Q4 bookings are actually up over '07 , all for the US parks. He said tthis was a happy surprise to them and would ajust outlooks, and plans accordingly if the trends continue. He seemed optomistic about the resialiance to the US traveler to gas prices and an Economic slowdown.
(And, no he didnt mention any 5th gate, beastly kinngdom, or what they are doing with the POP Legendary years buildings. (lol) )
 

firemandisney

New Member
I think we are going to see a huge drop in domestic tourists starting in September.
Well, that would be NORMAL considering school starting.
In general though, The GDP is going up and i think the ole economy is gonna get back in high gear come election time (regardless of who wins).
Things are NEVER as bad as the media would allow us to think.
 

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