Star Wars themed land announced for Disneyland

[dweezil78]

Just wanted to add, if you look at all of the Star Wars Land concept art, it is primarily composed of earth tones with trees and rockwork that should blend in very well with ROA. And that's if they don't put in any trees/landscape as buffer between lands. I really don't think there's much reason to be concerned about this.

 

[dweezil78]

I'm sure WDI will make Star Wars Land's Frontierland-facing butt as pretty as possible. That doesn't change the issue of depth loss - the river and island being cut in half removes the "just around the riverbend" arc of the river that fools your mind into thinking it extends much further than it does.

There will be no wilderness to explore from the safety of your canoe or riverboat. It will all be in plain sight from the banks of NOS.

As I've said in other threads, if you can't figure out why neutering the ROA is a bad thing, I can't help you. There's nothing I can say or do that will illuminate the situation. Either you appreciate the ROA and think it should be fixed, or you view it as expendable and don't care. I understand why a lot of 2015 Disney fans would see it as expendable, but that doesn't make it actually so.

All fair points. I guess only time will tell what the real impact is, until they we can only hope they don't muck it up too bad!

 

[Phroobar]

I'm sure WDI will make Star Wars Land's Frontierland-facing butt as pretty as possible. That doesn't change the issue of depth loss - the river and island being cut in half removes the "just around the riverbend" arc of the river that fools your mind into thinking it extends much further than it does.
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I have not seen any WDI plans that show the island being cut in HALF. Most guesses are the tip of the island is going and the train will be on the other side of the river. You can't see a vista that is hidden by a river bend. Therefore, no vista exists now.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

I have not seen any WDI plans that show the island being cut in HALF. Most guesses are the tip of the island is going and the train will be on the other side of the river. You can't see a vista that is hidden by a river bend. Therefore, no vista exists now.

Have you seen any WDI plans?

 

[1023]

I have not seen any WDI plans that show the island being cut in HALF. Most guesses are the tip of the island is going and the train will be on the other side of the river. You can't see a vista that is hidden by a river bend. Therefore, no vista exists now.

The northern area will be gone (Over one-third). There will still be a slight bend in either direction (still a funky figure 8 look). There are areas (in the Mark Twain/Columbia ride path) that will be tighter to the shoreline than before. The waterway will be shorter. The Railroad path will drift as far as the current opposite shorelines position on the island if not actually on it (looking at the scale I'd say it's sitting on the island's area). The sightlines will be different but maintain the same types of views. This has all been said before in varying was by other informed poster's.

Actually, there are views through the tree lines throughout your voyage around the river and from the island and in many other places. The treeline and landscape do create a frame in this area and all over the park, for that matter. Please review the definition of vista for clarity.

*1023*

 

[mickEblu]

I'm sure WDI will make Star Wars Land's Frontierland-facing butt as pretty as possible. That doesn't change the issue of depth loss - the river and island being cut in half removes the "just around the riverbend" arc of the river that fools your mind into thinking it extends much further than it does.

There will be no wilderness to explore from the safety of your canoe or riverboat. It will all be in plain sight from the banks of NOS.

As I've said in other threads, if you can't figure out why neutering the ROA is a bad thing, I can't help you. There's nothing I can say or do that will illuminate the situation. Either you appreciate the ROA and think it should be fixed, or you view it as expendable and don't care. I understand why a lot of 2015 Disney fans would see it as expendable, but that doesn't make it actually so.

I'm no geometry expert but I do know that the ROA the way it currently is configured is very important to the west side of the park. Assuming that Disney goes through with their plans and shave off a third of TSI is it still possible to maintain the illusion of the ROA being an endless river or are we going to be able to see the entire loop the boats travel through while standing in NOS or Critter Country? That's the important question for me. I don't mind the river being shortened a little or losing a few of the show scenes on the northern end especially if we get an enhanced berm/ new show scenes. But I just want to know the ROA "illusion" will still be there. TDA couldn't be that shortsighted could they ?

 

[TP2000]

The vistas will be gone. There is no arguing that. You can't look off into the distance if there is no distance.

Posted this below but then saw other folks had taken up the "vista" thing. Sorry @lazyboy97o, don't mean to gang up on you! ...

But the "vista" at it's longest point, when standing to either side of the Fantasmic stage and looking due north up the river, is just a wall of trees in the middle distance. What am I missing about "distance"?

The river will still bend past the Hungry Bear as seen in this photo, but into a shorter curve that won't change the view from New Orleans Square since that can't be seen anyway from New Orleans Square.

From the island itself you also get the longest views, which again are just a wall of trees in the middle distance. Here's from the barrel bridge area looking towards the fiberglass moose. It's pleasant looking, but not exactly awe inspiring or impressive in its scale. The bend of the river framed by green trees will still be there.

And these photos were all taken this weekend, before the leaves fall from the deciduous trees and expose the Mickey & Friends structure beyond. If Star Wars Land construction can get some rockwork or frontier themed structures on the northern end of the River complex to help those poor sightlines, this will be an aesthetic improvement for a placid ride past trees and fiberglass statues of "wildlife".

 

[Californian Elitist]

The only point I was making was that Marvel fits better in DL...

I actually said the same thing some posts back.

 

[Californian Elitist]

As I've said in other threads, if you can't figure out why neutering the ROA is a bad thing, I can't help you. There's nothing I can say or do that will illuminate the situation. Either you appreciate the ROA and think it should be fixed, or you view it as expendable and don't care. I understand why a lot of 2015 Disney fans would see it as expendable, but that doesn't make it actually so.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. Exactly this. Someone a few posts back (can't remember) said they couldn't understand why we're upset and object to these plans. I tried to respond, but I couldn't because the answer seemed so obvious and clear, so I just left it alone.

Excuse my foul mouth, but these plans for RoA/Frontierland/Star Wars Land are absolute f***ery.

 

[britain]

Foolery! Tom foolery!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Posted this below but then saw other folks had taken up the "vista" thing. Sorry @lazyboy97o, don't mean to gang up on you! ...

But the "vista" at it's longest point, when standing to either side of the Fantasmic stage and looking due north up the river, is just a wall of trees in the middle distance. What am I missing about "distance"?

The river will still bend past the Hungry Bear as seen in this photo, but into a shorter curve that won't change the view from New Orleans Square since that can't be seen anyway from New Orleans Square.

From the island itself you also get the longest views, which again are just a wall of trees in the middle distance. Here's from the barrel bridge area looking towards the fiberglass moose. It's pleasant looking, but not exactly awe inspiring or impressive in its scale. The bend of the river framed by green trees will still be there.

And these photos were all taken this weekend, before the leaves fall from the deciduous trees and expose the Mickey & Friends structure beyond. If Star Wars Land construction can get some rockwork or frontier themed structures on the northern end of the River complex to help those poor sightlines, this will be an aesthetic improvement for a placid ride past trees and fiberglass statues of "wildlife".

I, and others, are quite familiar with the park. Experiential spaces aren't about a single fixed point.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

If it wasn't Star Wars or Marvel, it would be another movie IP. You can thank your fellow humankind for that one. The masses show up for movies based on comics, books, etc... Not for original concept anymore. Same with theme parks. Look what Potter did. Don't blame Disney, blame the billions of people who show up to movies and theme parks based on other men's ideas.

Hopefully this is only a cycle of society.

I blame Disney for shoehorning unrelated movie properties into their crown jewels, "it's a small world", Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion.

 

[TP2000]

I, and others, are quite familiar with the park. Experiential spaces aren't about a single fixed point.

Okay. But you still can't see the Indian Village from New Orleans Square or the Hungry Bear Restauant, so who cares if it gets moved? Or replaced with something better?

Even when you are riding on the Mark Twain or a Canoe, which provides the most open views compared to the more constrictive Columbia deck, a rider passing through this space can not see more than 25% of the river at any one time. Here's a view from the bow of the Mark Twain this weekend, which is a typical view seen during that trip, and in the area that will be radically rebuilt.

Lots of trees in the middle distance, with a fiberglass statue to look at about every 50 yards. I don't see how that will change by shortening the northern track by a third. And yet I can also imagine how WDI could dramatically plus up this type of view with aesthetics that are far more engaging and entertaining, especially if they need to hide new Star Wars show warehouses to the north.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Okay. But you still can't see the Indian Village from New Orleans Square or the Hungry Bear Restauant, so who cares if it gets moved? Or replaced with something better?

Even when you are riding on the Mark Twain or a Canoe, which provides the most open views compared to the more constrictive Columbia deck, a rider passing through this space can not see more than 25% of the river at any one time. Here's a view from the bow of the Mark Twain this weekend, which is a typical view seen during that trip, and in the area that will be radically rebuilt.

Lots of trees in the middle distance, with a fiberglass statue to look at about every 50 yards. I don't see how that will change by shortening the northern track by a third. And yet I can also imagine how WDI could dramatically plus up this type of view with aesthetics that are far more engaging and entertaining, especially if they need to hide new Star Wars show warehouses to the north.

Again, you're not the only one who has been to Disneyland on these boards.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

MiceChat insinuated that the Indians would be removed? I would not like that.

 

[TP2000]

Again, you're not the only one who has been to Disneyland on these boards.

Yeah, most of us have APs.

But you are worried about losing the "distance" of the Rivers of America sightlines. What distance? It's a series of right hand turns framed by lots of trees and overgrown shrubs. I've never experienced the feeling of "looking off into the distance" on the Mark Twain or from the shores of Tom Sawyer Island.

There's not much distance to be seen there, just trees semi-blocking the view of a big parking structure off Ball Road.

I get the feeling of distance when I walk into Cars Land and look down the street at the towering mountains above all the neon. When I ride the Mark Twain, I don't get much distance. Just a lot of trees.

 

[TP2000]

MiceChat insinuated that the Indians would be removed? I would not like that.

I wouldn't expect them to return. I'm sure TDA and Burbank have been nervous about how Politically Incorrect that concept is in the 21st century.

This will be a nice way to remove them and not have to deal with some Indian tribe or lefty political movement protesting on Harbor Blvd. a year or two from now.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But you are worried about losing the "distance" of the Rivers of America sightlines. What distance? It's a series of right hand turns framed by lots of trees and overgrown shrubs. I've never experienced the feeling of "looking off into the distance" on the Mark Twain or from the shores of Tom Sawyer Island.

There's not much distance to be seen there, just trees semi-blocking the view of a big parking structure off Ball Road.

Again, it is not about any one fixed point. Experiential space is about movement and interaction, not standing still and looking.

 

[TP2000]

Again, it is not about any one fixed point. Experiential space is about movement and interaction, not standing still and looking.

Well, okay, I guess I just don't understand how you are seeing all these great distances and sweeping vistas when the trees are in a fixed point and don't move. The boats move through that wooded space, and they still will in 2019. The average vista for a Mark Twain passenger is about 40 yards ahead or 20 yards to the side, almost constantly framed by trees very close to the river track.

All I really want them to do is build a big show building north of the Hungry Bear so you can't see the twinkling lights of the Mickey & Friends Parking Structure from Café Orleans like you have been able to do for the last 15 years.

If Star Wars Land can do that and fix that vista, I'll be thrilled.

 

[Californian Elitist]

MiceChat insinuated that the Indians would be removed? I would not like that.

Neither would I.

Talking about these plans just makes me more upset.