Star Wars themed land announced for Disneyland

[dweezil78]

You jumped into a conversation I was having with someone else that was completely different from what you and I were discussing. What you replied to me was a little irrelevant. I was arguing in favor of keeping some classic attractions, even if they're not popular. You replied to me and said Disney does this, something to which I never argued and was therefore irrelevant.

Go ahead and keep your mouth shut then.

Unlike you, I'm keeping a level head and keeping emotion out of it. You're on a public message forum, if you want to keep your conversation private, go start a private conversation. The point I'm making, if you must know, is that you seem deeply hurt and wronged on a personal level by the company for pouring money into a massive expansion while taking for granted the smaller things they continue to keep in the park for diehard fans like all of us over the years when they could have just as easily removed them for things that would undoubtedly bring in bigger lines and profit.

Chill out.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Unlike you, I'm keeping a level head and keeping emotion out of it. You're on a public message forum, if you want to keep your conversation private, go start a private conversation. The point I'm making, if you must know, is that you seem deeply hurt and wronged on a personal level by the company for pouring money into a massive expansion while taking for granted the smaller things they continue to keep in the park for diehard fans like all of us over the years when they could have just as easily removed them for things that would undoubtedly bring in bigger lines and profit.

Chill out.

Who said anything about keeping my messages/posts private? I didn't berate you for jumping in.

Your assumptions are wrong. I've already stated the exact reason as to why I'm upset. It's not the fact that part of RoA is being taken away. It's the fact that it's BEING TAKEN BY A LAND THEMED TO STAR WARS. THAT'S my issue, not the piece of the river that's going away. Discovery Bay would have been a massive expansion and if that were going where Star Wars Land, I wouldn't be upset. I've also stated this, to you actually. It's not the massive expansion, it's the presence of Star Wars and a whole dedicated land to its franchise. Do you understand now?

I'm chill. I've never had a problem with you. You're not reading my posts clear enough, however, and it's causing confusion.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm saying Disneyland isn't a museum and those of us who aren't 60+ years old are pretty fortunate to have seen some things that probably shouldn't have stuck around past the first decade of the park.

Disneyland needs to be more like a museum. No good museum succeeds by not having a distinct voice or being stagnant. Disneyland has been creatively stagnant and voiceless for about two decades now.

 

[dweezil78]

Disneyland needs to be more like a museum. No good museum succeeds by not having a distinct voice or being stagnant. Disneyland has been creatively stagnant and voiceless for about two decades now.

Agreed! I think you and I are just using 'museum' in two totally different ways. I just mean the park shouldn't be a collection of historical artifacts. But yes, of course any good museum worth visiting is always introducing new exhibits and things to see if we want to get super literal with it.

 

[BrianLo]

Either you appreciate the ROA and think it should be fixed, or you view it as expendable and don't care. I understand why a lot of 2015 Disney fans would see it as expendable, but that doesn't make it actually so.

I'm a bit of both I think. I really appreciate the river and would never, ever want it completely removed. However, I more-so appreciate the guest facing vantage points from Frontierland around to Critter Country. From the sounds of things that really will go unchanged apart from a faster-than-previous reappearance of either boat. That does not particularly bother me. Of course there are fixes for that involving stopping around the North bend.

The model for this sounds very similar to Shanghai Disneyland. It too has a bit of a truncated river with lands around its entire outer perimeter. It'll be interesting to hear thoughts on that from people this Spring.

Except that there were plans that involved minimal sacrifice.

I don't think so? Either the Subs/Autotopia or Toontown were being sacrificed. Those were also to be sacrificed in their entirety. This plan eliminates *nearly* no guest accessible views, truncates a ride and eliminates an outdoor theatre. It's really a miracle that there somehow was 14 acres they could scrounge up without closing anything.

I realize the historical and emotional 'gestalt' that has been implicated/sacrificed depending on your affinity for preservation and a prolonged Mark Twain/Columbia experience.

There is a je ne c'est quois that may be sacrificed in the long run... but really when all is said and done I don't think the average non-AP holder would know anything even changed. Of course that same argument can was applied to Club 33 I suppose, but that assumes WDI actually does a 'bad job' like they did with Club 33. That remains to be seen.


@raven24 's point is certainly a valid one if you don't like Star Wars, but there is no real merit in people having a back and forth over quite legitimate and differing opinions from both sides. Everyone is entitled to what they feel Disneyland should or should not become, but you'll never change each others stance.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I don't dislike Star Wars.

 

[Curious Constance]

I've always loved Star Wars, but the last few years having a son that loves it too and giving me someone to geek out with has pushed me over the top. lol

 

[lazyboy97o]

I've always loved Star Wars, but the last few years having a son that loves it too and giving me someone to geek out with has pushed me over the top. lol

Vicarious enjoyment is the worst reason for something to be in Disneyland.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I really don't believe I should have to explain myself, but after going back and forth in this thread, I've come to realize people just don't look at Disneyland like I do, and therefore is fine with drastic changes like these.

I completely get it. What I don't get is your outrage. I don't always agree with everything Disney does, but I've never been so angry about something they've done that I wanted to flip a desk over.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I've been to Disneyland a total of 6 times in my life. (All since 2006). We went to see the Lincoln show once. My family of four and one other person (who was sleeping) were the only ones in the theater.I thought it was cool to see and enjoyed it, but there really isn't a need to go back again to see it. It's not very repeatable.

The venue is called The Main Street Opera House. That's one long running opera. When you think about it isn't it kind of ridiculous that different versions of the same show have been running in that space since the mid-1960s?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

WDI.....hire Tony back full time.......NOW!

The guy who destroyed what charm was left in Tomorrowland in '98 and then fought to resurrect the Subs with a hokey Nemo overlay? No thank you.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I don't think any land in DL should be given over to one IP. Even Toontown encompasses more than just Roger Rabbit.
I'd like to see Disney expand Frontierland and Fantasyland using that space for something incredible. Discovery Bay is brilliant but they would never allow Tony Baxter to have the satisfaction. Even a great version of Western River Expedition could come in and be very popular.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I completely get it. What I don't get is your outrage. I don't always agree with everything Disney does, but I've never been so angry about something they've done that I wanted to flip a desk over.

I was using hyperbole, or figurative speech, aka, exaggeration for an effect, something not to be taken seriously.

 

[NobodyElse]

(Something like Discovery Bay) Behind you 1000% .
This would have been wonderful to finally see happen.
So much potential....so unique...and totally IP free.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, (or let me know if you're referring to something else) but didn't the proposed Discovery Bay prominently feature attractions with themes from "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea" and "The Island at the Top of the World"?

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I despise the oft-regurgitated "Disneyland is not a museum" quote.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I despise the oft-regurgitated "Disneyland is not a museum" quote.

Ditto.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I was using hyperbole, or figurative speech, aka, exaggeration for an effect, something not to be taken seriously.

Ok, glad you clarified. Still, I don't get why you're as upset as you are. When the dust settles ROA will still be there with an updated Fantasmic show and there'll be the fabulous new Star Wars expansion. Seems like a win/win to me.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ok, glad you clarified. Still, I don't get why you're as upset as you are. When the dust settles ROA will still be there with an updated Fantasmic show and there'll be the fabulous new Star Wars expansion. Seems like a win/win to me.

I don't want an entire land dedicated to an IP at Disneyland. That's why I'm upset. You can go back and read my posts, I've explained how I feel.

As stated already, Disneyland has been sorely lacking in the creativity department. Something truly original and creative hasn't happened in decades. Star Wars Land won't change that.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I'm trying to find a way to thematically justify it in my brain, but I just can't. It's just a really weird choice for a gigantic land at Disneyland.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I don't want an entire land dedicated to an IP at Disneyland.

Nor do I, but I'm not mad about it. If an entire area is going to be dedicated to a single IP I'd rather it be Star Wars rather than The Apple Dumpling Gang, The Black Hole, or Pete's Dragon.

Look on the bright side; of all the available IP out there Disney couldn't possibly do any better than Star Wars. I see this massive expansion as a coup for Disneyland and Disneyland fans.