News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[smile]

Its clearly the same ship.

because it's the same make and model?

And Vader has a completely different fighting style and character in Episode 4

when fighting a jedi the likes of kenobi?
... and in what way did his character change?

 

[Professortango1]

And Superhero movies will never be totally dead so long as there are tight superhero costumes left in the world to outfit on attractive men.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Women objectify men just as much as the other way around. You didn't hear that from me.

They have their ups and downs. Batman and Robin killed off a bunch of proposed superhero flicks for awhile. We didn't really have revitalization until Batman Begins, which was a crime thriller with superhero elements. Then Iron Man was a smash hit, bringing in a new age of comic book flicks.

 

[dweezil78]

I have no problem with Star Wars not being Skywalker-centric. I have a problem with 1-2 Star Wars films per year scheduled before they even before they have story ideas.

You realize that they're each going to have their own unique creative teams and people running the show, right? Why would that be an issue? Again, if you get out of the mindset of a singular story/cast of characters, the idea of a consistent release schedule looks totally different. The films can be totally unrelated from one another, take place in completely different time periods, span different genres, etc. There can be movies focused on young audiences, mature audiences, etc.

Look at something like CSI which managed/manages to output like 5 different series and probably over 1,000 episodes of television to date. And yet you are concerned about something as rich as Star Wars releasing 2-4 hours of film a year and a TV show on the side?

 

[Professortango1]

because it's the same make and model?



when fighting a jedi the likes of kenobi?
... and in what way did his character change?

Because its the same ship. We see the man collect the disk, then run into the ship, disengage from the larger craft, fly outward, Vader watches it, we see the same ship with the larger vessel in the background and then we go inside the ship where the same man runs to Leia and shows the same disk letting her know they have the plans which were transmitted from the planet. I mean, there's no question about it being the same ship.

Vader isn't a feared killing machine with incredibly fast force powers in Episode 4, he's a henchman of the Emperor who is mocked for his old religion. We see him use the force, but in restrained and subtle ways, not big and splashy. They tried to make Vader fit in with the action styles of the more modern Star Wars films and it seems tone-deaf. Vader never behaved that way in 3 films, but suddenly he behaves that way minutes before we're introduced to him.

 

[Professortango1]

You realize that they're each going to have their own unique creative teams and people running the show, right? Why would that be an issue? Again, if you get out of the mindset of a singular story/cast of characters, the idea of a consistent release schedule looks totally different. The films can be totally unrelated from one another, take place in completely different time periods, span different genres, etc. There can be movies focused on young audiences, mature audiences, etc.

Look at something like CSI which managed/manages to output like 5 different series and probably over 1,000 episodes of television to date. And yet you are concerned about something as rich as Star Wars releasing 2-4 hours of film a year and a TV show on the side?

Movies usually or at least used to go:

1. Story Idea
2. Script
3. Hire a team
4. Refine script
5. Shoot film
6. Schedule release
7. Finalize Editing

Now....They schedule the release first thing and then hire a team and then figure out what they can throw together that appeases fans before deadlines are here. They aren't telling stories, they are creating products for mass consumption.

As for CSI...I wouldn't point to that as the gold standard. Those shows were horrible and formulaic.

 

[TROR]

The entire Vader scene is played for the audience to root for Vader because he's played to be this epic and awesome character larger than life cutting down those Rebel scum. Yeah, don't let them steal the plans, Vader! Kill them all!

That completely goes against the entire movie we just watched where the point was to get the Death Star plans. It's so stupid.

 

[smile]

Because its the same ship. We see the man collect the disk, then run into the ship, disengage from the larger craft, fly outward, Vader watches it, we see the same ship with the larger vessel in the background and then we go inside the ship where the same man runs to Leia and shows the same disk letting her know they have the plans which were transmitted from the planet. I mean, there's no question about it being the same ship.

yeah, the same guy also made sure to change clothes first before bringing them to leia

Vader isn't a feared killing machine with incredibly fast force powers in Episode 4, he's a henchman of the Emperor who is mocked for his old religion. We see him use the force, but in restrained and subtle ways, not big and splashy. They tried to make Vader fit in with the action styles of the more modern Star Wars films and it seems tone-deaf. Vader never behaved that way in 3 films, but suddenly he behaves that way minutes before we're introduced to him.

when exactly would he have demonstrated such? ... sorry he wasn't flinging fellow officers around on the death star
- that's the entire point... he was never put in such a position in the ot, but his power was consistently inferred

 

[Professortango1]

yeah, the same guy also made sure to change clothes first before bringing them to leia



when exactly would he have demonstrated such? ... sorry he wasn't flinging fellow officers around on the death star
- that's the entire point... he was never put in such a position in the ot, but his power was consistently inferred

Okay, it was a different guy. Still clearly the same ship. Establishing shot of ship with larger ship in background and then inside the ship.

And he could have shown some of the same behavior when....storming onto the Leia's ship a few moments later. Or when he's flinging things at Luke in Episode 5. Or when he faces off against Obi Wan. Or when he fights before the Emperor. There's plenty of opportunities yet he never showed these type of skills or speed. Wonder why. Its almost as if he wasn't written that way at all but Rogue One just wanted to have a scene to appeal to fans. Almost like that Rogue One scene was added after the fact as a request from studio heads wanting to reshoot much of the film. Hmmmm.... http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-darth-vader-ending-scene/

 

[mickEblu]

Would this be the right place to ask about that Dumbo hedge wall and if it’s coming back?

 

[smile]

Okay, it was a different guy. Still clearly the same ship. Establishing shot of ship with larger ship in background and the inside the ship.

continue to believe what you will, but that is not the same ship...
but even if you were right, what should she have said, "oh, alright, ya got me... here you go" ?

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And he could have shown some of the same behavior when....storming onto the Leia's ship a few moments later. Or when he's flinging things at Luke in Episode 5. Or when he faces off against Obi Wan. Or when he fights before the Emperor. There's plenty of opportunities yet he never showed these type of skills or speed. Wonder why. Its almost as if he wasn't written that way at all but Rogue One just wanted to have a scene to appeal to fans. Almost like that Rogue One scene was added after the fact as a request from studio heads wanting to reshoot much of the film. Hmmmm.... http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-darth-vader-ending-scene/

what skills did he show that weren't alluded to? deflecting blaster bolts? moving objects with the force? lightsaber swings? that's all he's doing.

and you keep saying he was fast, when he's not - he's moving with deliberately assured purpose and reacting quickly, but he's not fast - some of those swings are even somewhat lumbering... he's fighting 'force-less' children
- ok, maybe deflecting blaster bolts was fast, but he did that in esb... with his hands ... and he broke and threw parts of space station at his son shortly thereafter - far more difficult than throwing around poor rebels

 

[Professortango1]

continue to believe what you will, but that is not the same ship...
but even if you were right, what should she have said, "oh, alright, ya got me... here you go" ?



what skills did he show that weren't alluded to? deflecting blaster bolts? moving objects with the force? lightsaber swings? that's all he's doing.

and you keep saying he was fast, when he's not - he's moving with deliberately assured purpose and reacting quickly, but he's not fast - some of those swings are even somewhat lumbering... he's fighting 'force-less' children
- ok, maybe deflecting blaster bolts was fast, but he did that in esb... with his hands ... and he broke and threw parts of space station at his son shortly thereafter - far more difficult than throwing around poor rebels

How can you say its not the same ship?? You see it detach, fly away, and then we go inside that ship. The rules of editing tell us that it is the same exact ship. And what Leia said in Episode 4 worked well, when they were merely suspected. But this is known thing and she chooses the lamest lie ever???? Rogue One weakened her strong choice by changing the context.

And come on, we've never seen Vader like that before. Countless articles have been written on how Rogue One's Vader is different than the original trilogy's Vader. This is like trying to discuss physics with a Flat Earther. Keep mining for excuses, meanwhile the rest of us will see what's very clearly in front of our eyes. Rogue One's tacked on reshoot scene doesn't fit what came before or what came after.

 

[TROR]

Geez louise, why are you even arguing it's not the same ship? Just Google the Wookieepedia article.

 

[smile]

How can you say its not the same ship?? You see it detach, fly away, and then we go inside that ship. The rules of editing tell us that it is the same exact ship. And what Leia said in Episode 4 worked well, when they were merely suspected. But this is known thing and she chooses the lamest lie ever???? Rogue One weakened her strong choice by changing the context.

thank goodness for miraculously changing clothes man!

And come on, we've never seen Vader like that before. Countless articles have been written on how Rogue One's Vader is different than the original trilogy's Vader. This is like trying to discuss physics with a Flat Earther. Keep mining for excuses, meanwhile the rest of us will see what's very clearly in front of our eyes. Rogue One's tacked on reshoot scene doesn't fit what came before or what came after.

he was never put in a position to act in a way we always knew he could and i actually detailed what he did - you're throwing out countless articles, yet i'm the flat earther

whatever with you

 

[dweezil78]

Movies usually or at least used to go:

1. Story Idea
2. Script
3. Hire a team
4. Refine script
5. Shoot film
6. Schedule release
7. Finalize Editing

Now....They schedule the release first thing and then hire a team and then figure out what they can throw together that appeases fans before deadlines are here. They aren't telling stories, they are creating products for mass consumption.

As for CSI...I wouldn't point to that as the gold standard. Those shows were horrible and formulaic.

Of course they are creating products for mass consumption, Star Wars is a business like any other. When has Star Wars not been that? These are not pieces of fine art. These aren't Tarantino films. They are sci-fi popcorn flicks, cinematic thrill rides. You're fooling yourself if you think they are anything more than that.

 

[smile]

Geez louise, why are you even arguing it's not the same ship? Just Google the Wookieepedia article.

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it's right in front of your face... or did you not click CR90 corvette?

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Anyone remember that awesome opening scene from Episode III? They're on General Grievous' ship, which launches all the escape pods, breaks in two and our heroes proceed to ride it down, still flying half a ship. Now this looks familiar. Where have I seen this before? Let me think...

 

[mickEblu]

That awkward moment when you skim through the last few pages of this thread, have no idea what people are talking about and realize you don’t like Star Wars as much as you thought and you re only a casual fan at best.

 

[smile]

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ok, ok - clarification for us all...

the wookiepedia goes on to state that ship was leia's, the tantive IV - however, that was not the ship vader went ham in...
so, we're all wrong

that having been said, there's nothing to say vader knew that exact ship was leia's when he cornered it above tatooine, as there were many, and it would have been some time later -
and there was certainly no reason for leia to assume vader was specifically aware of her exact ship in order to make her lie pointless

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

This is all pointless squabbling. Disney Star Wars isn't canon as it strays from George Lucas' original vision.

 

[Disney Irish]

ok, ok - clarification for us all...

the wookiepedia goes on to state that ship was leia's, the tantive IV - however, that was not the ship vader went ham in...
so, we're all wrong

that having been said, there's nothing to say vader knew that exact ship was leia's when he cornered it above tatooine, as there were many, and it would have been some time later -
and there was certainly no reason for leia to assume vader was specifically aware of her exact ship in order to make her lie pointless

Just to add to that since this is the only point I will take issue with. Has no one seen a diplomatic spy movie in the last 60 years?

A diplomat that is a spy is NEVER going to admit they stole xyz. And will ALWAYS claim being on diplomatic business even when being caught red handed.