News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[TROR]

Neat stuff

 

[mickEblu]

Neat stuff

If @monsterdavid isnt narrating I’m not interested.

 

[BrianLo]

I look forward to the 80 pages of arguments over the above in the morning. Like I have always said, Disneyland's is bigger, WDW's could be bigger. Let the expletive measuring contest continue!

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Fantastic explanation! I had been wondering how the opposite placement of each land would change things; south facing at Disneyland and north facing at DHS. Plus how the difference in light/humidity at each location would amplify the look of opposite placements of each land; golden sunlight in dry Southern California and whiter sunlight in humid Central Florida.

And yes, it's quite obvious the land layout was designed to fit Disneyland first, and then trimmed around the edges and plopped into DHS.

The Rivers of America at WDW's Magic Kingdom is in such a sad and sorry state now, I wonder if WDI ever considered putting Star Wars into the northern tier of Magic Kingdom Park and redoing their Rivers of America like Disneyland got? I know why they chose DHS (a dying park in desperate need of expansion and investment), but I just wonder if they ever gave a passing thought to duplicating the Disneyland Star Wars placement at Magic Kingdom in WDW?

The Magic Kingdom is way too crowded already. Sticking SW:GE would be a nightmare. It will be interesting to see the new lands effect on the rest of DLR and guest satisfaction.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I look forward to the 80 pages of arguments over the above in the morning. Like I have always said, Disneyland's is bigger, WDW's could be bigger. Let the expletive measuring contest continue!

The question mark in picture 1 is the berm at DHS where supposedly Disney can expand the land which will be needed on day one.

 

[mickEblu]

The Magic Kingdom is way too crowded already. Sticking SW:GE would be a nightmare. It will be interesting to see the new lands effect on the rest of DLR and guest satisfaction.

DCA should be great! Space Mountain May see lower wait times too... after the initial craziness.

 

[Curious Constance]

I look forward to the 80 pages of arguments over the above in the morning. Like I have always said, Disneyland's is bigger, WDW's could be bigger. Let the expletive measuring contest continue!

You were already drawing on the picture, would it have killed you to draw a smiling tree or two?

 

[Mike S]

I look forward to the 80 pages of arguments over the above in the morning. Like I have always said, Disneyland's is bigger, WDW's could be bigger. Let the expletive measuring contest continue!

From eyeballing it and not really knowing the scale all that jumps out is the missing third entrance. What do the green lines represent? The purple ones are the same except that circle.

I still don’t see any huge difference in layout except for, again, the third entrance.

 

[BD-Anaheim]

I look forward to the 80 pages of arguments over the above in the morning. Like I have always said, Disneyland's is bigger, WDW's could be bigger. Let the expletive measuring contest continue!

I think your question mark in the DHS SW picture inadvertently contradicts your own argument that there is more space at DL SW.

 

[nevol]

I think your question mark in the DHS SW picture inadvertently contradicts your own argument that there is more space at DL SW.

That space is hardly usable. Its the size of a quick service restaurant. The lands have an e ticket expansion plot built into them, and that ain't it. It is to the right of millennium falcon.

Disneyland was 55 acres when it opened, and right now it is about 85. That includes show buildings and backstage, but a lot of disneyland's acreage is backstage islands and cast areas that aren't show buildings. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge is 14 new acres, bringing Disneyland to 100 acres, and with little to no cast-only areas. All of it is on stage or show buildings. So the acreage of the park gets a 17 percent bump and that new dedicated space is designed to handle crowds better than any other area of disneyland with a higher onstage to backstage ratio. This is only a simplification because I'm leaving out the ride capacity on battle escape and falcon, but then again, people will be crammed densely in their lines regardless. Disneyland's attendance would have to climb more than 17 percent when galaxy's edge opens for it to lift crowding noticeably over crowd levels now, given the 17 percent boost to capacity.

It'll draw more people to Disneyland as expected, as it is designed to, but capacity will max out before it gets any more "dangerous" than it already is. The park is artificially crowded. I don't know the numbers but if we guess that 40% of the visitors on any given day are annual passport holders, they can shed those people and replace them with guests paying 120$ a day. They can't go much higher than they already are with crowds, so as soon as the crowds come rolling in, they'll phase out passports through a variety of techniques or raise the prices of passports. When/as they phase out annual passports or raise their price, the park will be insanely more profitable as the per capita spending and average gate price will climb.

All this fear over how disneyland will handle the boost in attendance is misplaced. Disneyland can handle it. They have, what, 50 rides? They're used to being crushed with crowds, too. When 20,000 extra people show up at Disney Hollywood Studios, however, different story. They'll have nothing to do. 4 hour waits for midway mania and tower of terror. They'd all get wasted at that new bar on grand avenue as they await their fastpass return times, but that bar wont be enough. Just look at what dlr is doing with downtown disney! star wars VR, 3 new bars/restaurants, and an expanded naples. They anticipate an older audience coming to dlr for star wars and are getting ready for them.

 

[Little Green Men]

That space is hardly usable. Its the size of a quick service restaurant. The lands have an e ticket expansion plot built into them, and that ain't it. It is to the right of millennium falcon.

Disneyland was 55 acres when it opened, and right now it is about 85. That includes show buildings and backstage, but a lot of disneyland's acreage is backstage islands and cast areas that aren't show buildings. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge is 14 new acres, bringing Disneyland to 100 acres, and with little to no cast-only areas. All of it is on stage or show buildings. So the acreage of the park gets a 17 percent bump and that new dedicated space is designed to handle crowds better than any other area of disneyland with a higher onstage to backstage ratio. This is only a simplification because I'm leaving out the ride capacity on battle escape and falcon, but then again, people will be crammed densely in their lines regardless. Disneyland's attendance would have to climb more than 17 percent when galaxy's edge opens for it to lift crowding noticeably over crowd levels now, given the 17 percent boost to capacity.

It'll draw more people to Disneyland as expected, as it is designed to, but capacity will max out before it gets any more "dangerous" than it already is. The park is artificially crowded. I don't know the numbers but if we guess that 40% of the visitors on any given day are annual passport holders, they can shed those people and replace them with guests paying 120$ a day. They can't go much higher than they already are with crowds, so as soon as the crowds come rolling in, they'll phase out passports through a variety of techniques or raise the prices of passports. When/as they phase out annual passports or raise their price, the park will be insanely more profitable as the per capita spending and average gate price will climb.

All this fear over how disneyland will handle the boost in attendance is misplaced. Disneyland can handle it. They have, what, 50 rides? They're used to being crushed with crowds, too. When 20,000 extra people show up at Disney Hollywood Studios, however, different story. They'll have nothing to do. 4 hour waits for midway mania and tower of terror. They'd all get wasted at that new bar on grand avenue as they await their fastpass return times, but that bar wont be enough. Just look at what dlr is doing with downtown disney! star wars VR, 3 new bars/restaurants, and an expanded naples. They anticipate an older audience coming to dlr for star wars and are getting ready for them.

Martin has said numerous times the plot of land can fit a ride the size of Alcatraz

 

[britain]

Martin has said numerous times the plot of land can fit a ride the size of Alcatraz

I think @marni1971 was referring to the DHS space between SWGE and midway mania.

Edit: ah, I see that you’re aware of that already.

To be fair, I think it would essentially need to take up the entire berm from Grand Ave tunnel to TSL tunnel, and cut very close to GMR and TSMM in order to match Alcatraz in size.

 

[Phroobar]

What if the crowd levels here so overhyped that no one shows up for the opening? There was an element of that when DCA opened.

 

[MisterPenguin]

You can at least expect everyone who grabs a FP will be there. And since the rides will surely be at the same tier, the land will have all the FPs from both rides scheduled throughout the whole day.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Just getting caught up while I’m in Mexico.

AK is one of the greatest theme parks I have ever been to and is one of the most transportive and well themed environments outside Disney Sea. I am shocked people on here are saying otherwise.

It is great to see and experience a themed environment to less wealthy countries and areas but in a happier Disney friendly way. And the scale of KS? Amazing. Such an insane attraction.

The end. Back to my vacation.

 

[Professortango1]

I never saw the floats as floats. If they're old and recycled, then they hold up well over time and the animatronic (are they? or are they puppeted?) animals look good and have great expression, IMO.

You then have the live performance with live singing, dancing, and acrobatics. And the songs are great. And they use the songs of the movie without it being a book report. And it has humor. And audience participation.

Comparing it to full (or nearly full) length Broadway show spectacles is apples to oranges. FotLK has as much, if not better, setting than Broadway shows like Godspell. It's a more intimate and interactive show. Also, I've seen Patti Lupone in several Broadway shows and I caught her in Sweeney Todd where there were only five performers on stage and they were doing all the parts and all the instruments too. Super minimal, but fantastic. So, I don't see a boxy warehouse as being a limitation. I've seen top notch Broadway musicals in such a setting or on small, plain stages. Never thought of them as cheap.

Aladdin, Frozen, Spirit of Pocahontas are all theme park shows, not Broadway. I'm also amazed you didn't see the floats as floats. They come in like parade floats on the concrete floor with performers riding on them waving. Pumba even says "Look, I'm in a parade!" He later says "My little legs can't make it down off this float." The other performers walk along side the floats and clap, waving at kids. It seems like a parade stop rather than a show.

I love the choreography for "Hakuna Mattata." The acrobatic monkeys sit on the floor and do the hand jive. YAY. Sitting! I've never been so swept up in marvel. I also love the opening, where they play the song from the movie. Straight from the soundtrack. Nobody to sing the opening of Circle of Life live? Nope, we'll just listen to it then.

I'm also not sure what version of Godspell you've seen. The show is incredibly interactive and usually performed in a smaller more intimate venue. Minimalism isn't cheap, its just minimalism. Its artistic and nuanced. I wouldn't call a 6 foot Timon furry minimalistic. Nor 4 giant parade floats. These elements scream Legend of the Lion King at Magic Kingdom. And while furry fake lion puppets might fit Magic Kingdom and even Camp Minnie Mickey, in the uber realistic setting of Harambe, it seems really out of place. With the setting and the mature style of Animal Kingdom, I was hoping for something along the lines of The Lion King (Broadway) Light. Artistic representations of characters, use of tribal masks and puppetry. Instead, the show feels like it should tour to arenas for preschool kids. Nothing wrong with those Disney on Ice type of shows, but theme park shows are usually a step up from those.

 

[BD-Anaheim]

That space is hardly usable. Its the size of a quick service restaurant. The lands have an e ticket expansion plot built into them, and that ain't it. It is to the right of millennium falcon.

Disneyland was 55 acres when it opened, and right now it is about 85. That includes show buildings and backstage, but a lot of disneyland's acreage is backstage islands and cast areas that aren't show buildings. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge is 14 new acres, bringing Disneyland to 100 acres, and with little to no cast-only areas. All of it is on stage or show buildings. So the acreage of the park gets a 17 percent bump and that new dedicated space is designed to handle crowds better than any other area of disneyland with a higher onstage to backstage ratio. This is only a simplification because I'm leaving out the ride capacity on battle escape and falcon, but then again, people will be crammed densely in their lines regardless. Disneyland's attendance would have to climb more than 17 percent when galaxy's edge opens for it to lift crowding noticeably over crowd levels now, given the 17 percent boost to capacity.

It'll draw more people to Disneyland as expected, as it is designed to, but capacity will max out before it gets any more "dangerous" than it already is. The park is artificially crowded. I don't know the numbers but if we guess that 40% of the visitors on any given day are annual passport holders, they can shed those people and replace them with guests paying 120$ a day. They can't go much higher than they already are with crowds, so as soon as the crowds come rolling in, they'll phase out passports through a variety of techniques or raise the prices of passports. When/as they phase out annual passports or raise their price, the park will be insanely more profitable as the per capita spending and average gate price will climb.

All this fear over how disneyland will handle the boost in attendance is misplaced. Disneyland can handle it. They have, what, 50 rides? They're used to being crushed with crowds, too. When 20,000 extra people show up at Disney Hollywood Studios, however, different story. They'll have nothing to do. 4 hour waits for midway mania and tower of terror. They'd all get wasted at that new bar on grand avenue as they await their fastpass return times, but that bar wont be enough. Just look at what dlr is doing with downtown disney! star wars VR, 3 new bars/restaurants, and an expanded naples. They anticipate an older audience coming to dlr for star wars and are getting ready for them.

I'm not sure why you've quoted me in this response, but since you have, I'll respond.
Disneyland is not artificially crowded. There are times in Disneyland park that the bottlenecks are so severe (especially in NOS area) that people stand shoulder to shoulder.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I especially love the part @ 0:55. The guy totally farts!

 

[No Name]

I wouldn't expect any more blabbering if nobody will reply to my last post. I would hope they can admit they are wrong. Cheers!

 

[TROR]

I think it's weird Disney announced both lands to be 14 acres when it's clear the Disneyland version is over 200 acres. It's encompassing the entire park. Plus DCA. And the Downtown Disney District. It's gonna be really big.