Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

flynnibus

flynnibus

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teruterubouzu said:
They should have left that out and then it could have been ambiguous as to whether or not Palpatine was lying about her lineage. Having her be a "nobody" was much more satisfying.
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Not to me.. the palpatine story didn't grab me... but the TLJ 'you are nobody' was far more conflicting for me. The 'force is in everyone', 'everyone can be the hero' parable story from TLJ didn't do it for me. Yes, we know the force is not limited to linage, race, etc.. but the canon before this point all suggests there is significance to ancestry.. the significance of the prophecy, etc. To just dump on all that and be like "nah, just work hard and you can be anything you want!" preaching didn't work for me. It cheapens the significance of all the bloodline and characters of the Jedi and Sith we had before this.
 
Joesixtoe

Joesixtoe

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flynnibus said:
Not to me.. the palpatine story didn't grab me... but the TLJ 'you are nobody' was far more conflicting for me. The 'force is in everyone', 'everyone can be the hero' parable story from TLJ didn't do it for me. Yes, we know the force is not limited to linage, race, etc.. but the canon before this point all suggests there is significance to ancestry.. the significance of the prophecy, etc. To just dump on all that and be like "nah, just work hard and you can be anything you want!" preaching didn't work for me. It cheapens the significance of all the bloodline and characters of the Jedi and Sith we had before this.
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Very true and the whole dyad thing makes more sense because of it. The lineage of both Skywalker and Palpatine are strong in the force, so having these two come together as potential hubby and wife either reigning over the galaxy or protecting it makes sense...
 
Joesixtoe

Joesixtoe

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choco choco said:
Actually, there was a logical place for the sequel trilogy to go, what Lucas has said about his overall plan for that trilogy went there, and Rian Johnson's film was the only one to actually touch upon and deliver on that underlying idea in the sequel trilogy.

Probably because Johnson is a good screenwriter who thinks of his stories the way a storyteller is supposed to, and he understood the overall arc of what George put into the Episodes 1-6 (which is very clear to anyone who pays attention). There is a VERY clear through line to the six film, double trilogy.

I'm glad Rian was able to actualize the idea on film somewhat. Lord knows Goerge found the community didn't get the story and didn't understand what the animating idea for the whole saga was. So he gave up.
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Rian did get into the whys and hows of the force and I really liked what he was trying to do. There is a reason we all were really excited about TLJ. It was dark and was full of potential. Rian just tried to surprise us a bit to much man and the story came out bitter because of it.
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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flynnibus said:
Not to me.. the palpatine story didn't grab me... but the TLJ 'you are nobody' was far more conflicting for me. The 'force is in everyone', 'everyone can be the hero' parable story from TLJ didn't do it for me. Yes, we know the force is not limited to linage, race, etc.. but the canon before this point all suggests there is significance to ancestry.. the significance of the prophecy, etc. To just dump on all that and be like "nah, just work hard and you can be anything you want!" preaching didn't work for me. It cheapens the significance of all the bloodline and characters of the Jedi and Sith we had before this.
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I agree. Maybe if Rey wasn't set up to be all powerful, than the from nowhere angle would work. But this story was set up with her having this great power. And for me at least, her being a skywalker or palpatine made the most sense. Like you said, what came before would be somewhat lessened if just anyone had that power. And this is the final chapter in the Skywalker saga, and the skywalkers and Palpatines have been intertwined from the beginning. So it works for me at least.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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erasure fan1 said:
I agree. Maybe if Rey wasn't set up to be all powerful, than the from nowhere angle would work. But this story was set up with her having this great power. And for me at least, her being a skywalker or palpatine made the most sense. Like you said, what came before would be somewhat lessened if just anyone had that power. And this is the final chapter in the Skywalker saga, and the skywalkers and Palpatines have been intertwined from the beginning. So it works for me at least.
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Well what about Darth Vader? Weren't his parents just nobodies?
 
Cosmic Commando

Cosmic Commando

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I don’t really understand Luke and Leia knowing, but I did enjoy the Palpatine twist. If being “nobody” is starting with a clean slate, then being a Palpatine is a real “be careful what you wish for” twist for the character that so desperately wanted to know where she fit in the story. I think it lines up with TLJ pretty well. If I were doing the sequel trilogy special editions, though, I would move Broom Boy to the very end of TRoS.
 

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