SPOILERS: Black Panther - Wakanda Forever

[gerarar]

I'm willing to bet that in Ryan Coogler's original script for Black Panther 2, prior to Chadwick Boseman's death, that Riri wasn't in the movie at all and that it was SHURI who was the brilliant scientist who found a way to detect vibranium. I bet Namor, in the original script, wanted to abduct Shuri and that him going after T'challa's sister is was what instigated the Wakanda/Talochan war. It would have definitely made Namor's feud with T'challa and the Wakandans more personal since he was threatening their princess instead of some random American.

However, Once Boseman died and Shuri took T'challa's role in the original story, I believe they needed to have someone else take Shuri's original role in the story and decided to shoehorn in Riri Williams. I liked Dominique Thorne's performance, but feel the character was treated too much like a plot device instead of an actual character.

So do Shuri and the Wakandans have no existing-capability to detect Vibranium? My understanding was that they do, so when Shuri and Riri were discussing it when they first met in the college dorm about the frequency and whatnot, Shuri was amazed that Riri got it working in months time (for a simple school project).

Your theory would make for an interesting storyline, however. And yeah Riri definitely felt like a plot device, was looking for that word, so thanks haha

 

[_caleb]

I thought it was a good low-key introduction to Riri Williams for Ironheart. It seemed obvious to me that they were keeping her in the background in terms of character development, but I think including her was a good way to connect the story to the U.S./CIA.

I do wish her suit-building montage had been drawn out a bit more and more closely mirrored Tony Stark’s from Iron Man. They kept telling us how smart she is, but I’m not sure they showed us.

 

[_caleb]

Ummm... technically...

Ms. Marvel was tagged as a mutant in her series.

And Prof. X in Strange 3.

And She-Hulk had a Wolverine Easter Egg.

Good point! I completely forgot about Professor X!

I didn’t count Ms. Marvel because I think she’s an Inhuman, not a mutant (despite what Bruno tells her at the end).

 

[Jedijax719]

I'm willing to bet that in Ryan Coogler's original script for Black Panther 2, prior to Chadwick Boseman's death, that Riri wasn't in the movie at all and that it was SHURI who was the brilliant scientist who found a way to detect vibranium. I bet Namor, in the original script, wanted to abduct Shuri and that him going after T'challa's sister is was what instigated the Wakanda/Talochan war. It would have definitely made Namor's feud with T'challa and the Wakandans more personal since he was threatening their princess instead of some random American.

However, Once Boseman died and Shuri took T'challa's role in the original story, I believe they needed to have someone else take Shuri's original role in the story and decided to shoehorn in Riri Williams. I liked Dominique Thorne's performance, but feel the character was treated too much like a plot device instead of an actual character.

That makes a lot of sense. Total sense. Riri's plot purpose was forced, but I understand why they did it and it really doesn't ruin the movie. Anyone could have gotten a hold of Riri's plans so Namor was short sighted.

But I still like my idea of nefarious forces (Doom) taking T'Challa's son because he is somehow needed to activate the herb or vibranium in the past. Then he escapes and lives out his life separate from the current time line. Nakia and Shuri mourn that the boy has been taken from them. But he shows up at around 30 years old having met up with the current timeline. He brings with him a warning about Doom and how he's been behind setting up Wakanda and Talocan. Namor sort of buys this but is skeptical. Attuma and Namorita do not believe this and try to take the throne away from Namor.

Cast Michael Ward as T'Challa Jr.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I didn’t count Ms. Marvel because I think she’s an Inhuman, not a mutant (despite what Bruno tells her at the end).

They played the X-Men '97 theme when he mentioned that. So... it's safe to say she's a mutant in the MCU.

I would have thought that Inhumans were now a third rail after the disaster of the Inhumans TV series, but, there was Black Bolt in Madness.

Inhumans developed in the comics over fighting over the use of the X-Man. They're just mutants of a different origin. Perhaps in the MCU, they'll be mutants of a different universe. <shrug> After all, TV's SHIELD had Inhumans and it now seems SHIELD is a different universe from the MCU... for now.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Maybe a chunk of vibranium fell in Latveria...

 

[khlaylav]

I'm willing to bet, as others have said, that without the passing of Chadwick Boseman Shuri would've been the one to get attacked by Namor's forces because of vibranium.

Riri felt a lot like Spider-Man in Civil War to me, in that both could've been written out fairly easily. Spider-Man was effectively just another member of Team Iron Man in the grand scheme of things; Riri was subbed in as another genius to invent the vibranium detector and be a living plot device. I don't mind either character, that's just how i see it. And I do think she was effective as a "normal person" getting caught up in the push and pull of nations; the line about her just inventing it and not knowing it got utilized by the CIA struck me.

 

[_caleb]

I'm willing to bet, as others have said, that without the passing of Chadwick Boseman Shuri would've been the one to get attacked by Namor's forces because of vibranium.

Riri felt a lot like Spider-Man in Civil War to me, in that both could've been written out fairly easily. Spider-Man was effectively just another member of Team Iron Man in the grand scheme of things; Riri was subbed in as another genius to invent the vibranium detector and be a living plot device. I don't mind either character, that's just how i see it. And I do think she was effective as a "normal person" getting caught up in the push and pull of nations; the line about her just inventing it and not knowing it got utilized by the CIA struck me.

I see these sorts of “rolling starts” as a great way to introduce characters to the MCU. This keeps the new character from having to carry an entire standalone film while saving their origin story for when/if the character works and is well-received.

They sort of did this with Wanda, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Nick Fury, too, didn’t they?

 

[doctornick]

this was the first MCU I hadn’t seen in theaters (except Black Widow because I couldn’t) since First Avenger just because of how timing worked out. But now that it’s on D+, we just wanted and I thought it was great. I actually liked the sequel more than the original in terms of being a more entertaining movie though I feel the original was the better quality movie (I feel the same way about GOTG).

I enjoyed the way they introduced Namor and his people. I think his role was pretty spot on in terms of the nuances of the character despite the Mesoamerican origin. My big complaint about that is I wish it would have been somehow connected to them existing for thousands of years in some way and specifically to the myth of Atlantis. Did we even establish what we are calling them as a people? I’d guess they’ll probably end up being called Atlanteans anyway once they are revealed to the public just as an “easy” name. Really can’t wait to see Namor and company be a part of the larger MCU going forward.

I also wonder if the Lemurians exist or ever will come into play in the MCU.

The intro of Riri was well done classic MCU of providing us a taste of a new character to generate some exposure without having to do all the heavy backstory yet.

I’m curious as to how the conflict with the US will resolve since they still blame Wakanda for the attack on the boat and now they rescued an accused traitor in Ross. Guess that’s the plot for BP 3