General Grizz
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I think I'll have a heart attack if Mary Poppins 2 is ever announced.
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Soarin' to open with new preshow in May
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ISTCNavigator57 said:
That itself is not a very accurate way of assessing it either though. Disney determines wait times to be how long it takes you to get to the preshow, not to the ride. If you're waiting an hour to get on Soarin', then you're waiting an hour to get to Soarin's preshow, not to the ride. Does that make sense? What I'm saying is that a preshow is no longer used to pass the time - they're simply used as a tool to establish the story (which the DCA Soarin' preshow really does not do very well at all.) Definately not against preshows, I'm all for a solid, sensibly flowing story-line more than what the ride itself does, but preshows are absolutely the one thing guests complain about most. Unfortunately, most guests *do not* care about the story and only want to be on a ride. Sadly, this is human nature.
1disneydood
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askmike1 said:
Nooooo way! Mary Poppins was a Major Babe, they'd have to use someone more up to par.
I will give you most people don't care one way or another about preshows--thus most people talk during them. But, for those of us who care about theming, they help. For me, preshows add to the overall value of an attraction. Soarin' is a 4½ minute ride. If I spend an hour overall going from entrance to exit (including the queue and ride), the actual ride experience was 7.5% of my total time, with the other 92.5% of my time spent queueing. With a 4½ minute preshow, while I spend an extra 4½ minutes waiting, by my standards, the time spend doing something pertaining to the ride is now about 14% of the total time I waited. Preshows do not extend wait time assuming the queue length is greater than the time it takes to get through one ride cycle (i.e. any wait time that people care about). Your time watching the preshow just takes up time you would have spent in line, going through switchbacks. Take the Tower of Terror preshow--it does not lenthen your time in line at all--they are still filling the elevators as fast as the ride system allows, you just happen to have spent 3 minutes of your time in line watching the preshow. While most guests may not really care about preshows, it's certainly nothing to logically complain about unless you are in a series of 3 minute queues.Montu said:
General Grizz
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Do you know how much I would protest [against] that?!askmike1 said:
DisneyFan 2000
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General Grizz said:Do you know how much I would protest for that?!
Calm down Grizz. I don't see this happenning any time soon.
Pioneer Hall
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I like the sound of getting a preshow...they contribute so much to the experience. And like kyle said....they don't add any time to the queue, so why not have them anywhere that they belong.
Chape19714
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Preshows really add and make the story stronger. Personally, many of the preshows at WDW are nice and entertaining, plus they get you ready with what's to come, so you're not left guessing in the last part of the line, such as what the **** is this. So, Preshows are needed, and if you think about it, preshows are good for crowd control at the station, block out the load area from the general line (keeping the suspence), and when done right, are very enjoyable. In all truth, the foyer and stretching rooms at the Hanunted Mansion are glorified preshows. (yes I know the stretching rooms were elevators at DL, and put in WDW because of thier popularity, even though they did not need to move down, but still the foyer introduces you with the host, like a short preshow.) I am very excited to hear that some very good actors are doing preshows now. Recently, a few good names have done preshows, such as Gary Sinese (sp?) on Mission:Space, and now Patrick Warburton for Soarin', as well as well as the Grand council women for stitch (well, that's a strtch :lol. But anyhow, the point remains, PRESHOWS ARE GREAT, if there is something to watch or do, unlike the preshow in the living seas, which you watch a clock tick down. Anyhow, glad to hear some origional work being done for our version of soarin'. Hopefully, EE will have a good preshow as well. THANKS FOR THE UPDATE!
. But anyhow, the point remains, PRESHOWS ARE GREAT, if there is something to watch or do, unlike the preshow in the living seas, which you watch a clock tick down. Anyhow, glad to hear some origional work being done for our version of soarin'. Hopefully, EE will have a good preshow as well. THANKS FOR THE UPDATE!
Chape19714
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I see where you are coming from, But I consider a line something with narrow lanes seperated by railings, walls, ropes, or chains. If there is no order, then you are either in a preshow, or outside walking around. :lol: Interesting to hear your opinion on the matter.askmike1 said:
ISTCNavigator57 said:
But you're completely missing one thing: That's not how wait times are measured. Disney measures a wait time from the end of the line to the beginning of the preshow (for attractions that have one.) If you wait in line for an hour, it's still an hour. An hour wait does not become 55 minutes because the attraction has a five minute preshow. It becomes 60 minutes + 5 minutes for the preshow then on the the ride itself. While I wouldn't necessarily say it is extending your waiting time, it is definately never reducing it or even effecting it in any way.
Tower of Terror is one of those attractions that counts wait time up until the point of the preshows. If the attraction is posted at a 30 minute wait, that's 30 minutes to get into the lobby. At that point "the line ends," even if you have to wait 15 minutes in the boiler room because it is backed up. The attitude is that once the "experience begins" the line ends and the rest (ie boiler room) does not count as waiting in line..
Chape19714
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True, unless you skip the movie because you travel with ancious people, like me. Then it is just a preshow to the hydrolators.
TP2000
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The Patrick Warburton pre-show at DCA is very witty for what it is; a safety spiel.
I have a strong hunch they will be using Warburton in a reprise of his Airline Steward role to tape a new pre-show that will explain why exactly you are about to fly over the sights and vistas of the State of California. In DCA the fact that this will be a flight over California is already explained via the entire theme park, as well as the name on the building "Soarin' Over California".
But at Epcot they are going to have to come up with some explanation as to why you are about to fly over the Golden State.
It would be nice if they could somehow identify each locale you are flying over. I doubt the average WDW tourist from Ohio or New Hampshire or Scotland is going to instantly recognize the Anza-Borrego desert, Lake Tahoe or San Diego harbor like the West Coasters do here in SoCal.
I have a strong hunch they will be using Warburton in a reprise of his Airline Steward role to tape a new pre-show that will explain why exactly you are about to fly over the sights and vistas of the State of California. In DCA the fact that this will be a flight over California is already explained via the entire theme park, as well as the name on the building "Soarin' Over California".
But at Epcot they are going to have to come up with some explanation as to why you are about to fly over the Golden State.
It would be nice if they could somehow identify each locale you are flying over. I doubt the average WDW tourist from Ohio or New Hampshire or Scotland is going to instantly recognize the Anza-Borrego desert, Lake Tahoe or San Diego harbor like the West Coasters do here in SoCal.
Captain Hank
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The key word is "once the experience begins" If done correctly, the pre-show does set into motion the events of the attraction, and contributes positively to the attraction as a whole. The TV set in the TOT library re-enforces the creepy undertones experienced in the queue, and contributes to the psychological effect of the attraction. The Cranium Command pre-show explains the Cranium Commandos. And the Muppetvision pre-show sets the irreverant and humorous tone of the show itself (and is just as entertaining as the main show). Pre-shows do begin the experience, and could almost be considered part of the attraction itself, so this method of measuring wait times is valid.Montu said:
askmike1
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In Test Track, they gave me one of those rectangular things that they use to measure how long the line is. I could have sworn that I had to give it to the person all the way up by the cars. That would mean that unless they subtract the length of the preshow, they include that and the line after it as part of the line. Either way though, is it really that big of a deal?
-Michael
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askmike1 said:
Actually, although it is true that most attractions collect the wait time cards at the loading area, that is not how the waits are posted. For starters, those cards do not post the wait times. They simply verify whether or not what is posted is fairly accurate. However, for whatever strange reason what is posted reflects the waiting time up until the preshow begins and nothing after, so the cards themselves are slightly flawed in how they are used.
Montu, no. While Cast Members do scan your wait time card before the preshow, they have these things called computers on attractions that account for preshows, which is why the wait time posted is almost ALWAYS longer than the time you actually wait--they give the longest possible wait given usual slow-downs, including preshows and wheelchairs. They can collect those cards at the preshow because that is where the variable wait time ends. There is ALWAYS the same general time gap between entering a preshow and boarding a ride, because they no how long the preshows are! The time to board that varies is the time in the queue before the preshow, so that is all that must be measured. I was not discussing the wait time posted, anyway. If you had read my post, you would see that I was discussing total time spent at an attraction, which preshows do NOT increase. If there are 2000 people in line for an attraction that goes through 2000 people an hour, you will board one hour after you enter the line regardless of if there is no preshow or twelve preshows, and Disney will still post an 80 minute wait time to be safe. 15 years of going to Disney have shown me that you never wait as long as the posted wait time, and I'm not missing anything.
Indy95
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It makes perfect sense. Preshows, while not part of the ride, are part of the overall attraction. This is when the attraction starts, which is why they count the wait times up until then.Montu said:
For example, it wouldn't make sense for Poseidon at IOA to post the wait time up until the show, because guests must first go through three or four preshows, each one essential to understanding what will happen during the main show. Why would they count these preshows as "wait time?" Again, they are part of the attraction!
Preshows, to those attractions who have them, are essential. If preshows should be included as "wait time," then why are guests with Fastpasses allowed to bypass the line but NOT the preshow?! This is why Disney counts wait time as the wait you endure up UNTIL the preshow.