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Soarin' over Japan?
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It turns out it may have been more ramblings than actual plans, but this is being considered as a new attraction. I did find out that there is a Soarin' type attraction greenlighted for a Disney park, but of course, where and when was conviently left for me to speculate. 
WDWFREAK53
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Originally posted by pheneix
It turns out it may have been more ramblings than actual plans, but this is being considered as a new attraction. I did find out that there is a Soarin' type attraction greenlighted for a Disney park, but of course, where and when was conviently left for me to speculate.
I don't like to assume but if I had to...I'd assume it would be AK or Epcot.
Pioneer Hall
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This would be a good idea for World Showcase. They could definately use more attractions back there to disperse crowds, especially since Future World mostly closes at 7. I wouldn't mind it going in Japan since they don't have a country. I think that it might also work for the UK.
If this attraction doesn't go in to Epcot though I would expect to see it if Austrailia ever becomes a reality in Animal Kingdom.
If this attraction doesn't go in to Epcot though I would expect to see it if Austrailia ever becomes a reality in Animal Kingdom.
Terp02
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The rumors have been saying that the Soarin' ride is going to be either in Japan (Epcot) or Australia (AK). If it goes to Epcot, that's real good news for BK enthusiasts since that might be an indication that BK will be the next part of AK built. If it goes to Australia then Japan needs a new movie and BK will be pushed back again.
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Legacy
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Pheneix, Im curious to know why CA's failure is even going to affect the Beastly Kingdom rumor. The only rumor that worthless excuse for a park as killed was the Florida Adventure idea that was floating around for the fifth park. CA and BK really have nothing to do with each other in any way shape or form. CA is a park, BK was a land that was suppose to go into AK... what does CA have to do with that?
>>>Pheneix, Im curious to know why CA's failure is even going to affect the Beastly Kingdom rumor.<<<
When DCA first opened, they slashed DL's budgets to keep the park running. As attendance got worse, they poured money from who knows where else in changes in new additions. Well, with the exception of the two that sill haven't opened, all of that money spent has been wasted, the changes never worked. Now DCA's attendance is so horrible (around 12,000 people a day during the summer season, and anyone here who knows what the average attendance here in Florida is would know that the parks here would be a ghost town with those kinds of numbers!) that money from other divisions is being funneled into DCA to cover up for it's losses, WDW's budgets included.
They are all seperate projects, but the money all comes from the same place.
When DCA first opened, they slashed DL's budgets to keep the park running. As attendance got worse, they poured money from who knows where else in changes in new additions. Well, with the exception of the two that sill haven't opened, all of that money spent has been wasted, the changes never worked. Now DCA's attendance is so horrible (around 12,000 people a day during the summer season, and anyone here who knows what the average attendance here in Florida is would know that the parks here would be a ghost town with those kinds of numbers!) that money from other divisions is being funneled into DCA to cover up for it's losses, WDW's budgets included.
They are all seperate projects, but the money all comes from the same place.
bearboysnc
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mmmmmmmm, thats not entirely accurate. DCA is about the same size as Blizzard Beach, so... 12000 is pretty respectable for a park THAT size.
The first few months of operation, were rough, BUT THATS WHAT THEY PLANNED. They didn't expect to open in the middle of winter and have loads of crowds. They opened at that time... so they could better test & adjust traffic patterns etc.
Money wasn't was syphined(sp) away from projects. Due to 9/11 and the "recession" numbers were down at every single park. Wake-up, it was a rough year for everyone. ALL projects were scaled back, in EVERY division.
Disneyfanman
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Disney views it's parks devision as one big department. It allocates Capital and then decides who gets what. DCA was not to receive anything really new for its first five years because the company believed that it would be filled to capacity nearly every day.
DCA did the biggest "belly flop" of all time. Disney went into emergency fix mode, and moved funding that had been earmarked for other parks and projects to DCA for various projects like Blast, Disney's Electrical Parade, WWTBAM, Fliks Fair, the new Alladin show, summer concerts, and the Tower of Terror. They had to completely take over two very large restaurants after their sponsors pulled out unexpectedly. None of these things have corporate partners and the entire cost is being borne by Disney at this point. If you think about all of the money being spent on DCA, for a park that is going to attract 4 million discounted guests this year, it is staggering.
Which projects bit the dust? We all assume BK, and that's probably true. There are, I'm sure, many others that got set aside as well. I would guess any real improvements at DL in Tomorrowland like Buzz got shelved or delayed too.
Disney loses money right now in many departments. It HAS to protect the income earned by its Parks division to survive. So an incremental increase in Capital investment is unlikely. It's also unlikely that we will see any traditional E-ticket attractions in ANY parks in the near future unless a full corporate sponsor picks up the entire tab.
The truth is that only the accountants really know the real story. The rest of us can only speculate.
DCA did the biggest "belly flop" of all time. Disney went into emergency fix mode, and moved funding that had been earmarked for other parks and projects to DCA for various projects like Blast, Disney's Electrical Parade, WWTBAM, Fliks Fair, the new Alladin show, summer concerts, and the Tower of Terror. They had to completely take over two very large restaurants after their sponsors pulled out unexpectedly. None of these things have corporate partners and the entire cost is being borne by Disney at this point. If you think about all of the money being spent on DCA, for a park that is going to attract 4 million discounted guests this year, it is staggering.
Which projects bit the dust? We all assume BK, and that's probably true. There are, I'm sure, many others that got set aside as well. I would guess any real improvements at DL in Tomorrowland like Buzz got shelved or delayed too.
Disney loses money right now in many departments. It HAS to protect the income earned by its Parks division to survive. So an incremental increase in Capital investment is unlikely. It's also unlikely that we will see any traditional E-ticket attractions in ANY parks in the near future unless a full corporate sponsor picks up the entire tab.
The truth is that only the accountants really know the real story. The rest of us can only speculate.
Terp02
New Member
OK since we're already on the tangent, is CA that bad? I mean I have heard it sucks from a friend of mine that lives in Cali, but I'm just curious why it bit the dust. And if it bit the dust that hard why does Disney want to put up a 3rd park in the area?
Nothing seems to make sense with Disney these days. I think it might be time for Eisner to leave, because he seems to have the wrong people running his major divisions (ie Parks and Films). As a stockholder I've started to wonder why they would want to build so many more theme parks when their stock is so low. I also wonder why they are making horrible movies (with the exception of Lilo & Stitch). In my opinion, I think that they need to start scaling down their operations and start selling off certain things, and bring the focus back on to what they are known for: Animated films and Theme Parks.
Nothing seems to make sense with Disney these days. I think it might be time for Eisner to leave, because he seems to have the wrong people running his major divisions (ie Parks and Films). As a stockholder I've started to wonder why they would want to build so many more theme parks when their stock is so low. I also wonder why they are making horrible movies (with the exception of Lilo & Stitch). In my opinion, I think that they need to start scaling down their operations and start selling off certain things, and bring the focus back on to what they are known for: Animated films and Theme Parks.
>>>DCA is about the same size as Blizzard Beach, so... 12000 is pretty respectable for a park THAT size.<<<
But Blizzard Beach does not have any major attractions (that cost much more money to run than water slides), any major shows, and major venues to hold these shows, and a much lower overhead cost than DCA.
>>>Due to 9/11 and the "recession" numbers were down at every single park. Wake-up, it was a rough year for everyone.<<<
And what about this year? Well, it is still pretty rough for them, as while everyone else in the amusement park business are reporting higher year-to-date attendance than last year, Disney is still whining about being behind. Come on, do you really expect that if there was a "perfect world" scenerio running right now that DCA would be doing gangbusters?
>>>DCA did the biggest "belly flop" of all time.<<<
DLP was worse. And before anyone throws up the IOA shield in defense of DCA, I should note that DCA's daily attendance is worse than IOA's horrific first year, down by over 3,000 a day on average.
>>>for a park that is going to attract 4 million discounted guests this year, it is staggering.<<<
You think the park will get 4 million guests this year? I'm expecting around 3.8 million, and even less than that if attendance continues to slide at this pace.
>>>And if it bit the dust that hard why does Disney want to put up a 3rd park in the area?<<<
They don't. There will not be a third park in Anaheim (besides the water park which should appear in 2007) in this decade.
>>>bring the focus back on to what they are known for: Animated films and Theme Parks.<<<
Don't count that out.
But Blizzard Beach does not have any major attractions (that cost much more money to run than water slides), any major shows, and major venues to hold these shows, and a much lower overhead cost than DCA.
>>>Due to 9/11 and the "recession" numbers were down at every single park. Wake-up, it was a rough year for everyone.<<<
And what about this year? Well, it is still pretty rough for them, as while everyone else in the amusement park business are reporting higher year-to-date attendance than last year, Disney is still whining about being behind. Come on, do you really expect that if there was a "perfect world" scenerio running right now that DCA would be doing gangbusters?
>>>DCA did the biggest "belly flop" of all time.<<<
DLP was worse. And before anyone throws up the IOA shield in defense of DCA, I should note that DCA's daily attendance is worse than IOA's horrific first year, down by over 3,000 a day on average.
>>>for a park that is going to attract 4 million discounted guests this year, it is staggering.<<<
You think the park will get 4 million guests this year? I'm expecting around 3.8 million, and even less than that if attendance continues to slide at this pace.
>>>And if it bit the dust that hard why does Disney want to put up a 3rd park in the area?<<<
They don't. There will not be a third park in Anaheim (besides the water park which should appear in 2007) in this decade.
>>>bring the focus back on to what they are known for: Animated films and Theme Parks.<<<
Don't count that out.
Testtrack321
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Well, to get back on topic before we get the ax, the main reason why Japan is probably most likely to get a Sorain attraction is that they already have a show building for the Tokyo Disney attraction, Meet the World, a showcase of Japan like CoP. Reports say that very little changes would have to be made to the building to put in a Sorin attraction.
As for our new diversion, I'll put my bet on that BK is still alive (but in that in-a-coma-and-on-life-support type of way). AK has bad attendence and they need something.
As for our new diversion, I'll put my bet on that BK is still alive (but in that in-a-coma-and-on-life-support type of way). AK has bad attendence and they need something.
Disneynutcase
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First of all, as someone who lives in DCA country, understand just what kind of discount they are using to inspire people to come to this park. If you can show proof of residence from Central California to San Diego zip codes, Adult tix cost child price and kids get in free with every paid adult (so basically one adult and one kid can get in for something like $36). It's quite a deal, but it's still not getting THAT many people into DCA.
The park is a botch job--total arrogance on Disney Brass' part, thinking that they can put Disney on anything and get attention and customers. That's why ToT is now on fast track. They are also trying to solve a lack of dark ride situation by figuring out what to do with Superstar Limo. As it is, they are desperate to spike attendance and turn DCA around.
As far as next WDW attractions go, I'd put money on Soaring Over Japan if the rumor about an existing show building behind the Japan pavilion is true, particularly if it is indeed convertible to a Soaring attraction. Disney needs the cheapest and most intelligent "fixes" possible, and this one is probably it.
Face it, Epcot's attendance sucks as well--they haven't drawn a steady flow of guests in about two years. And with Mission:Space followed by Soaring
possibly opening back-to-back, that would at least solve Epcot's situation (in 2004 or 2005) at about the same time they open ToT at DCA. Because people would return to Epcot for these rides.
Out here, DL is supposed to be getting some kind of rennovation face-lift by 2005, although nothing has really been made official (other than the need to truly fix some ancient technology in PotC). It wouldn't surprise me if all we get are 50th anniversary shows and parades.
Which brings up the remaining parks. Yep, they need another "draw" at AK. I think the earlier rumors and semi-official statements about an E-ticket attraction added to AK are just that--one new high-tech or coaster ride, probably added to Asia or Africa.
BK is probably a "back-burner" situation unless Disney chooses to bite the bullet financially and go forward with it. This might not happen until all the other stuff at DCA and Epcot gets completed and/or if Disney purges a few of it's other loose ends. Out my way, there's been talk for quite a while that Disney desperately wants to sell the Anaheim Angels baseball team. Then again with the Angels finally having another great season, people are flooding to Edison Field for the games (averaged 30,000 fans for this last 6 game homestand), which makes money for Disney--the old Catch 22. So go figure.
The park is a botch job--total arrogance on Disney Brass' part, thinking that they can put Disney on anything and get attention and customers. That's why ToT is now on fast track. They are also trying to solve a lack of dark ride situation by figuring out what to do with Superstar Limo. As it is, they are desperate to spike attendance and turn DCA around.
As far as next WDW attractions go, I'd put money on Soaring Over Japan if the rumor about an existing show building behind the Japan pavilion is true, particularly if it is indeed convertible to a Soaring attraction. Disney needs the cheapest and most intelligent "fixes" possible, and this one is probably it.
Face it, Epcot's attendance sucks as well--they haven't drawn a steady flow of guests in about two years. And with Mission:Space followed by Soaring
possibly opening back-to-back, that would at least solve Epcot's situation (in 2004 or 2005) at about the same time they open ToT at DCA. Because people would return to Epcot for these rides.
Out here, DL is supposed to be getting some kind of rennovation face-lift by 2005, although nothing has really been made official (other than the need to truly fix some ancient technology in PotC). It wouldn't surprise me if all we get are 50th anniversary shows and parades.
Which brings up the remaining parks. Yep, they need another "draw" at AK. I think the earlier rumors and semi-official statements about an E-ticket attraction added to AK are just that--one new high-tech or coaster ride, probably added to Asia or Africa.
BK is probably a "back-burner" situation unless Disney chooses to bite the bullet financially and go forward with it. This might not happen until all the other stuff at DCA and Epcot gets completed and/or if Disney purges a few of it's other loose ends. Out my way, there's been talk for quite a while that Disney desperately wants to sell the Anaheim Angels baseball team. Then again with the Angels finally having another great season, people are flooding to Edison Field for the games (averaged 30,000 fans for this last 6 game homestand), which makes money for Disney--the old Catch 22. So go figure.
>>>It's quite a deal, but it's still not getting THAT many people into DCA.<<<
They've also just came out with the new one day park hopper. Basically, what you do is pay $60 and you get to hop from one park to the other all day long. Believe it or not, this is doing more harm than good, because now people will buy the ticket, check out Disneyland, then go to DCA for a an hour, hit the three attractions worth seeing, and then go back to Disneyland to spend money. They basically eat and buy stuff at DL, but they take the chance to go to DCA and see some attractions. Is that helping? Not really, because DCA is losing money on ever head that goes in and experiences it's attractions without spending any money.
>>>They are also trying to solve a lack of dark ride situation by figuring out what to do with Superstar Limo.<<<
They're going to reopen it from November thru New Years for the busy holiday season. All they have done is add some new safety features, nothing else has changed. It is expected that they will close the ride after New Years.
They've also just came out with the new one day park hopper. Basically, what you do is pay $60 and you get to hop from one park to the other all day long. Believe it or not, this is doing more harm than good, because now people will buy the ticket, check out Disneyland, then go to DCA for a an hour, hit the three attractions worth seeing, and then go back to Disneyland to spend money. They basically eat and buy stuff at DL, but they take the chance to go to DCA and see some attractions. Is that helping? Not really, because DCA is losing money on ever head that goes in and experiences it's attractions without spending any money.
>>>They are also trying to solve a lack of dark ride situation by figuring out what to do with Superstar Limo.<<<
They're going to reopen it from November thru New Years for the busy holiday season. All they have done is add some new safety features, nothing else has changed. It is expected that they will close the ride after New Years.
Testtrack321
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So in essence, don't expcet BK before 2010. If then......:lookaroun