Single Rider Experimentation at Toy Story Mania

[DonaldDoleWhip]

As a legitimate single rider, the worst line about these lines (for me) is when one person gets in line ahead of me, and then their entire party cuts in front of me to catch up with that person. When you enter the single rider line, you surrender your status as a united party, so I think that's really unfair.

And given TSM's huge family appeal compared to the more thrilling attractions with singles lines, I'm sure that'll still be an issue here.

 

[Tom]

People by themselves may not be that common, but the single rider line isn't restrictive to people who are in the parks alone. I've seen groups of 4 or 6 people get in them because they believe that they will have a shorter wait. It CAN be mostly true, but at a certain point it isn't. I've been in the single-rider line only to wait LONGER than the standby simply because too many of these large groups go in it. But I agree with your sentiment about a "doubles" line. It's completely unnecessary.

I remember a trip where we were in line for TT and, while we were in the standard queue, we noticed that the single-rider queue wasn't moving much at all...and was actually backed up into the pre-show room.

It was just coincidence that they had plenty of 6-party groups that took entire cars, or 2 and 4 party groups that were getting split up (after being asked).

 

[Tom]

As a legitimate single rider, the worst line about these lines (for me) is when one person gets in line ahead of me, and then their entire party cuts in front of me to catch up with that person. When you enter the single rider line, you surrender your status as a united party, so I think that's really unfair.

Continuing my Test Track examples, it amazes me when groups will get in the single rider line, and then yell at the CM when they get split up, insisting that they ride together. :brick:

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

Continuing my Test Track examples, it amazes me when groups will get in the single rider line, and then yell at the CM when they get split up, insisting that they ride together. :brick:

Well clearly, Disney should needs to insert more signage on these attractions, because the 3-5 signs per single rider line are never enough to prevent that from happening. Just like how Mission Space doesn't have enough signage warning people that the ride will be rough and certain people shouldn't ride. :brick:

Sometimes, I really can't believe the people at WDW.

 

[flynnibus]

People by themselves may not be that common, but the single rider line isn't restrictive to people who are in the parks alone. I've seen groups of 4 or 6 people get in them because they believe that they will have a shorter wait. It CAN be mostly true, but at a certain point it isn't. I've been in the single-rider line only to wait LONGER than the standby simply because too many of these large groups go in it. But I agree with your sentiment about a "doubles" line. It's completely unnecessary.

Yeah, but the fact it's a group vs someone traveling alone really doesn't matter to the purpose the line. The line isn't so single travelers don't have to wait.. it's so the grouper can easily access people willing to fill the gaps.

This CAN lead to shorter waits for people willing to sacrifice where they ride and with who..but it often can not. It doesn't make the line any less effective for it's purpose. Just diffuses some of the lure of the line for guests.

I don't think solo travelers have any grounds to complain about groups in the single rider line as long as the grouper treats them as single riders.

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

I don't think solo travelers have any grounds to complain about groups in the single rider line as long as the grouper treats them as single riders.

I'm annoyed when 1 person gets in the singles line in front of me, and then a few minutes later 5 more people cut in front of me to catch up with that person. It's annoying enough when that happens in the standby line. But in the single line, I see it that you've already given up your status as a united party, and thus it's unfair to the legitimate single riders when people cut the line to catch up with another single rider.

Other people get annoyed by late FP users because it negatively affects them. This negatively (and directly) affects me, so I do think I have the grounds to complain about this specific issue.

 

[flynnibus]

As a legitimate single rider, the worst line about these lines (for me) is when one person gets in line ahead of me, and then their entire party cuts in front of me to catch up with that person. When you enter the single rider line, you surrender your status as a united party, so I think that's really unfair.

And given TSM's huge family appeal compared to the more thrilling attractions with singles lines, I'm sure that'll still be an issue here.

Not even limited to single rider.. disney should do more to discourage such behavior in all lines. If you are ahead of your group.. and you're more then just a few minutes in the line... the person in front should wait for the group, not cut everyone else.

 

[flynnibus]

Other people get annoyed by late FP users because it negatively affects them. This negatively (and directly) affects me, so I do think I have the grounds to complain about this specific issue.

I'd say it's a separate issue all together and universal to all lines. Don't care if you are a 'party' or not... no holding spots just so you can send a scout ahead so everyone else doesn't have to wait. That's my position

and just because others drag themselves down, don't use it as an excuse to lower yourself

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

Not even limited to single rider.. disney should do more to discourage such behavior in all lines. If you are ahead of your group.. and you're more then just a few minutes in the line... the person in front should wait for the group, not cut everyone else.

I'd say it's a separate issue all together and universal to all lines.

and just because others drag themselves down, don't use it as an excuse to lower yourself

Ok, looks like I misunderstood your post (with regards to singles not having the right to complain about groups at all). Nevermind.

I'm not annoyed about groups using the singles line in general, but in the singles line (when you've given up your status as a party), I'm particularly annoyed by line-cutting. And I never actually say anything or get too worked up about it (since knowing the typical respect level of a WDW guest, I realize it's not even worth the effort).

 

[maxairmike]

I love a tagline from my former park(s); "Line jumping is NOT a sporting event." It was on signs and maps, and the policy was pretty clear. There are obvious scenarios where Disney would like to avoid the "unpleasant appearance" of similar hard-line policies (children with restroom emergencies, etc.), but with the increasing commonality of the issue just out of a lack of respect for other guests, I sometimes wish they would adopt it.

As for single riders on Toy Story, as someone who regularly visits solo and has ridden with odd numbered families it can be a little awkward, but mainly if the person from the other party is bothered by it. Mostly I've had good experiences (and conversations) with it. Plus, the other person tends to stay on their "half" of the screen, so you don't have someone purposely shooting "your" targets like someone you know probably would. :lol:

 

[flynnibus]

And I never actually say anything or get too worked up about it (since knowing the typical respect level of a WDW guest, I realize it's not even worth the effort).

Oh hell I do I don't remember ever doing it at Disney.. but I call people out all the time. Especially the ones who try to act like they are just gonna sneak in, etc. Stating "Hey buddy, the line starts back there -->" loud enough so everyone hears it usually works well enough to shame the person into conforming.

 

[Hercules11]

The question is weather a doubles line is useful or not - forget about intimacy for a minute.

If you have a party of 6... 4 go in one car.. 2 go in another. There is absolutely nothing limited about those last 2 seats. It doesn't need to be a party of 2 in those seats, it can be 2 of a party of 4, 6, 8, whatever. There is such little difference between one dispatch of vehicles and the next. Additionally, even if you don't want to have a group split over batches of vehicles, two people willing to go together is so common because of the nature of the ride and human dynamics of couples and people's desires to travel with a companion.

The reason for a 'single rider line' is because single riders are not all that common. Groups of 2 or groups willing to go as groups of 2 is common.

There is no point in having an extra line of a common divisible unit.

First, not everyone is as willing to split their parties as you seem to be. In my experience, most families would prefer to stay together.

Second, it is much better operationally that parties are not split so there is no reason for people to want to stand on the unload dock waiting for everyone else to return. The more people standing around on the dock the more difficult it is for the guests who are exiting and the greater the chance that guests are too close to the vehicles slowing down dispatch times.

 

[mimitchi33]

Single Riders Line at Toy Story

I agree that there should be a single riders line for Toy Story again. Who knows, it may cut the wait times in half!

 

[ToTBellHop]

I agree that there should be a single riders line for Toy Story again. Who knows, it may cut the wait times in half!

I know it certainly will not do that.

 

[Disney61]

It had a single rider line when it opened.

I knew I wasn't going crazy :hammer: I thought I remembered the single rider line.

 

[kittybubbles]

I think a single person line makes a lot more sense than a doubles line. I often see vehicles going out with an empty seat when I visit.

We are a family of three, often two of us are behind the other, so it's not like we ever see each other during the ride. There have been times when we have been grouped with another party of three or a single rider and it has never bothered me.

My memories of the single rider line at WDW was that you entered the same line as a FASTPASS person, when you got to the merge, FASTPASS was merged with the standby line on the left, the right stairs was the single rider line.

The problem was that folks would jump the rail from the single rider line over to the regular line on the left (so they basically by passed the stand by que w/o a fastpass), this seemed easy to do as there is typically a pause in the line on the stairs as the merge switches from standby to FASTPASS or back (while not letting the stairs get too full).

In my opinion, it would be ok to place a fence or something between the two ques and bring back a single rider line so that the ride could at least have a chance of running at 100% capacity.