Simulators, are they taking over?

graphite1326

graphite1326

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Lisa t said:
I hope Disney doesn't go that way. After our first day at Universal two years ago, I said to my husband do you feel like we've just been on the same ride but with different characters over and over and over again?
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I said the same thing on one of the post here. Man did the Universal people go after me.

We made the mistake of riding Spiderman and Transformers back to back. Same ride! Even the cars were the same.
 
Goofyernmost

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graphite1326 said:
I said the same thing on one of the post here. Man did the Universal people go after me.

We made the mistake of riding Spiderman and Transformers back to back. Same ride! Even the cars were the same.
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I didn't ride them back to back... one day apart to be exact and it was obvious that other then minor changes and character changes it was the same ride. They might have been a little more creative in this one.
 
Maeryk

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larryz said:
I would temper this with the notation that Disney has family thrill rides, while US/IOA's are full-scale thrill rides.
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Yup. Disney has, for whatever reason (probably proximity to Universal) gotten the "that's the park for kids" reputation, and they are fighting it. I've heard "We used to go to Disney, but the kids are older now, so we do Universal" a lot.. and the sentiment (from people who have never been) "Disney is for little kids". Heck, even a number of the "fans" who post about Disney insist every new ride be accessible for toddlers.

Disney has to fight that.. especially in MK, if they want the other parks to thrive. Epcot, DHS, and AK are great.. but MK is still the big draw, the thing that gets people there. If MK didn't exist, I doubt anyone would head to Orlando just to see DHS or Epcot.

But also, you have to remember this: While we now perceive Disney as "the tame park", when DL opened, most parks had maybe one PTC or similar wood roller coaster. That was it. The first steel roller coaster in the world was the Matterhorn.. Disney was ground breaking with it's (then) "thrill" rides. And I think they are looking back to that and realizing they have to stay competitive in that market. If you can put something in that will appeal to the jaded teenager, you will bring their entire family back to the park for a few days or a week. And that's their bread and butter.

So I expect to see some more avant garde stuff, aimed at that teen-25 year old market, dropped in. It's the market they need to appeal to currently. They have the other demographics sewn up.
 
wdwjmp239

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KBLovesDisney said:
Ok, I actually have an issue with simulators. Not that they aren't cool or anything, but I can't ride them. Not that I won't, I can't. I am very prone to motion sickness. Rollercoasters are fine because you are actually going somewhere, but when I see a screen moving like crazy and all my seat does is jerk here or there, vomit central. With the direction TDC is going with creating new rides that are more or less simulators, this scares me, even to the point where Disney trips might become less and less. Does anyone else see this as an issue with their future Disney trip planning and so on?.
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The last simulator I was on was Star Tours about 2 years ago. The ride was a little bit out of sync and I felt dizzy and queasy for a few hours after I got off. Will this stop me from doing simulator rides? Nah. If they're done right (which most of them at Disney are), they really give you a sense that you're actually moving which, for me, is a pretty cool feeling. In regards to roller coasters, like Space Mountain and Rock & Roller Coaster, for example, as long as the track is indoors and I don't see the track, I'm fine. So, with Tron coming to MK in 5 years (which is what I read somewhere), I might be OK with that since the majority of the track is inside, but based on some YouTube videos I've seen the track is lit so there might be a slight issue. We'll see when that time comes. The ride does look awesome and I always wanted to know what it would be like to ride a light cycle. :D
 
wdwjmp239

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Maeryk said:
...Disney has to fight that.. especially in MK, if they want the other parks to thrive. Epcot, DHS, and AK are great.. but MK is still the big draw, the thing that gets people there. If MK didn't exist, I doubt anyone would head to Orlando just to see DHS or Epcot.
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While I agree with you, it is sad to say that Disney will always have that stigma of being "the tame park" or the "park for kids." Disney sells their parks on the "magic" while Universal sells their park on the "thrill." Two different markets - families who want to see their kids mix and mingle with the characters vs. some adrenaline junkie who wants to ride a bunch of roller coasters without skipping a beat.
 
Sonconato

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KBLovesDisney said:
Ok, I actually have an issue with simulators. Not that they aren't cool or anything, but I can't ride them. Not that I won't, I can't. I am very prone to motion sickness. Rollercoasters are fine because you are actually going somewhere, but when I see a screen moving like crazy and all my seat does is jerk here or there, vomit central. With the direction TDC is going with creating new rides that are more or less simulators, this scares me, even to the point where Disney trips might become less and less. Does anyone else see this as an issue with their future Disney trip planning and so on?.
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Absolutely. I have the same problem and fear the exact same thing.
 
disneygeek90

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I went on Simpsons for the first time in years yesterday and it was worse than I remembered and very nauseating. There's a good way to do a simulator (FoP) and a wrong way (Simpsons).
 
KBLovedDisney

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disneygeek90 said:
I went on Simpsons for the first time in years yesterday and it was worse than I remembered and very nauseating. There's a good way to do a simulator (FoP) and a wrong way (Simpsons).
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Any other WDW comparisons, like say older Star Tours/Body Wars vs Soarin?
(I ask because I have never been on Simpsons or FoP. I have been on Back to the Future though.)
 
disneygeek90

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KBLovesDisney said:
Any other WDW comparisons, like say older Star Tours/Body Wars vs Soarin?
(I ask because I have never been on Simpsons or FoP. I have been on Back to the Future though.)
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It was... very very spin-y. Much more than Star Tours imo. There were a couple weird effects where you were going upside down that was a little much. I went on Back to the Future but honestly can't remember how that felt that long ago.
 
EOD K9

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Waaay back in 1997 , we did the BTTF ride at Uni. Man, that motion was way off. I did not feel good on that or Body Wars that same trip. Years later when I was on Spiderman, there was a scene which gave the appearance of falling from the sky. I can tell you, my stomach felt as if we were falling, similar to a coaster drop. Screens are not for everyone. I have an extremely small thread jack.....I love BTMRR and Space Mountain, any thoughts if the Tron Coaster will be fairly smooth? I only ask this here as we are discussing some thrill rides (coasters) and screens. Thanks in advance.
 
SourcererMark79

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EOD K9 said:
Waaay back in 1997 , we did the BTTF ride at Uni. Man, that motion was way off. I did not feel good on that or Body Wars that same trip. Years later when I was on Spiderman, there was a scene which gave the appearance of falling from the sky. I can tell you, my stomach felt as if we were falling, similar to a coaster drop. Screens are not for everyone. I have an extremely small thread jack.....I love BTMRR and Space Mountain, any thoughts if the Tron Coaster will be fairly smooth? I only ask this here as we are discussing some thrill rides (coasters) and screens. Thanks in advance.
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I think BTMRR is a bit rough, but it gives the ride character. 7DMT is nice, but I still like BTM better. Maybe I'm in the minority here.
 
Goofyernmost

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EOD K9 said:
Waaay back in 1997 , we did the BTTF ride at Uni. Man, that motion was way off. I did not feel good on that or Body Wars that same trip. Years later when I was on Spiderman, there was a scene which gave the appearance of falling from the sky. I can tell you, my stomach felt as if we were falling, similar to a coaster drop. Screens are not for everyone. I have an extremely small thread jack.....I love BTMRR and Space Mountain, any thoughts if the Tron Coaster will be fairly smooth? I only ask this here as we are discussing some thrill rides (coasters) and screens. Thanks in advance.
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Funny, I rode BTTF many, many times over the years and never thought it was out of sinc. Maybe I was lucky. Rough and rapid movement, yes, but it always seemed to be reacting in real time.
 
SourcererMark79

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Magicart87 said:
It's not a purist thing. It's a "Can it be done without screens?" thing. If something can be achieved without the use of screens; that should be the go to. Digital over practical effects aren't always better or cheaper.
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I was reading a discussion on a different forum about the closing of Dueling Dragons at Uni. Mixed feelings from folks, but overwhelming requests to not be another simulater screen attraction. At least Disney sees this and doesn't exclusively do these as all new attractions. I loved DD, sad to see it go.
 
disneygeek90

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SourcererMark79 said:
I was reading a discussion on a different forum about the closing of Dueling Dragons at Uni. Mixed feelings from folks, but overwhelming requests to not be another simulater screen attraction. At least Disney sees this and doesn't exclusively do these as all new attractions. I loved DD, sad to see it go.
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I did appreciate that they made it a point at D23 to explicitly say they Mickey ride will not need glasses.
 

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