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EPCOT Explorer
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Very interesting! Walt was cheapskate, so it seems.:lookaroun:lol::lol:
If you were drawing all of those cells by hand, you would find certain ways to be efficient too!!
EPCOT Explorer
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krankenstein
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I guess they say that if the formula worked before.... :shrug: :lol:
hpyhnt 1000
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Considering animation was hand drawn back then, not a complete shock to see this, but still interesting to place them side by side like that. Neat video. 
imagineer boy
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I always noticed this, even when I was little. Robin Hood has TONS of them, probably even more than shown in the video. Robin Hood probably has the cheapest looking animation of all Disney films.
Auroragirl
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Wow... interesting....
teebin
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I don't believe that this was reusing old cells or anything like that. Many scenes in Disney animated films were first shot using live actors on a sound stage. The animators would then draw the characters going frame by frame looking at the actual stance of the live actors. So, this was more a case pulling out the old live action footage as a guide once again. The actual hand drawn animation for each film was totally new stuff.
http://studioservices.go.com/disneystudios/history.html scroll down to the 5th picture of the live action sequence for lady and the tramp.
RE: Sleeping Beauty
Live-action reference footage
Before animation production began, every shot in the film was done in a live-action reference version, with live actors in costume serving as models for the animators. The role of Prince Phillip was modeled by Ed Kemmer, who had played Commander Buzz Corry on television's Space Patrol five years before Sleeping Beauty was released. For the final battle sequence, Kemmer was photographed on a wooden buck. Among the actresses who performed in reference footage for this film were Spring Byington, Frances Bavier, and Helene Stanley.
Helene Stanley was the live action reference for Princess Aurora. The only known surviving footage of Stanley as Aurora's live-action reference is a clip from the television program Disneyland, which consists of the artists sketching her dancing with the woodland animals. It was not the first or last time Stanley worked for Disney; she also provided live-action references for Cinderella and Anita from One Hundred and One Dalmatians, and she also portrayed Polly Crockett for the TV series Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier. An episode of The Mickey Mouse Club television series features Stanley re-enacting scenes from the Sleeping Beauty for the Mousketeers to watch (a clip from this episode is included as a special feature on the Cinderella Platinum Edition DVD).
All the live actors' performances were screened for the animators' reference as Walt Disney insisted that much of Sleeping Beauty's character animation be as close to live action as possible.
http://studioservices.go.com/disneystudios/history.html scroll down to the 5th picture of the live action sequence for lady and the tramp.
RE: Sleeping Beauty
Live-action reference footage
Before animation production began, every shot in the film was done in a live-action reference version, with live actors in costume serving as models for the animators. The role of Prince Phillip was modeled by Ed Kemmer, who had played Commander Buzz Corry on television's Space Patrol five years before Sleeping Beauty was released. For the final battle sequence, Kemmer was photographed on a wooden buck. Among the actresses who performed in reference footage for this film were Spring Byington, Frances Bavier, and Helene Stanley.
Helene Stanley was the live action reference for Princess Aurora. The only known surviving footage of Stanley as Aurora's live-action reference is a clip from the television program Disneyland, which consists of the artists sketching her dancing with the woodland animals. It was not the first or last time Stanley worked for Disney; she also provided live-action references for Cinderella and Anita from One Hundred and One Dalmatians, and she also portrayed Polly Crockett for the TV series Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier. An episode of The Mickey Mouse Club television series features Stanley re-enacting scenes from the Sleeping Beauty for the Mousketeers to watch (a clip from this episode is included as a special feature on the Cinderella Platinum Edition DVD).
All the live actors' performances were screened for the animators' reference as Walt Disney insisted that much of Sleeping Beauty's character animation be as close to live action as possible.
teebin
Member
Um, that is because the same exact camera shot of the live action footage. Every one of those sequences is exactly the same angle, footstep, expression, yada, just different characters, with the exception of a hand movement here or there. They redrew the characters based on each and every frame of the live action footage. They sometimes modified the angle (at great expense I assume) by hand if the story required ie: dancing in the clouds versus dancing at a great distance on the floor. Go watch the film again, same angle, same camera tracking etc.
Way ahead of its time... the precursor to motion capture used in todays highly computer generated feature films.
clarksfan95
Member
Even though Disney hung onto the live action footage. It is well known amongst the animation community that these scenes are identical. The animation was pulled and copied by the artists to keep the films cheap.
I used to have a audio interview with Milt Kahl where he discussed some of these scenes and said he really disliked the fact that they had done it, but that the company was fine with the animators pulling older scenes and reusing them.
This stuff has been around for years, I just find it odd that we have 3 threads about this same topic at the moment. I knew about this stuff in animation school 10 years ago.
I used to have a audio interview with Milt Kahl where he discussed some of these scenes and said he really disliked the fact that they had done it, but that the company was fine with the animators pulling older scenes and reusing them.
This stuff has been around for years, I just find it odd that we have 3 threads about this same topic at the moment. I knew about this stuff in animation school 10 years ago.