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News Security scanners begin operation today at Disney Springs

Mike730

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the clarification.

It is likely that there will also be scanners installed at the bus station entrance to DS as well?
I don't know but I would assume yes. The bus station shares a walkway into DS with the main Orange Garage stairs. Perhaps the security is on this walkway.
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
The walkway is open, but you must walk along the outside of DS to a temperature screening area at the Hotel Plaza Blvd entrance. There are temporary fences to block the entrances along the red path. I imagine this is about to become permanent. The Yellow approximates the temperature screening area. They probably have security here now too.View attachment 510747
Now *that's* what I call a 'cooling tent'!*



*The yellow line is on a water pad. ;)
 

PG 134

Active Member
If caught with a weapon at Springs, you will be contacted by Security and Orange County Sheriff's Office. OCSO will check for proper documents to carry be it concealed license or LEO. This is where people get arrested because of lacking documents. ONLY ON DUTY law enforcement are allowed to carry their weapon on them when on Disney properties per Disney Policy. If you do not wish to comply with Disney Policy, expect to be trespassed from all Disney Property.

You will be told to leave property with weapon and come back without it. If they know you are staying on property, Security will notify Security at the resort and expect you to arrive at the lobby to check-in your weapon or you will be evicted from your room. You will also be told you can check out early if you do not wish to check in your weapon.


TLDR: Check-in your weapon with Disney resort lobby or expect to be removed and legally banned from all property. Day Guests, do not bring your weapon.
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
If caught with a weapon at Springs, you will be contacted by Security and Orange County Sheriff's Office. OCSO will check for proper documents to carry be it concealed license or LEO. This is where people get arrested because of lacking documents. ONLY ON DUTY law enforcement are allowed to carry their weapon on them when on Disney properties per Disney Policy. If you do not wish to comply with Disney Policy, expect to be trespassed from all Disney Property.

You will be told to leave property with weapon and come back without it. If they know you are staying on property, Security will notify Security at the resort and expect you to arrive at the lobby to check-in your weapon or you will be evicted from your room. You will also be told you can check out early if you do not wish to check in your weapon.


TLDR: Check-in your weapon with Disney resort lobby or expect to be removed and legally banned from all property. Day Guests, do not bring your weapon.

Lol no thanks bro....gloveboxes. i never actually CCWed at the springs often usually took it off my hip for the glovebox because why not. I do bring it everywhere though but i just leave it in the car.
 

Magic Feather

Premium Member
An interesting note is that the currently temp/security perimeter puts the Marketplace dock outside of the secure zone.
Annoyingly, the “ideal” security setup (Maintains original number of entry/exit points) at Springs involves 11 checkpoints, but that’s a bit unreasonable. Even then, I’ve only been able to shave that number down by a few, and it makes the convenience factor drop a bit.
 

Magic Feather

Premium Member
An interesting note is that the currently temp/security perimeter puts the Marketplace dock outside of the secure zone.
Annoyingly, the “ideal” security setup (Maintains original number of entry/exit points) at Springs involves 11 checkpoints, but that’s a bit unreasonable. Even then, I’ve only been able to shave that number down by a few, and it makes the convenience factor drop a bit.
As an update on the thought experiment, I managed to get the number down to 10, with the ability to drop down one if Saratoga's walkway does not get it's own entry point, Orange Garage only uses one entry point, or Cirque is left out of the secure zone

It would put the West Side entrances being the two sides of Cirque, the Two Orange Garage Exits, and one by the Team Disney Bridge/West Side Valet.

Town Center would have one at Lime and one at the Bus Stop dropoff.

Then, the Marketplace would have one for Valet/Grapefruit, one for Saratoga/Guest Drop Off, and one for the Hotel Plaza Bridge. (The last two could be merged the same way that it is for temp checks, but that would really cramp the Marketplace more than it already has.

This would push the Marketplace and the West Side docks out of the security perimeter, moving the hotel boats that run to the Landing over to the West Side. Use of the Landing Dock would effectively have to be halted, as Saratoga+Old Key West run to West Side, POR runs to Marketplace, and the Disney Springs Boat runs between Marketplace and West Side.
 

Mousse'

Member
Sincere questions but nuanced so no hassle if no one knows for sure. Just curious, opinions would be appreciate, and just hypothetical as I don’t bring weapons to Disney - I think the airline, TSA, and Florida might object 😉

1.) Legally can they detain a person (security) while the cops are called? The person could just turn around and walk away. But, let’s assume the person is carrying illegally, walks in, gets scanned and security sees a hit, a cop is right there... does the scan give them immediate probable cause? (Assuming it isn’t visible or otherwise detectable?).

2.). I have no idea is this is universal (...slight pun intended... sorry) but I know in some states there is a concept of pseudo-public private property. This is like when you’re inside one of the old fashioned indoor malls, or a changing room, or fully wide-open forest that is unbounded and unposted, the owner can’t fully exert all their private property rights. So, while entering effectively such a space, can people be “scanned“ under those circumstances as they have a reasonable expectation of personal privacy and/or an objection to such technology? (think the Amish for example)

(... I don’t want to be randomly scanned 100% of the time when we walk around, as you know that where this will head... think about the innocent folks in London who can’t walk around without being 100% on camera. And yup, I realize and often endorse myself the “If you don’t like their policies you don’t have to got there” mantra, but what happens when it gets to they don’t announce its happening?)
 

techgeek

Well-Known Member
(... I don’t want to be randomly scanned 100% of the time when we walk around, as you know that where this will head... think about the innocent folks in London who can’t walk around without being 100% on camera. And yup, I realize and often endorse myself the “If you don’t like their policies you don’t have to got there” mantra, but what happens when it gets to they don’t announce its happening?)

Disney has never (with good reason) fully disclosed their security precautions for the parks or Springs, but even if you consider only the cameras that we can physically see it’s very apparent that 100% of guests accessing the Springs property are observed and screened in some way and have been for quite some time. I don’t know if it’s 100% of the time as it might be in London, but it would not surprise me in the least if Springs has near total camera coverage on the public spaces, with individual stores of course running their own loss prevention systems.

As has been mentioned, after the Pulse shooting it was disclosed that the shooter evaluated Springs earlier in the week. For Disney and other investigating agencies to be able to state that with certainty, it means there has to have already been a reasonably comprehensive surveillance system in place at that time. They could go back through recordings after the fact and find him specifically out of a crowd of literally tens of thousands, and verify his specific actions and intent across property. Their capabilities were already absolutely at and likely exceed what you describe as being concerned about.
 

Mousertainment

Well-Known Member
And Downtown Disney at DL is still hand searching bags and using the old school metal detectors. Argh.

Seriously? Touching bags so you're spreading germs in a pandemic?! #annoyed
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Sincere questions but nuanced so no hassle if no one knows for sure. Just curious, opinions would be appreciate, and just hypothetical as I don’t bring weapons to Disney - I think the airline, TSA, and Florida might object 😉

1.) Legally can they detain a person (security) while the cops are called? The person could just turn around and walk away. But, let’s assume the person is carrying illegally, walks in, gets scanned and security sees a hit, a cop is right there... does the scan give them immediate probable cause? (Assuming it isn’t visible or otherwise detectable?).

2.). I have no idea is this is universal (...slight pun intended... sorry) but I know in some states there is a concept of pseudo-public private property. This is like when you’re inside one of the old fashioned indoor malls, or a changing room, or fully wide-open forest that is unbounded and unposted, the owner can’t fully exert all their private property rights. So, while entering effectively such a space, can people be “scanned“ under those circumstances as they have a reasonable expectation of personal privacy and/or an objection to such technology? (think the Amish for example)

(... I don’t want to be randomly scanned 100% of the time when we walk around, as you know that where this will head... think about the innocent folks in London who can’t walk around without being 100% on camera. And yup, I realize and often endorse myself the “If you don’t like their policies you don’t have to got there” mantra, but what happens when it gets to they don’t announce its happening?)

First, neither the airline, TSA nor Florida would object. As long as you properly check a firearm (unloaded in a locked case with ammunition separate), you can take it on a domestic flight wherever you want. As long as you either have a concealed carry permit from a reciprocal state or follow the rules to have it with you in a non-concealed manner then Florida doesn't care.

1) Disney only has the legal authority to keep you from entering with a weapon. They can call the cops (who are nearby anyway) but all they will do is escort you back to your vehicle as long as you weren't concealing the weapon without a concealed carry permit. It isn't illegal to bring a legal weapon onto private property as long as it is carried legally, it is just against the policy of, in this case, Disney to do so.

2) While Disney can't put cameras in the bathrooms (or changing rooms in a clothing store (I've never noticed if these exist), I can't think of anywhere else on property where you would have an expectation of privacy. They have cameras all over the place as it is. Also, if they are scanning you at the entrance, why would they need to keep scanning as you walk around?

As far as announcements of what they are doing, I'm sure whatever they do that requires disclosure is in the terms and conditions fine print when you purchase a ticket or pass.
 

larryz

post hoc ergo propter hoc
Premium Member
They could go back through recordings after the fact and find him specifically out of a crowd of literally tens of thousands, and verify his specific actions and intent across property.
I suspect they used cell phone location data to tip them off after the fact.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
Sounds like the scanners are already paying off.

Was he also wearing a Mission Impossible-style realistic mask that made him look like an adult?
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