Security at the Park Entrance

[Ayla]

Don't travel outside of your own personal vehicle then. Also, don't go anywhere that requires a security checkpoint (sports venues, theme parks, concerts etc).

None of those have anything to do with the government.

 

[MisterPenguin]

What kind of liberty did you lose?

 

[iamgroot61]

so I realize that it’s a sensitive issue to criticize security but here I am!

The current system works fine at the resort
Monorail stations, Disney springs, and at the smaller entrances like the boat docks at MK.

Where the current system does not work as far as guest experience, in my opinion, is at the busy park entrances.

Having guests separate into different lines (strollers / wheelchairs) is a terrible policy that I’ve complained about before, at TTC several CM’s were barking orders rather than taking the time to explain the procedures to guests. To be fair, this was some of the CM’s, not all, and I’m guessing they are being pushed by supervisors to keep the guest count up and the lines moving.

Now they make guests park the stroller on a white line, the child must exit, go through the scanner and then get back into the stroller - but hurry up!

The security at park entrances causes unnecessary stress - it’s like the TSA and frankly, tsa usually is better in my experience.

I worked in Disney Security for several months. For the first few, I did guest screening, primarily at EPCOT, but also at MK and TTC. In my experience, while it's true that some security hosts are a bit more "magical" than others, everyone is doing their best to get guests into the parks as efficiently as possible while providing the necessary security that makes ALL guests safe. I disagree that separating 'guests on wheels' is a poor policy. They require a different process. The primary reason for having children get out of their strollers to walk through the scanners is to allow those strollers and other mobility vehicles to be searched thoroughly. If a child is unwilling to exit the stroller, there is a process for them. If a disabled/elderly person is unable to walk through the scanner under their own power, there is a process for them too. Frankly, I think Disney does a GREAT job of getting guests through the process as quickly and painlessly as possible. Are the scanners perfect, no. Are all Disney security staff "magical?" No. But most are and the tech works well. As a guest, I appreciate the efforts to keep everyone safe.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I disagree that separating 'guests on wheels' is a poor policy.

Then we definitely disagree, I think it’s a terrible policy.

The primary reason for having children get out of their strollers to walk through the scanners is to allow those strollers and other mobility vehicles to be searched thoroughly.

So this is a policy?

 

[Chef Mickey]

You're angry and wrong.

Having a whole debate over the supposed overreach of security measures in high traffic vulnerable places is kind of insane. These procedures are in place for a reason, and while some of them might be irritating, they serve a purpose in our society.

Perhaps you consider the safety offered by them to be "fake" and you have a right to that opinion, but the reality is these sorts of security procedures are indeed necessary and if they went away, it would make our world a much worse place. I'm afraid you're just going to have to get over it, pal. The good of the many far outweighs your personal grievances.

That's not to say Disney cannot do better. They can, and should. They should be far more strict than they are. They should be more like the TSA. Far more thorough and conscious of risk level. I know you want those liberties you speak of, but public safety is more important. That goes for Disney and the airport alike.

Cope. I'm not angry every day because liberty is taken away, but I notice it as an objective truth and vote accordingly. The fact you don't see it doesn't mean I'm wrong. I'm not alone in this.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Don't travel outside of your own personal vehicle then. Also, don't go anywhere that requires a security checkpoint (sports venues, theme parks, concerts etc).

You're not understanding. I am not OK with governments doing it. Private events can do whatever they want and should.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Your idea of TSA being nonsense is ridiculous. Safety supercedes one’s personal privacy etc to keep us flying safe.

You and I are not the same. There are countless reasons you are wrong. Government does not have the right to infringe on my rights and personal liberty in the same of safety. You are the reason this happens.

 

[Chef Mickey]

You're angry and wrong.

Having a whole debate over the supposed overreach of security measures in high traffic vulnerable places is kind of insane. These procedures are in place for a reason, and while some of them might be irritating, they serve a purpose in our society.

Perhaps you consider the safety offered by them to be "fake" and you have a right to that opinion, but the reality is these sorts of security procedures are indeed necessary and if they went away, it would make our world a much worse place. I'm afraid you're just going to have to get over it, pal. The good of the many far outweighs your personal grievances.

That's not to say Disney cannot do better. They can, and should. They should be far more strict than they are. They should be more like the TSA. Far more thorough and conscious of risk level. I know you want those liberties you speak of, but public safety is more important. That goes for Disney and the airport alike.

Again, I'm talking about governments and the TSA. I compared Disney's implementation of safety to the TSA because it's an equal joke. Disney should do a better job than they do today and are well within their rights to do so. Government isn't within their rights to restrict my ability to travel freely via air and should have never had this ability. They only get in times of crisis, when Americans allow government to take away liberty. See Covid.

Read the constitution, pal. It's been desecrated. Your ridiculous point of "the good of many" is anti personal freedom and is how dictatorships are formed. The Founders knew this and you simply don't understand it. You're also not alone, which is why we are in the position we're in with liberty yielding, as predicted.

 

[Lilofan]

You and I are not the same. There are countless reasons you are wrong. Government does not have the right to infringe on my rights and personal liberty in the same of safety. You are the reason this happens.

Then if you feel that way don’t fly , enter a courthouse , agree to searched at countless places in America, etc . Refuse to be searched by police for their safety is asking for trouble.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Then if you feel that way don’t fly , enter a courthouse , agree to searched at countless places in America, etc . Refuse to be searched by police for their safety is asking for trouble.

Police and TSA agents are different. I respect the police and never have problems with police. Police and rules are a legitimate part of government. Protecting citizens for coercion, courts, national defense, and protecting property rights are all legitimate roles of government. The TSA is not.

Courthouses are public buildings. Again, you don't know what you're talking about and I actually do. You may disagree, but I'm not "wrong" because I believe in personal liberty.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Then if you feel that way don’t fly

If I disagree with the TSA procedures I shouldn’t fly?

I disagree with WDW security process and I’m not gonna stop going to Disney.

 

[Chi84]

Again, I'm talking about governments and the TSA. I compared Disney's implementation of safety to the TSA because it's an equal joke. Disney should do a better job than they do today and are well within their rights to do so. Government isn't within their rights to restrict my ability to travel freely via air and should have never had this ability. They only get in times of crisis, when Americans allow government to take away liberty. See Covid.

Read the constitution, pal. It's been desecrated. Your ridiculous point of "the good of many" is anti personal freedom and is how dictatorships are formed. The Founders knew this and you simply don't understand it. You're also not alone, which is why we are in the position we're in with liberty yielding, as predicted.

The government isn’t restricting your ability to fly (via air, no less).

The Constitution delegates certain powers to the federal government. Article 1, section 8, clause 3. This has all been tested and held constitutional - your personal beliefs as to what should be don’t matter except to you.

 

[Chef Mickey]

The government isn’t restricting your ability to fly (via air, no less).

The Constitution delegates certain powers to the federal government. Article 1, section 8, clause 3. This has all been tested and held constitutional - your personal beliefs as to what should be don’t matter except to you.

Laughable you point to the joke of a court system to make interstate commerce hold water. Courts misinterpret the constitution all the time and are as partisan as they are anything. 3 of the 9 SC justices said employers had the right to force you to get an experimental and ineffective vaccine for a respiratory virus as a condition of employment, even for jobs that were entirely remote. The fact governments can regulate interstate commerce doesn't mean they can do it by any means they choose.

The current government operates with blind disregard to most of the constitution, namely the welfare state that robs from one American to give to another. "But courts." The TSA falls into this category of misinterpretation and violation of elements of the Fourth Amendment and basic privacy. They are also performing the function that smells of bored fascism.

I'm not the first person that thinks this way. Again, you're just more willing to give up your rights, which makes you average/normal. That's why it's like this. Many/most people are ready to give up their first amendment when they hear something they don't like and it's inconvenient to their politics, their second amendment during shootings, their bodies during a pandemic, and their right to privacy whenever there is crisis.

 

[Chi84]

Laughable you point to the joke of a court system to make interstate commerce hold water. Courts misinterpret the constitution all the time and are as partisan as they are anything. 3 of the 9 SC justices said employers had the right to force you to get an experimental and ineffective vaccine for a respiratory virus as a condition of employment, even for jobs that were entirely remote. The fact governments can regulate interstate commerce doesn't mean they can do it by any means they choose.

The current government operates with blind disregard to most of the constitution, namely the welfare state that robs from one American to give to another. "But courts." The TSA falls into this category of misinterpretation and violation of elements of the Fourth Amendment and basic privacy. They are also performing the function that smells of bored fascism.

I'm not the first person that thinks this way. Again, you're just more willing to give up your rights, which makes you average/normal. That's why it's like this. Many/most people are ready to give up their first amendment when they hear something they don't like and it's inconvenient to their politics, their second amendment during shootings, their bodies during a pandemic, and their right to privacy whenever there is crisis.

It’s not about giving up; it’s about balancing freedoms with responsibility toward the rest of society.

Your ideology is impractical. That’s why it’s rejected by most people who would rather have a little peace of mind in their daily lives.

There are far too many loose cannons and misfits out there (not to mention some truly evil people) to allow them unlimited freedom.

 

[Lilofan]

Laughable you point to the joke of a court system to make interstate commerce hold water. Courts misinterpret the constitution all the time and are as partisan as they are anything. 3 of the 9 SC justices said employers had the right to force you to get an experimental and ineffective vaccine for a respiratory virus as a condition of employment, even for jobs that were entirely remote. The fact governments can regulate interstate commerce doesn't mean they can do it by any means they choose.

The current government operates with blind disregard to most of the constitution, namely the welfare state that robs from one American to give to another. "But courts." The TSA falls into this category of misinterpretation and violation of elements of the Fourth Amendment and basic privacy. They are also performing the function that smells of bored fascism.

I'm not the first person that thinks this way. Again, you're just more willing to give up your rights, which makes you average/normal. That's why it's like this. Many/most people are ready to give up their first amendment when they hear something they don't like and it's inconvenient to their politics, their second amendment during shootings, their bodies during a pandemic, and their right to privacy whenever there is crisis.

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