Sebastian’s food limits

lazyboy97o

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IF the bread is being made specifically for that restaurant then it’s being made in specific amounts for their dinner service. It isn’t being mass produced by a commercial bakery that’s churning out a gross amount of bread for all the Disney dining restaurants.
I don’t know if that’s the case . I’m going by the message posted above that informed us that it’s being made solely for Sebastian’s. IF that’s the case then there’s only so much bread brought in daily.
The message you are referring to specifically says it’s baked at the “WDW bakery” which is a giant commercial facility that produces baked goods for all of Walt Disney World. Disney chooses how much to make and could chose to make more.
 

Tony the Tigger

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Why would you pay for an all you can eat meal if it doesn't apply to what you want? There's nothing wrong with someone preferring bread; it's no different than if they didn't allow seconds of the chicken, fish, beef, etc. -- it doesn't make sense to pay the all inclusive price in that scenario. There are too many other options.
It’s not an all you can eat meal. It’s a family style meal, and there are certain things you can ask for seconds. That’s an unadvertised nice bonus, not something to be demanded or taken advantage of.

The idea of making an issue over bread is hysterical. Go to dollar tree and get a bag of rolls if it’s so important. Most people would prefer to get their money’s worth out of the meal rather than worry about bread.

There’s plenty of bread served for the table. No need to be gluttonous about it, kids or not. If it’s so crucial, let the kids eat your bread.

OP is right about one thing, it’s not that great a meal to worry about.

Something about the demanding of bread for children as if they’re being deprived and can’t handle eating “only” several rolls just grosses me out, sorry.

Unfollowing this thread.
 

Lilofan

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What a stingy, ridiculous policy. I'd skip it if I were the OP, too!
I feel that bread and butter continue to be served complimentary at meals the guests will enjoy their meal at a more longer slower pace. If the dining room wants to turn the tables over quicker for the incoming waiting guests with reservations and or without it generates more sales for the restaurant. Guests in WDW like ourselves have tight schedules and time is of the essence.
 

Weather_Lady

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I feel that bread and butter continue to be served complimentary at meals the guests will enjoy their meal at a more longer slower pace. If the dining room wants to turn the tables over quicker for the incoming waiting guests with reservations and or without it generates more sales for the restaurant. Guests in WDW like ourselves have tight schedules and time is of the essence.
As a guest, I tend to view "getting rushed through an expensive meal" as a negative.
 

Lilofan

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As a guest, I tend to view "getting rushed through an expensive meal" as a negative.
I have no issue with that as long as I don’t have scheduled places to be after the non rushed meal. Who knows if ex CFO Christine words were heeded - to cut portion sizes and guests overweight public comment.
 

Weather_Lady

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I have no issue with that as long as I don’t have scheduled places to be after the non rushed meal. Who knows if ex CFO Christine words were heeded - to cut portion sizes and guests overweight public comment.
If we are in a hurry and have somewhere to be, we just let the server know (and ask for the check the second our entrees hit the table). It seems to be far easier to get a server to go a little faster, than it is to have them slow down, but maybe that's just us.

I'm not sure what you meant by your last sentence -- I think autocomplete might have altered something from what you intended -- but cutting portion sizes would be an appropriate and laudable goal, so long as Disney was willing to adjust prices (and/or raise the quality and healthfulness of the ingredients served) at the same time. Otherwise, it only serves to do the thing I think we all know Disney was really getting at: continually nibble away at the guest experience like a mischief of rats until only the bare bones are left, while charging guests more, and to add insult to injury, gaslighting them by telling them it's for their own good, and only happening because they (the guests) actually wanted it.
 
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happymom25

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Original Poster
It’s not an all you can eat meal. It’s a family style meal, and there are certain things you can ask for seconds. That’s an unadvertised nice bonus, not something to be demanded or taken advantage of.

The idea of making an issue over bread is hysterical. Go to dollar tree and get a bag of rolls if it’s so important. Most people would prefer to get their money’s worth out of the meal rather than worry about bread.

There’s plenty of bread served for the table. No need to be gluttonous about it, kids or not. If it’s so crucial, let the kids eat your bread.

OP is right about one thing, it’s not that great a meal to worry about.

Something about the demanding of bread for children as if they’re being deprived and can’t handle eating “only” several rolls just grosses me out, sorry.

Unfollowing this thread.
I’m sorry my question and decision to skip the meal have made you so upset. ❤️ I haven’t demanded anything. I simply asked if they were limiting bread and decided we don’t want to dine there since they do limit and my kids’ favorite part of the meal was the salad and bread. I do think it’s silly for Disney to limit bread during a family style dinner.
 

UNCgolf

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It’s not an all you can eat meal. It’s a family style meal, and there are certain things you can ask for seconds. That’s an unadvertised nice bonus, not something to be demanded or taken advantage of.

The idea of making an issue over bread is hysterical. Go to dollar tree and get a bag of rolls if it’s so important. Most people would prefer to get their money’s worth out of the meal rather than worry about bread.

There’s plenty of bread served for the table. No need to be gluttonous about it, kids or not. If it’s so crucial, let the kids eat your bread.

OP is right about one thing, it’s not that great a meal to worry about.

Something about the demanding of bread for children as if they’re being deprived and can’t handle eating “only” several rolls just grosses me out, sorry.

Unfollowing this thread.

I think you wildly overreacted to the original comment. It's not as if they said the restaurant was terrible and no one should eat there -- they simply asked a question and then said it wasn't worth eating there for them personally once it was answered.

You're essentially attacking them for it. It's not a personal insult that they don't think it's worth eating there due to the bread.

Also, family style generally is considered an all you can eat meal.
 

Markc2

Member
It’s not an all you can eat meal. It’s a family style meal, and there are certain things you can ask for seconds. That’s an unadvertised nice bonus, not something to be demanded or taken advantage of.

You couldn't be more blatantly wrong and apparently do not understand the restaurants business model. Sebastians is an ALL YOU CAN EAT dining experience that is served family style. Buca di Bepo, on the other hand, is not an all you can restaurant, but serves their meals in a family style setting.

There are no "unadvertised nice bonuses". You are LITERALLY paying for an all you can eat meal there. They have priced it as such, and within reason, you can and should be able to get as much as you are capable of eating (again - within reason).
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
As a guest, I tend to view "getting rushed through an expensive meal" as a negative.
For every guest who doesn’t want to feel ‘rushed’ and takes their time, there is a guest who is waiting longer to get seated for their ADR. The financial model of every restaurant, no matter where it is assumes an average time to ‘turn the table’, and if they take reservations the number of reservations they take is based on that capacity model. If everyone wants to spend longer at their table, fewer people get to dine per hour, fewer reservations are available and the restaurants revenue is reduced.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
You couldn't be more blatantly wrong and apparently do not understand the restaurants business model. Sebastians is an ALL YOU CAN EAT dining experience that is served family style. Buca di Bepo, on the other hand, is not an all you can restaurant, but serves their meals in a family style setting.

There are no "unadvertised nice bonuses". You are LITERALLY paying for an all you can eat meal there. They have priced it as such, and within reason, you can and should be able to get as much as you are capable of eating (again - within reason).
Please show me where this says ‘all you can eat’.


Whispering Canyon has an all you can eat option and the website specifically says it.


Family style presentation is not automatically all you can eat, unless it explicitly says it. The distinction is pretty clearly stated.
 
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Weather_Lady

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For every guest who doesn’t want to feel ‘rushed’ and takes their time, there is a guest who is waiting longer to get seated for their ADR. The financial model of every restaurant, no matter where it is assumes an average time to ‘turn the table’, and if they take reservations the number of reservations they take is based on that capacity model. If everyone wants to spend longer at their table, fewer people get to dine per hour, fewer reservations are available and the restaurants revenue is reduced.
Yes. That's how it works. But are we really arguing that giving a couple extra rolls to the OP's family -- or anyone's -- is going to cause a domino effect that leads to appreciable losses for the restaurant? Of course the restaurant is not under any obligation to give more 12-cent rolls than the menu strictly promises just because someone's child only wants to eat bread instead of more expensive meal components, but I stand by my opinion that refusing is an unbecomingly stingy thing to do, especially for an eatery where the price-per-adult was raised by about a third ($29 to $38) last year.
 
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Weather_Lady

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Please show me where this says ‘all you can eat’.


Whispering Canyon has an all you can eat option and the website specifically says it.


Family style presentation is not automatically all you can eat, unless it explicitly says it. The distinction is pretty clearly stated.
Disney doesn't use the phrase "all you can eat," but Sebastian's _was_ all-you-care-to-enjoy at least as recently as 2023, with dozens of reviewers (including well-known sources like the Disney Tourist Blog, , playDisney, Kenny the Pirate, Disney Food Blog, etc.) noting and confirming that fact. Specifically, you could order seconds of anything you wanted except for the coconut shrimp, which was an upcharge. If that has changed, the change was not announced and hasn't been widely reported. It may no longer technically be the case that it's all-you-care-to-enjoy, but it's not a stretch for guests who've visited in the past, or read/heard reviews from those who have, to reasonably think that the meal is the same as it was last year and every year before.
 
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lazyboy97o

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It’s not an all you can eat meal. It’s a family style meal, and there are certain things you can ask for seconds. That’s an unadvertised nice bonus, not something to be demanded or taken advantage of.

The idea of making an issue over bread is hysterical. Go to dollar tree and get a bag of rolls if it’s so important. Most people would prefer to get their money’s worth out of the meal rather than worry about bread.

There’s plenty of bread served for the table. No need to be gluttonous about it, kids or not. If it’s so crucial, let the kids eat your bread.

OP is right about one thing, it’s not that great a meal to worry about.

Something about the demanding of bread for children as if they’re being deprived and can’t handle eating “only” several rolls just grosses me out, sorry.

Unfollowing this thread.
If it’s something so small then it shouldn’t be a problem to do.

For every guest who doesn’t want to feel ‘rushed’ and takes their time, there is a guest who is waiting longer to get seated for their ADR. The financial model of every restaurant, no matter where it is assumes an average time to ‘turn the table’, and if they take reservations the number of reservations they take is based on that capacity model. If everyone wants to spend longer at their table, fewer people get to dine per hour, fewer reservations are available and the restaurants revenue is reduced.
If a restaurant is rushing people then their model is the issue and they are overbooking.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
If it’s something so small then it shouldn’t be a problem to do.
And in the era of the Internet, every single 'small' item gets spread around as something you can get 'free' and then it gets abused. The number of things that have gone away at WDW over the years because of this pattern can't be counted any longer.

If a restaurant is rushing people then their model is the issue and they are overbooking.
It's a balancing act every restaurant throughout the world has to deal with. If they reduce the number of times a table is turned during a night, their labor costs don't go down so the prices then have to go up to offset that. The servers have fewer checks, so the tips they earn are reduced and as a result, the good servers move on to other more lucratice locations. With fewer table turns, their total revenue each night declines. If they lower the number of turns of the table, fewer people can get a reservation in the restaurant every night so people get upset they can never get into a restaurant they enjoy.

Every restaurant in the world has to balance these things to keep labor cost, facility costs, food cost and pricing in balance or they lose money and don't last. This isn't something unique to WDW, it's the nature of the restaurant business.

If the menu does not say it's 'all you care to enjoy', or 'bottomless whatever' then it isn't, and getting upset when they say you have to pay for more is a guest problem, not a Disney problem. It doesn't matter if at sometime in the past it might have been, every single guest needs to take personal responsibility and read the menu to see what the service model is on they day they are visiting and not blame others for not doing so.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
And in the era of the Internet, every single 'small' item gets spread around as something you can get 'free' and then it gets abused. The number of things that have gone away at WDW over the years because of this pattern can't be counted any longer.
Utter nonsense. More bread isn’t something that was unique to Disney. If Olive Garden can handle it then so can Disney.

It's a balancing act every restaurant throughout the world has to deal with.
It’s a balancing act with airlines who oversell their flights but we don’t just tell people “Too bad, that’s business” when they get bumped from a flight. It’s something the business is responsible for handling, the business, not the customer.
 

Markc2

Member
If the menu does not say it's 'all you care to enjoy', or 'bottomless whatever' then it isn't, and getting upset when they say you have to pay for more is a guest problem, not a Disney problem. It doesn't matter if at sometime in the past it might have been, every single guest needs to take personal responsibility and read the menu to see what the service model is on they day they are visiting and not blame others for not doing so.

As a lawyer, I can tell you, in the instance of Sebastians, it's what the menu DOESN'T SAY, that reinforces the idea that it's all you can eat (well it's that and several other things, but I dont want to make this more complicated than it needs to be). It's a menu of "family style" options, however it 1) Doesn't state portion sizes nor is there any defined portion sizes that come out from the kitchen to the table (i.e. a table of 3 will probably get the same serving size as a table of 4 or 5). 2) It only allows you to pick one entree from the menu that then has to be "shared" with the whole table.

I can tell you based on the two simple facts above, that if anybody were to be petty enough and waste their time take Disney to small claims court because they felt they weren't served sufficiently or got what they paid for if Disney chose to "cut them off" from getting refills of their meal, the court would overwhelmingly rule in the favor of the guest. It would reek of a simple case of "bait and switch". If Disney wants to limit the portion sizes below what a court would find reasonable, than they need to clearly define it on the menu. Furthermore, there's still enough lingering online and physical literature that still states that it's "all you care to enjoy" that they can not simply distance themself from until they remove it completely or state otherwise on the menu.
 

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