lazyboy97o
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It makes no sense to say that Busch Gardens is a high standard while SeaWorld is a low standard. It's the same organization.
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SeaWorld To End Orca Breeding
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Bairstow
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Different facilities, though- and Busch Gardens hasn't been keeping large marine mammals.
lazyboy97o
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They do have large, social, intelligent land mammals.
The facilities may be different but the care they receive is the same. I will agree though that they need to expand the tanks. I had hoped that they would expand the tanks into the stadium seating area but have read elsewhere that they have canceled the Blue World Project which would have expanded the tanks.
Bairstow
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Sure. And Disney and Busch do what most people considered an acceptable job of approximating the animals' natural habitat.
A whale, by contrast, lives in an environment that is fundamentally impossible to approximate on land- it being grossly 3-dimensional, and exceedingly large.
So, without passing judgment on animal captivity as a general concept, it's fair to say that the general public looks at the containment methods for Sea World' killer whales with considerably less esteem than Disney's giraffe habitats- enough that the general public has basically been giving Sea World the finger for the last couple years.
edit: Public perception would also probably be different if Disney's male giraffes' necks collapsed and flopped over after a couple years in captivity.
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deere839
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I think this is a bad decision Peta still not happy and will never be happy and people have been working so hard to help seaworld like me and a lot of my friends have been doing The whales are fine as is and should stay in seaworlds care peta wont be happy till every animal is dead and joel is trying to please the wrong crowd
Tony the Tigger
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Sure. And Disney and Busch do what most people considered an acceptable job of approximating the animals' natural habitat.
A whale, by contrast, lives in an environment that is fundamentally impossible to approximate on land- it being grossly 3-dimensional, and exceedingly large.
So, without passing judgment on animal captivity as a general concept, it's fair to say that the general public looks at the containment methods for Sea World' killer whales with considerably less esteem than Disney's giraffe habitats- enough that the general public has basically been giving Sea World the finger for the last couple years.
edit: Public perception would also probably be different if Disney's male giraffes' necks collapsed and flopped over after a couple years in captivity.
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Exactly. Get a tank the size of an ocean, and we're all good!
michmousefan
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Further evidence that this was the right decision -- not only for the large marine mammals, but for Sea World's financial health:
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/03/29/seaworld-stock-keeps-making-waves.aspx
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/03/29/seaworld-stock-keeps-making-waves.aspx
LukaLand
Active Member
Actually most of Seaworlds whales were concieved naturally! Only 4 were born via AI: Nakai, Kohana, Makani, and Kamea.
Bairstow
Well-Known Member
That seems awfully premature.
As much as I would like to see it happen, I don't have as much confidence in SeaWorld's ability to grow its attendance (at least in Orlando), even on the tide of positive public feelings this announcement has brought. They better have some better tricks up their sleeves than the Antarctica project if they hope to compete with the likes of Universal, and even though it's exactly my personal cup of tea, something like Mako doesn't have universal appeal.
FutureCEO
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PETA will never be happy. The foolish mortals want to release them in the wild and to build sea pens. But whale tanks were/are way too small for that size animal.
I went to a small zoo once. Well, Hershey Park Zoo. Talk about not enough room for the animals. It was like animal prison.
Zoo America is really small. They are boxed in with the amount of land they have available. They should have used some of Hersheypark's expansion land to expand the zoo. Unfortunately that is to late now.
LukaLand
Active Member
I hadn't seen a specific response yet on how exactly they plan to do it. To the best of my knowledge contraceptives have only been used twice in Killer Whales, with Bjossa and Taima. Both were done for very short periods of time due to concerns over there long term use. Fun fact- the drugs were so potent that humans could not touch them without wearing gloves!
I'd say they are in for a fairly easy time in Texas. Ky and Tuar (males) are typically grouped together and Takara and her daughters together. They have the smallest population, and are the only park without preforming Bottlenose Dolphins. Seems like they could easily transfer out the whales in a few years to their other two parks and put the BNDs in Shamu Stadium to preform. Might be a good test to see how the public responds to a Shamu-less SW.
RandomPrincess
Keep Moving Forward
http://wtop.com/travel/2016/04/scientists-bemoan-seaworld-decision-to-stop-breeding-orcas/slide/1/
Scientists bemoan SeaWorld decision to stop breeding orcas
Scientists bemoan SeaWorld decision to stop breeding orcas
BrianV
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Makes you question who really cares about these magnificent animals.
RandomPrincess
Keep Moving Forward
I think a lot of people care, they just have different ideas of how to do it.
Bairstow
Well-Known Member
It also makes you wonder how a newspaper could ignore such glaring conflicts of interest.
To say "scientists bemoan SeaWorld ending..." that being "scientists" with an "s" you need at least two scientists. Four is even better.
Who'd they line up? A scientist who had gotten some notoriety last year for a single-animal study only facilitated by Sea World (and proudly trumpeted by SeaWorld's PR department [and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't their idea in the first place]), a man who serves on multiple advisory boards the company contributes to, a guy who works directly for the company itself, and another woman who used to.
With this level of journalistic scrutiny I'm surprised the article didn't mention SeaWorld's upcoming rollercoasters and their delicious and well-priced dining options.
BrianV
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I was being facetious. It was somewhere in one of these posts that I was accused of being some sort of monster because I saw value in having them in captivity. The PETA people would have you believe that if you aren't for freeing them you are a bad human. There certainly is another group of people who really do care for animals but see there possibly being a greater good for them and their species by having some in captivity -- for scientific study, animal advocacy, etc, and yes, also for entertainment. That side is usually ignored or trivialized by the PETA crowd.
BrianV
Well-Known Member
Awesome quote!!
But since sea world is moving ahead with eliminating the orcas, as apparently they see value in getting rid of them for PR , not sure they would be anxious to have people change their minds. If anything, this article is saying that sea world is making the wrong call in getting rid of them.