SeaWorld proposes building new park

NemoRocks78

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SeaWorld proposes building new park
The 58-acre attraction would be built along the east side of I-Drive.
By Jack Snyder and Jim Leusner | Sentinel Staff Writers
Posted June 18, 2005


SeaWorld Orlando is planning its first major expansion in five years -- a 58-acre attraction it hopes to open in 2007, the company confirmed Friday.

Spokeswoman Becca Bides confirmed the plans but said the company won't offer any details until the fall. It would be about a third the size of SeaWorld and larger than Discovery Cove, the 30-acre park that opened in 2000.

An International Drive businessman -- who asked not to be identified because of his connections to the tourism industry -- said it is likely a water park will be built on the site.

"We're pretty sure it's being designed as a competitor with Wet 'n Wild -- and some of what you see at Adventure Island," he said.

Universal Orlando-owned Wet 'n Wild, which opened in 1977, is a few miles north of SeaWorld on International Drive. Adventure Island, next to Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, features splash rides and a 17,000-square-foot wave pool on 36 acres. Both SeaWorld and Adventure Island are owned by Anheuser Busch, based in St. Louis.

Sketchy plans filed by SeaWorld with Orange County indicate a 58.37-acre park would be developed on part of about 100 acres the company owns along the east side of International Drive, south of Sea Harbor Drive.

The plans show five attraction areas, with no specifics about what they are. Three commercial areas also are on the map, again with no details. No building in the expansion would exceed 140 feet, according to the filing.

The park's capacity was listed as 7,500 people.

Residents of nearby Williamsburg also have heard the attraction will be a water park.

Jerry Pastore, president of the Montpelier Village Home Owners Association, a part of the huge Williamsburg community, said SeaWorld workers have told him that a $90 million water-park attraction will be developed.

The company wouldn't say, issuing a statement that read: "SeaWorld Orlando intends to build a new park in Orlando, to open in 2007. We will fully detail the concept and nature of this exciting new project in an official announcement later this fall."

The county planning department has notified the Orange County Development Review Committee it must have more details before it can make recommendations. The review committee is scheduled to consider the plans Wednesday.

Parking would be to the east of the new theme park, abutting Montpelier Village. Plans indicate parking for more than 2,000 vehicles.

Pastore said a large number of Williamsburg residents -- Montpelier Village is one component of the large community -- plan to attend the meeting to object to the expansion.

"We don't want the parking lot next to our community," Pastore said. The lights and noise will be disruptive and annoying, he said.

Pastore fears crowded area roads will get worse. "The traffic is terrible now," he said.

The development of the 3,000-acre Williamsburg was launched in the late 1970s, just a few years after the marine-life park opened.

Pastore said the attraction has become an increasingly annoying neighbor for many Williamsburg residents.

The addition of the Kraken roller coaster in 2000 increased that annoyance to new levels, he said. "You can hear it day and night," Pastore said.

Discovery Cove was the last major park attraction opened by the company, though SeaWorld did develop a lakefront dining and shopping complex within the original park in 2003.

SeaWorld has rebuffed past offers to buy the land now targeted for development, indicating it had future plans for the property. "I have tried to buy it for years," said Susan Morris, a senior vice president of Colliers Arnold Commercial Real Estate in Orlando. Morris said hotel developers coveted the land.

If SeaWorld opens a water park, it would be in head-to-head competition with the Wet 'n Wild attraction.

Wet 'n Wild was built on land leased from the California family of Elmer "Al" Slavik, whose heirs still own it. Park founder George Millay sold the attraction to a subsidiary of Universal Studios in 1998 because the land lease with the Slaviks started to escalate each year through 2007 and would "have gone through the roof" starting in 2012, Millay said in his book The Wave Maker released earlier this year.

"Universal Orlando, which now owns the park, will move Wet 'n Wild from its current location to Universal property before the 2012 escalation in the lease," Millay predicts in his book.

Abe Pizam, dean of the College of Hospitality Management at the University of Central Florida, said if the new attraction is a water park, it likely will be a new concept.

"They're smart enough to know there are a lot of water parks already," he said.

Walt Disney World has been in the water-park business since 1989, when it opened the 50-acre Typhoon Lagoon. Blizzard Beach, slightly larger at 66 acres, opened in 1995.

Mark Schlueb of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Jack Snyder can be reached at 407-420-5094 or at jsnyder@orlandosentinel.com Jim Leusner can be reached at 407-420-5411 or at jleusner@orlandosentinel.com
 

CAPTAIN HOOK

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A water park at the southern end of I-Drive ? Makes sense as it will take a lot of business from W&W with all the rental homes and hotels in and around Kissimee, 192 & 27. But will it affect Disneys two water parks ? Initially, when it opens I believe it will - the "something new" factor will always affect existing business but in the long term I think W&W will be the big loser.
 

macopia

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NemoRocks said:
The development of the 3,000-acre Williamsburg was launched in the late 1970s, just a few years after the marine-life park opened.

Pastore said the attraction has become an increasingly annoying neighbor for many Williamsburg residents.

The addition of the Kraken roller coaster in 2000 increased that annoyance to new levels, he said. "You can hear it day and night," Pastore said.

Why do people complain about noise when the park was there first?
 

DanStat

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That article is incorrect. Disney has been in the water park business since the launch of River Country, not Typhoon Lagoon.
 

Zed

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I can understand why that part of Williamsburg is concerned about the noise from the possible parking lot of this new park's close proximity to their homes. Also the new park will more than likely remove the buffer of woods between them and SW, not to mention the park itself's noise during the day.

I think the majority of the people who complain about SW itself, are some of the original retired residents of Williamsburg, and were there when SW was a very small, intimate park,before Anheuser-Busch, and before it's expansion over the years. I also think that group is a very small group, and most of the different home owner's assocition presidents seem to think they're some sort of powerful, god-like being who think they're more important than they really are. He shouldn't be concerned with SW as much as some his own residents who live in MV, as they make alot more noise for alot longer periods of time than SW does.

As for the SW noise thing, I used to live in that part of Williamsburg, and could see Kraken's lift hill from my carport, I could once in a blue moon hear the screams from its riders, and couldn't hear the ride itself since Anheuser-Busch went out of their way to make Kraken very quiet, and even met with Williamsburg before it was built. The fireworks, and the sea lions at Pacific Point Preserve can be heard at night( I always loved both of them as I moved over to Orlando to be closer to the parks) but some prob complained.

In fact the fireworks are now only in peak seasons, holidays, and an occasional special event private function as compared to year round.
 

TheHawK

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This might move USF to move up the date of moving Wet n Wild, the best sign of the date will be when WnW doesn't add something new
 

Ralph Wiggum

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the actual logistics of moving WnW are mind-blowing. another water park down here benefits us all. keep up the competition. but what's going to happen to the Flexticket?
 

Michael72688

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It might be a logistical nightmare, but in the long run, it would actually save money and make Universal Orlando look more like a multi-day resort.
 

TheHawK

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Good question about the flexticket? Never thought about that, and it should be interesting if they add the new waterpark to the pass or they just stop with it
 

JROK

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SeaWorld park on hold for specifics
Nearby Williamsburg residents, who don't want more noise and traffic, are thrilled.

By Rich McKay | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted June 23, 2005


In a victory for neighbors who don't want another attraction built on the doorstep of their neighborhood of close-trimmed lawns and cul-de-sacs, Orange County officials stalled SeaWorld Orlando's plans Wednesday for a new attraction.

County planners complained about the lack of detail in SeaWorld's plans, calling some parts "amoebas" where presumably rides and attractions would be built on the 58-acre site off International Drive.

The main ride is said by industry insiders to be a water slide that would compete with those at the Universal Orlando-owned Wet 'n Wild, which opened in 1977, as well as Disney's water parks.

But SeaWorld is keeping mum on its plans for its property along the east side of International Drive, south of Sea Harbor Drive. And that irked county planners.

"I have to go out and show this to the community, and if I show them this, they'll shoot me," said John Smogor, assistant manager of the county's planning division.

Residents of the huge Williamsburg community, who complain a new attraction will bring more noise and traffic, were thrilled with the delay.

"This is a victory -- and a major one," said Jerry Pastore, an architect who lives in the Williamsburg neighborhood.

The Development Review Committee wants a long list of specifics, including how tall the structures would be, what they would look like and how much land would be paved over.

That information, in turn, would tell them what kind of lighting, noise and other factors might affect the surrounding area and which county codes should be followed to protect the neighbors.

"I have a county code to enforce, but I don't have enough information here to know what this is," Smogor complained.

County planners estimated it would be late September at the earliest before SeaWorld could come back before the committee.

While the rejection by the committee delays the process by about three months, planners say that in the big picture of building an attraction slated to open in 2007, it's not a serious delay.

Becca Bides, a SeaWorld spokeswoman, could not confirm any information about the attraction but said she expected SeaWorld designers to appear before the county soon.

"Today's meeting will not delay the process," she said.

While nothing specific about SeaWorld's intentions were made clear, the plans filed with the county call for no structure higher than 140 feet tall. Four representatives for SeaWorld and its contractors at the Development Review Committee meeting declined comment to the Sentinel, including giving their names.

Chris Testerman, manager of Orange County's planning division, pointed out that SeaWorld already has the zoning required to build an attraction on the property. The questions are just over how to make that attraction comply with county codes -- not whether it could be built.

Residents Morris and Selma Barocas, who moved here from New York about 25 years ago, said they don't expect to stop SeaWorld.

"I doubt we can do much," Morris Barocas said. "They're turning our neighborhood into Coney Island. We can't stop it. There's too much money to be made."

Rich McKay can be reached

at rmckay@orlandosentinel.com

or 407-420-5470.




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When Universal does move Wet N Wild, I see them also adding a value hotel in the area as well as making Wet N Wild a completely different park with themes and all like Disney waterparks but maintaining the majority of the attractions already present. Universal has noise issues as well. But mainly during the night. Why do you think there is a giant wall behind Dueling Dragons and such? For scenery and to knock out noise for the neighboring neighborhoods. Usually their coasters stop running around 11pm. But here's some pics of the area that is in the spotlight by Sea World.
<img src="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2005-06/18080750.jpg"></img>​
<CENTER>An aerial view of SeaWorld from March shows the Williamsburg development in the background. SeaWorld plans to develop the parcel between the park and the neighborhood.
(RED HUBER/ORLANDO SENTINEL ABOARD WESH-NEWSCHANNEL 2 HELICOPTER)</CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER><CENTER><img src="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2005-06/18080751.gif"></img></CENTER>
 

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