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EPCOT Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious
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What in the world? Are you kidding me? Does anybody on planet Earth see any "black" or "white" or "brown" or "man" or "woman"....or ANY specific demographic promotion in Reflections of Earth? Of course not!,..that show is literally about every single person than on Earth. It's even all-inclusive of Earth's animals as well! It's about ALL living things on Earth!....millions of years of it!
Seriously?
It was worse in person.
matt9112
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How much money does he make per footstep around world showcase.
Giss Neric
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I'm watching a bunch of live streams tonight and people seemed to love it, judging by the reactions of the audience. Watching it again made me appreciate it more but it still lacked the feels... I feel like the soundtrack for Rivers of Light would fit this show more.
If you originally watched the Disney Parks' livestream, you would hardly have known there was any pyro at all.
Oh yes!,....the "Is that it?" phenomenon among everybody is a REAL thing!
Our crowd was like:
"Is it over now?....yes....I mean no, not yet....yes, I think it's not over...are you sure?...I think I'm sure....so that's everything?...yes, maybe...so,...prolly"
etc,...etc......
MrPromey
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You're saying you want like a transparent PNG of just him?"That Bob Ain't Right"
BTW can somebody in this thread please make an edit without the Harmonious barges for future memes templets? I love this so much you guys!
If so, I can do that for you!
Cmdr_Crimson
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MrPromey
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For me, at least on video, this had all the depth of a disney-fied extended version of Viva Vision.
Same pointless spectacle but more drawn out.
Obviously, there were some brief, wonderfully thought out things like how they merge water, actual lights and visuals on the screens in interesting ways but it's all in service of what feels like a weak show.
This feels like the "story" was an after-thought once they nailed down the technical specs. Like they had a fuzzy idea of how that was going to go as an IP theme but more like they pushed a show into their awesome new hardware rather than building hardware to support any specific vision of a show.
It seems like little of consequence really happens on any of the screens for most of the run time and like there is little to no timing in consideration to what's going on with the screens vs. the fireworks so both areas of view are competing for your attention at the same time rather than playing off each other.
Also, with as much pointless filler as is used on the taco screens for much of the show, I feel like their primary purpose is to hide the monstrosity of the machinery behind them. So much of the time, they have screensaver-like visuals which feel as though they're there just to be there.
Hopefully, they'll take the technical tricks they've learned from this and roll them into something better somewhere on property in the future so the loss of our sight-lines and the loss of a show that actually had depth doesn't end up being for nothing long-term.
Same pointless spectacle but more drawn out.
Obviously, there were some brief, wonderfully thought out things like how they merge water, actual lights and visuals on the screens in interesting ways but it's all in service of what feels like a weak show.
This feels like the "story" was an after-thought once they nailed down the technical specs. Like they had a fuzzy idea of how that was going to go as an IP theme but more like they pushed a show into their awesome new hardware rather than building hardware to support any specific vision of a show.
It seems like little of consequence really happens on any of the screens for most of the run time and like there is little to no timing in consideration to what's going on with the screens vs. the fireworks so both areas of view are competing for your attention at the same time rather than playing off each other.
Also, with as much pointless filler as is used on the taco screens for much of the show, I feel like their primary purpose is to hide the monstrosity of the machinery behind them. So much of the time, they have screensaver-like visuals which feel as though they're there just to be there.
Hopefully, they'll take the technical tricks they've learned from this and roll them into something better somewhere on property in the future so the loss of our sight-lines and the loss of a show that actually had depth doesn't end up being for nothing long-term.
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UNCgolf
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It's actually worse than that -- even if someone on Twitter has two million followers, or the tweet has thousands of responses, it's still a tiny percentage of the actual population. I've read before that even the full number of Twitter accounts isn't all that big, and a huge percentage of those accounts are never used. The number of accounts that actually engage regularly is relatively tiny.
It has so many flaws from a statistical/data sciences standpoint that it's basically garbage data that doesn't really tell you anything.
DonaldDoleWhip
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I also watched it in person tonight. Grabbed a decent spot in Japan (not waterfront) a minute before it began.
To be clear, many of the segments are fun to watch, but I never really got the feels and am still not feeling it as a whole.
It's like a weird hodgepodge of HEA, World of Color, and Mickey's Mix Magic (dance along to your favorites!), finishing off with its most serious moment out of nowhere, à la Peace on Earth.
That said, the crowds tonight seemed to be enjoying it. I heard many positive reactions, ranging from "I like this show!" to "they should put something like this in all the parks."
So yesterday's reaction was definitely skewed a little by the Epcot/RoE purists.
To be clear, many of the segments are fun to watch, but I never really got the feels and am still not feeling it as a whole.
It's like a weird hodgepodge of HEA, World of Color, and Mickey's Mix Magic (dance along to your favorites!), finishing off with its most serious moment out of nowhere, à la Peace on Earth.
That said, the crowds tonight seemed to be enjoying it. I heard many positive reactions, ranging from "I like this show!" to "they should put something like this in all the parks."
So yesterday's reaction was definitely skewed a little by the Epcot/RoE purists.
DisneyGentlemanV2.0
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Not my kind of music...
Har-moanie-yuck
Har-moanie-yuck
castlecake2.0
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Watched tonight from Italy. Saw a couple people bop along, some claps between segments...
personally, I thought the show was awful. It has no business in being in world showcase or epcot. No emotion, no sense of purpose. Giant hunk of junk.
personally, I thought the show was awful. It has no business in being in world showcase or epcot. No emotion, no sense of purpose. Giant hunk of junk.
Tom Morrow
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Alright, had to see it in person. I hated it. Despite knowing it was a Bob Chapek IP fest, I tried my hardest to like it, but I wanted it to be over only a few minutes in... and it just kept going.... and going.
The positives:
- I'm glad they kept the Epcot Forever BGM as I had grown fond of it and, while somewhat generic, at least it's not IP.
- Thank god they used adult announcers and not kids like Epcot Forever had.
- The tech certainly is cool and the show is pretty. There's no denying that IllumiNations would have gained a lot from some of this tech.
The negatives:
- No pacing. No flow. No energy. The show is segmented, as are all the other new shows, but nothing matters. Nothing builds. A segment starts, goes BALLS TO THE WALL FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, and then stops. Silence. Then the next one starts. Repeat several times until it's over. There's no meaning, no emotion. It's just pretty and there and nothing more. Happily Ever After was segmented too, but it at least had an overarching theme and narration to tie it together and bookend it.
- Lack of pyro. Remember when people complained that a long segment of ROE had no pyro? This show must have about 75% less pyro than IllumiNations and much more time spent looking at screens. How ironic. This is a fountain and projection show more than anything (because that saves money).
- The stargate and tacos look pretty all lit up, but their slow movement transitions are not interesting. They are not enough kinetic movement to be entertaining, nor are the lame animations on the tacos. And there are very, very long segments - and a LOT of them - where this is all you are looking at. This was definitely not worth destroying the beauty of the lagoon over.
- The music - while I like the actual songs chosen, the arrangements here are so over-layered and so overdone. It was bombastic overkill that did not at all match the very sparsely-changing visuals.
- Then, after way too long, it just kind of ends. It doesn't feel like it's ending, you only know because the narration tells you it's ending.
And of course, this doesn't belong in Epcot at all. I tried my best to ignore that and hoped that the show itself would be good enough for me to not care, but it isn't. Not even close.
Then, as I walked out, I heard a bunch of people fawning over it and someone say "JuSt BeCaUsE iT HaD CLaSsiCaL MuSiC DiDn'T MaKe iT GoOd" (in reference to ROE). So I screamed internally, knowing that my opinion is in the minority and the average new guest is going to eat it up because they don't think of it beyond "pretty colors I can post to Instagram", and this soulless, emotionless synergy stuff is the future of WDW.
I sort of agree. I think the points of light should be reduced in brightness by maybe 30% and the spotlights should still be used as fill lighting. I also think it should "twinkle" in default mode rather than having them all at 100%.
The positives:
- I'm glad they kept the Epcot Forever BGM as I had grown fond of it and, while somewhat generic, at least it's not IP.
- Thank god they used adult announcers and not kids like Epcot Forever had.
- The tech certainly is cool and the show is pretty. There's no denying that IllumiNations would have gained a lot from some of this tech.
The negatives:
- No pacing. No flow. No energy. The show is segmented, as are all the other new shows, but nothing matters. Nothing builds. A segment starts, goes BALLS TO THE WALL FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, and then stops. Silence. Then the next one starts. Repeat several times until it's over. There's no meaning, no emotion. It's just pretty and there and nothing more. Happily Ever After was segmented too, but it at least had an overarching theme and narration to tie it together and bookend it.
- Lack of pyro. Remember when people complained that a long segment of ROE had no pyro? This show must have about 75% less pyro than IllumiNations and much more time spent looking at screens. How ironic. This is a fountain and projection show more than anything (because that saves money).
- The stargate and tacos look pretty all lit up, but their slow movement transitions are not interesting. They are not enough kinetic movement to be entertaining, nor are the lame animations on the tacos. And there are very, very long segments - and a LOT of them - where this is all you are looking at. This was definitely not worth destroying the beauty of the lagoon over.
- The music - while I like the actual songs chosen, the arrangements here are so over-layered and so overdone. It was bombastic overkill that did not at all match the very sparsely-changing visuals.
- Then, after way too long, it just kind of ends. It doesn't feel like it's ending, you only know because the narration tells you it's ending.
And of course, this doesn't belong in Epcot at all. I tried my best to ignore that and hoped that the show itself would be good enough for me to not care, but it isn't. Not even close.
Then, as I walked out, I heard a bunch of people fawning over it and someone say "JuSt BeCaUsE iT HaD CLaSsiCaL MuSiC DiDn'T MaKe iT GoOd" (in reference to ROE). So I screamed internally, knowing that my opinion is in the minority and the average new guest is going to eat it up because they don't think of it beyond "pretty colors I can post to Instagram", and this soulless, emotionless synergy stuff is the future of WDW.
I sort of agree. I think the points of light should be reduced in brightness by maybe 30% and the spotlights should still be used as fill lighting. I also think it should "twinkle" in default mode rather than having them all at 100%.
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brb1006
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Yes pleaseYou're saying you want like a transparent PNG of just him?
If so, I can do that for you!
