News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Epcot-Rules

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Disney's argument likely will have little to do with the state constitution. Disney probably will frame this as a violation of the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech [emphasis added], or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Citizens United suggests that corporations such as Disney have rights that are protected by the 1st Amendment.

A reasonable argument can be made that the State of Florida passed a law that abridged Disney's right to free speech.
I hear what your saying but the state's stance is they have given Disney what no other company in the state of Florida has been given. That hardly falls under the first amendment. I think the timing is very suspicious of course but Uni or Sea World don't have that power. I don't think Disney has much of a chance in court. Times have changed since Reedy Creek Act.
 

Lilofan

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Desantis was on Tucker Carlson last night, and Tucker intro'd him by saying thanking him for "Wanting a public corporation to pay their taxes." Meanwhile DeSantis shared that "Disney had an extraordinary deal. (Among other things) they didn't have to go through permitting processes, which is obviously a lot of tax benefit."

So much misinformation between these two...
Tucker is a conspiracy theorist regarding his recent off the wall Disney castration theory. I don’t pay him no mind.
 

lazyboy97o

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I hear what your saying but the state's stance is they have given Disney what no other company in the state of Florida has been given. That hardly falls under the first amendment. I think the timing is very suspicious of course but Uni or Sea World don't have that power. I don't think Disney has much of a chance in court. Times have changed since Reedy Creek Act.
Will you please give some specific examples of these powers that Disney wields that otherwise hampers Universal and/or SeaWorld?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Political theater, nothing more. Rile ‘em up and get their donation money. Rinse, repeat.

I’d never set foot in Florida if not for WDW.
Yep
It’s not theater, it’s a law. One that is set to have profound negative consequences for thousands of people.
The public “rescinding” of it is theater…what happens in court is real/affects the law.

Nothing about what happened yesterday has any value. As proven by this stupid interview (apparently) last night
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Ok but you still don't know how much it will cost the counties to provide the same services. Nobody have those numbers because this happened a few days ago. Yes everything is legal. How do you now the numbers when even the orange county mayor can't answer the same question. They only talked about the bonds there is still a lot more going on. People are just going online and repeating misinformation.
The services would be provided by Orange County and the cost would get socialized to all county residents and businesses not just Disney. Just like the example I posted about the county footing half the bill for a new road to Universal‘s new park. All businesses and tax payers are paying a share of the cost of that road. Same goes for first responders. The fire and police could in theory roll under the larger Orange County departments but that balloons the overall budget. The county gets additional tax dollars from Disney but there’s no guarantee that the tax dollars completely offset the costs. In other words the assumption that this “punishment“ will cost Disney millions and be some kind of windfall for the state is unlikely. RCID operates at a small loss each year so Disney has been pretty much funding the actual costs through tax payments. The citizens of Orange County have the most to risk here but the powers to be at the state level could care less about them. The lawmakers who actually represent Orange County seem very concerned about the impact to their constituents.

What Disney loses is autonomy and certain financial benefits. They cannot just do what they want with road projects and utility projects and they cannot borrow money with municipal bonds to pay for it. The billions in municipal bonds are not on the balance sheet of TWDC so it’s a way for them to borrow money off balance sheet to fund infrastructure improvements at WDW. If RCID is dissolved then they may need to use corporate cash to pay for parts of certain projects if they decide the need them to go forward. They will also need to negotiate with Orange County similar to how Comcast does now on larger projects. Disney is still the counties largest employer and the Disney lobby money at the local level will still flow in so they will maybe get some benefit from the county footing part of their bill (similar to the road project at Universal).
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I hear what your saying but the state's stance is they have given Disney what no other company in the state of Florida has been given. That hardly falls under the first amendment. I think the timing is very suspicious of course but Uni or Sea World don't have that power. I don't think Disney has much of a chance in court. Times have changed since Reedy Creek Act.
That statement is designed to get you to trust this stunt without analysis that shows it actually has been mutually beneficial in Orlando the whole time
 

Epcot-Rules

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It’s because Chapek does not have leadership skills. If he did he would have stuck to his guns and tried to keep Disney apolitical. Instead he caved and managed to anger everyone.
I could not agree more! Stick to entertaining and stay out of politics. This whole issue could have been avoided. My wife is involved in state politics, not a politician just involved with some comities in Tallahassee. She tells me the governor is very powerful in this state and he usually gets what he wants.
 

JoeT63

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It’s not theater, it’s a law. One that is set to have profound negative consequences for thousands of people.
Yep, true. But a law that won’t survive judicial scrutiny. It won’t ever be implemented, and the politico’s will be able to fundraise off it and say how tough they were.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I could not agree more! Stick to entertaining and stay out of politics. This whole issue could have been avoided. My wife is involved in state politics, not a politician just involved with some comities in Tallahassee. She tells me the governor is very powerful in this state and he usually gets what he wants.
Disney has never and will not “stay out of politics”

The elephant in this room whenever I see this is two things:

1. Disney needs better management
2. The state/country needs better politicians


Pretty simple there
 

lazyboy97o

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I could not agree more! Stick to entertaining and stay out of politics. This whole issue could have been avoided. My wife is involved in state politics, not a politician just involved with some comities in Tallahassee. She tells me the governor is very powerful in this state and he usually gets what he wants.
Once again, several persons have made statements that their goal is change Disney’s entertainment content. They’re interested in broader Censorship, not just specific legal activities.
 

castlecake2.0

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Original Poster
I hear what your saying but the state's stance is they have given Disney what no other company in the state of Florida has been given. That hardly falls under the first amendment. I think the timing is very suspicious of course but Uni or Sea World don't have that power. I don't think Disney has much of a chance in court. Times have changed since Reedy Creek Act.
But they haven’t, there’s 1,844 special districts in the state, not just Disney. The reason other theme parks don’t have a special district is because they don’t also maintain a city’s worth of infrastructure. UOR is 500 acres, Seaworld is 200, WDW is 28,000 acres.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
But they haven’t, there’s 1,844 special districts in the state, not just Disney. The reason other theme parks don’t have a special district is because they don’t also maintain a city’s worth of infrastructure. UOR is 500 acres, Seaworld is 200, WDW is 28,000 acres.
Those other operators also didn’t ask…

Central Florida parkway area/Idrive and Kirkman weren’t a hazmat former fertilizer farm when those places moved to town
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Well bringing this very much back to WDW, this gives Disney yet another reason to make significant cut backs to WDW going forward. I am hearing this is already concern about the future.
Sad to hear:(. We already mentioned the possibility of pulling back on those 2,000 jobs that were supposed to move from CA but not sure if that ship already set sail. Would this potentially impact the operations at WDW directly? There’s no way for the company to “pull out“ of FL since you can’t move a theme park but it would be sad to see them stop investing in the parks there. It’s more realistic to pull back from the cruise business there. Move current or future ships to Galveston or New Orleans or Baltimore.

My opinion is cooler heads will prevail and this will all blow over before any of this happens.…I hope 🤔 This current political wave won’t last any longer then previous ones, the pendulum always swings.
 

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