WDWHero
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Disstevefan1
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Selling "Love is Universal" merch and donating 100 percent of the profits and staying out of a fight that has nothing to do with them is catering to the far-right?
Wow.
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This narrative isn't true. Disney initially refused to respond until basically all their employee's unions demanded they issue a statement, only under that pressure (during a labor shortage, no less) did they say anything.
I was responding to a member who was seemingly implying that Universal is just in it for the money.
Let me be crystal clear: Disney was extremely shortsighted in their initial handling of the response to the parental rights legislation. Like it or not, had they not put out that statement against the legislation, we would not be in this situation, and in doing so, they alienated an entire political party. Does that make the retaliatory action that followed right? No. However, two things can be true at once; had Disney chosen not to put out that statement, Reedy Creek would still exist with the landowner-elected board, and DeSantis and Co. were wrong to retaliate.
Universal, on the other hand, has taken a much calmer approach, with this being an example of their efforts to support LGBT causes while not alienating an entire political party in the process.
I hardly ever see it brought up but desantis's response has always had the implicit underlying message that other companies should not bow to the pressure of their employees' demands and fight back against this kind of stuff because the state is now willing to wield its power to do more damage to the company than their employees can. What better example to make for this than the most iconic business in the state.
RamblinWreck
Well-Known Member
I have to strongly disagree.
I was responding to a member who was seemingly implying that Universal is just in it for the money.
Let me be crystal clear: Disney was extremely shortsighted in their initial handling of the response to the parental rights legislation. Like it or not, had they not put out that statement against the legislation, we would not be in this situation, and in doing so, they alienated an entire political party. Does that make the retaliatory action that followed right? No. However, two things can be true at once; had Disney chosen not to put out that statement, Reedy Creek would still exist with the landowner-elected board, and DeSantis and Co. were wrong to retaliate.
Universal, on the other hand, has taken a much calmer approach, with this being an example of their efforts to support LGBT causes while not alienating an entire political party in the process.
Disney’s tepid response to the Parental Rights bill would have hardly been heard about or cared about by the vast majority of Americans.
It had no power to alienate much of anyone, let alone a portion of a political party, without being blown out of proportion by a certain governor who wanted to boost his national profile.
flynnibus
Premium Member
again, sliver of truth being abused...
The RCID had superiority over other conflicting state issues where it had governance. They had their own rules... which generally were not abused to be substandard, but generally the opposite. They also had isolation from neighboring oversight.. but this is a stretch to claim 'exempt from' - but we know the speaker here is not afraid to stretch the truth. Ironically, they had far more high profile 'exemptions' in actual state laws simply because the legislatures let them lobby them in... yet they aren't attacking those.
Taxes comment is about taxes didn't have to pay taxes on things they funneled through RCID instead of doing themselves.
Surferboy567
Well-Known Member
According to his recent comments he intends to have the Florida Legislature pass a bill to nullify the developer agreement. Can the government do that? How does that affect the law suit?
That seems illegal, though I am not a legal expert. Can the government just pass new bills for every contract they disagree with? Targeting just Disney for this new bill gives Disney more ammo in their lawsuit.
That seems illegal, though I am not a legal expert. Can the government just pass new bills for every contract they disagree with? Targeting just Disney for this new bill gives Disney more ammo in their lawsuit.
Brian
Well-Known Member
I think you're giving the governor too much credit here. Disney amplified that statement across social media and it was widely reported on. Besides, it's not like we're talking about some obscure fintech startup; it's ostensibly the most beloved and influential entertainment conglomerate in the world.
I also think it's a mischaracterization to call their statement "tepid." Their response prior to this statement was, though.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
What did the company do wrong in this fiasco?
The Orlando Sentinel is reporting the union representing Disney World’s first responders says it has reached a tentative contract agreement with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District.
"Union members will vote on the contract the week of May 15. If they approve the agreement, it will go before the board on May 24 for ratification, Shirey said.
Though he is confident the union’s first responders will back the contract, Shirey said members are concerned Disney’s lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis and the board, in addition to the board’s likely countersuit, over Disney’s development agreements could affect the new contract’s approval.
“To have a major setback like that would be pretty devastating for our members,” Shirey said.
District spokespeople did not immediately respond to questions on the tentative agreement Monday. Disney did not respond to a request for comment."
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"The tentative agreement will add approximately 50 total firefighter and paramedic positions to the fire department within a year, increasing the roughly 200-employee agency’s staffing by about 25%, Shirey said.
As it hires more first responders, the fire department has promised to similarly increase the minimum number of these employees on shift at a time, Shirey said.
This change better equips the agency to respond to emergencies across Disney’s 40-square-mile property. Thanks to personnel changes, it will have two more ambulances staffed to respond to incidents and could reach four by the end of the year, he said.
“That’s a game-changer,” Shirey said. “Not only for us working but also just for everybody coming to visit. The odds of there not being a unit available to run those emergency calls are going to be almost eliminated at that point.”
The fire department’s minimum staffing will start at 32 firefighters and 18 EMS personnel under the contract, Shirey said. That firefighter number is the same as it was before the COVID-19 pandemic, but the agency has agreed to increase it to 44 firefighters during the contract’s term as more people are hired.
The proposal would also create a dedicated special operations team responsible for evacuating riders from Disney’s rides and transportation systems, like the Monorail and Skyliner gondolas, when they break down. The team’s current cross-staffing structure means trained firefighters have to switch from other assignments to the special unit when called, causing potential delays in response, Shirey said.
The contract agreement includes a significant pay bump for first responders and increases the department’s firefighter starting pay by about $10,000, Shirey said. That amount brings the department’s starting wage to the same level as that of neighboring agencies.
“That was a direct result of the struggle that we’ve been having with recruitment,” Shirey said. “We did a very broad comparison of the greater Central Florida area, going all the way up to Tampa on the West Coast and then looking at different departments on the East Coast, and we found that we were significantly lower than a lot of the competitors in our market.”
Shirey declined to discuss details on pay rates, citing the union’s upcoming contract vote. An April 18 job posting by the district advertises a $55,000 annual salary for firefighters and paramedics.
Another benefit included in the proposal is the restoration of health care benefits for retirees, meaning district staff would continue to receive a supplementary health plan from the district upon retirement, Shirey said."
Full article below.
www.orlandosentinel.com
"Union members will vote on the contract the week of May 15. If they approve the agreement, it will go before the board on May 24 for ratification, Shirey said.
Though he is confident the union’s first responders will back the contract, Shirey said members are concerned Disney’s lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis and the board, in addition to the board’s likely countersuit, over Disney’s development agreements could affect the new contract’s approval.
“To have a major setback like that would be pretty devastating for our members,” Shirey said.
District spokespeople did not immediately respond to questions on the tentative agreement Monday. Disney did not respond to a request for comment."
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"The tentative agreement will add approximately 50 total firefighter and paramedic positions to the fire department within a year, increasing the roughly 200-employee agency’s staffing by about 25%, Shirey said.
As it hires more first responders, the fire department has promised to similarly increase the minimum number of these employees on shift at a time, Shirey said.
This change better equips the agency to respond to emergencies across Disney’s 40-square-mile property. Thanks to personnel changes, it will have two more ambulances staffed to respond to incidents and could reach four by the end of the year, he said.
“That’s a game-changer,” Shirey said. “Not only for us working but also just for everybody coming to visit. The odds of there not being a unit available to run those emergency calls are going to be almost eliminated at that point.”
The fire department’s minimum staffing will start at 32 firefighters and 18 EMS personnel under the contract, Shirey said. That firefighter number is the same as it was before the COVID-19 pandemic, but the agency has agreed to increase it to 44 firefighters during the contract’s term as more people are hired.
The proposal would also create a dedicated special operations team responsible for evacuating riders from Disney’s rides and transportation systems, like the Monorail and Skyliner gondolas, when they break down. The team’s current cross-staffing structure means trained firefighters have to switch from other assignments to the special unit when called, causing potential delays in response, Shirey said.
The contract agreement includes a significant pay bump for first responders and increases the department’s firefighter starting pay by about $10,000, Shirey said. That amount brings the department’s starting wage to the same level as that of neighboring agencies.
“That was a direct result of the struggle that we’ve been having with recruitment,” Shirey said. “We did a very broad comparison of the greater Central Florida area, going all the way up to Tampa on the West Coast and then looking at different departments on the East Coast, and we found that we were significantly lower than a lot of the competitors in our market.”
Shirey declined to discuss details on pay rates, citing the union’s upcoming contract vote. An April 18 job posting by the district advertises a $55,000 annual salary for firefighters and paramedics.
Another benefit included in the proposal is the restoration of health care benefits for retirees, meaning district staff would continue to receive a supplementary health plan from the district upon retirement, Shirey said."
Full article below.
Disney first responders reach tentative contract deal with district
After more than four years of negotiations, the union representing Disney World’s first responders says it has reached a tentative contract agreement with the Central Florida Tourism Oversigh…
www.orlandosentinel.com
cranbiz
Well-Known Member
Really? I know Disney is far from perfect, heck, I was a CM. However, lost respect for? Not a chance. And I would be considered a moderate Republican. I have lost all respect for Ron DeSantis though. Well, I lost respect for him a while ago but this Disney fiasco has affirmed my decision.
RamblinWreck
Well-Known Member
Waiting until after the bill has already been passed, putting out an extremely short and vague statement attributed to soneone nobody knows of, and doing absolutely nothing else is about as tepid as it gets.
Surferboy567
Well-Known Member
The board is going to weaponize first responder pay as a way to try and get these developer agreements voided. Extremely low even for this board.The Orlando Sentinel is reporting the union representing Disney World’s first responders says it has reached a tentative contract agreement with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District.
"Union members will vote on the contract the week of May 15. If they approve the agreement, it will go before the board on May 24 for ratification, Shirey said.
Though he is confident the union’s first responders will back the contract, Shirey said members are concerned Disney’s lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis and the board, in addition to the board’s likely countersuit, over Disney’s development agreements could affect the new contract’s approval.
“To have a major setback like that would be pretty devastating for our members,” Shirey said.
District spokespeople did not immediately respond to questions on the tentative agreement Monday. Disney did not respond to a request for comment."
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"The tentative agreement will add approximately 50 total firefighter and paramedic positions to the fire department within a year, increasing the roughly 200-employee agency’s staffing by about 25%, Shirey said.
As it hires more first responders, the fire department has promised to similarly increase the minimum number of these employees on shift at a time, Shirey said.
This change better equips the agency to respond to emergencies across Disney’s 40-square-mile property. Thanks to personnel changes, it will have two more ambulances staffed to respond to incidents and could reach four by the end of the year, he said.
“That’s a game-changer,” Shirey said. “Not only for us working but also just for everybody coming to visit. The odds of there not being a unit available to run those emergency calls are going to be almost eliminated at that point.”
The fire department’s minimum staffing will start at 32 firefighters and 18 EMS personnel under the contract, Shirey said. That firefighter number is the same as it was before the COVID-19 pandemic, but the agency has agreed to increase it to 44 firefighters during the contract’s term as more people are hired.
The proposal would also create a dedicated special operations team responsible for evacuating riders from Disney’s rides and transportation systems, like the Monorail and Skyliner gondolas, when they break down. The team’s current cross-staffing structure means trained firefighters have to switch from other assignments to the special unit when called, causing potential delays in response, Shirey said.
The contract agreement includes a significant pay bump for first responders and increases the department’s firefighter starting pay by about $10,000, Shirey said. That amount brings the department’s starting wage to the same level as that of neighboring agencies.
“That was a direct result of the struggle that we’ve been having with recruitment,” Shirey said. “We did a very broad comparison of the greater Central Florida area, going all the way up to Tampa on the West Coast and then looking at different departments on the East Coast, and we found that we were significantly lower than a lot of the competitors in our market.”
Shirey declined to discuss details on pay rates, citing the union’s upcoming contract vote. An April 18 job posting by the district advertises a $55,000 annual salary for firefighters and paramedics.
Another benefit included in the proposal is the restoration of health care benefits for retirees, meaning district staff would continue to receive a supplementary health plan from the district upon retirement, Shirey said."
Full article below.
Disney first responders reach tentative contract deal with district
After more than four years of negotiations, the union representing Disney World’s first responders says it has reached a tentative contract agreement with the Central Florida Tourism Oversigh…
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I don’t think anyone who is focused on guest experience has a whole lot to do with this lawsuit. It’s possible that there could be an impact to guests if some bozos
decide to show up at WDW and make trouble, but that’s what security is for. Outside of that I don’t think guests will be impacted. I have heard some people in my hood say they were reluctant to go to FL with all this going on (not really RCID directly, but more the book bannings and hostility towards certain groups all while making guns more prevalent), but in those cases they aren’t skipping WDW for Universal they are saying they are skipping the whole state. I will believe it when I see it, talk is cheap. I am planning a trip to Universal and Sea World this Summer and not WDW so I hope the crowds aren’t huge with everyone avoiding Disney.
flynnibus
Premium Member
WDWHero
Active Member
They are just having their cake and eating it too is all I'm saying. Disney had more courage to actually stand up for bad laws than they did.
TeriofTerror
Well-Known Member
I'm trying to figure out how this was an issue he ran on in 2020, when just last year he was claiming he was completely unfamiliar with the RCID. Am I... missing something?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Why not both. Does Disney not donate to charities?
Brian
Well-Known Member
Perhaps inspired by when Disney promised every U.S. based CM a $1,000 bonus in the midst of the STCU negotiations, and in light of the corporate tax rate cut, then made STCU CMs (the lowest paid U.S.-based CMs) receiving it a condition of accepting the Company's crappy wage offer.
RamblinWreck
Well-Known Member
Did they? Or did they just have more internal pressure from their employees to at least say something.