News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[csmat99]

Im not a lawyer and have no real legal knowledge of this situation. But, to the best I can understand it...this is the basic problem:

RCID is a public municipality that....by law....MUST remain seperate from Disney. RCID, by law is NOT supposed to be "loyal" to Disney. If it IS found that RCID was beholden to Disney, then the people that caused this to happen were breaking the law. If this happens, that it will be argued that RCID was literally a fraud. Yes, even the bonds that RCID issued were fraudulant too. The town you live in is NOT supposed to be under the thumb of the companies that operate in your town. If so....that is a CLEAR conflict of interest of your municipality. Towns/cities/counties answer to the public...the people of your state. They are NOT tools of corporations. This is the law in Florida.

I think that all of the communications between Disney and RCID will be subpoenad under Florida's Sunshine Law and if those records show Disney giving illeagle orders to RCID....this whole thing will come crashing down in a horrible way for Disney.

If RCID is deemed to be fraudulant and all those hundreds of millions in RCID bonds are all fraudulant? I dont know....but this "could" be the nastiest rabbit hole that Disney could have ever fallin in to.

This "could" be something that RCID and Disney staff might facing if there is enough evidence. Actual fraud and crimes that could land people in jail. I do suspect that "wistle blowers" will now come out from everywhere soon???

Lets hope this is NOT the case. Let's hope that Disney PROVES that they did NOT use RCID this way and that they never broke the legal wall between them. Let's hope the state gets all the documents and sees nothing illeagle was done by ANYbody.

Let's all hope for the best!!

Cliffy - you are wrong and correct you are not an attorney but then talk about fraud like you understand what that means in this case.

 

[flynnibus]

Those go into the counties coffers.

Yes, which is the benefit lazyboy is inferring. That the improvement of the land in the district creates a direct benefit to people outside the district as well... in this case.. the tax base the counties get to collect on while also getting the bonus of having someone else pay for their services too.

The thread was responding to a statement that RCID wasn't to directly benefit Florida.. which obviously there are ways it directly benefits Florida (and the counties) -- by doing work for them and still giving them an improved tax base.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Completely astounded the pro-business party is anti-business in this instance. Being able to govern yourself is like the basic principle of conservatism. And they are out here saying it's bad, lmao. Unserious people.

The party is pro-business. This is all on RonnyBaby! ALL OF IT!

 

[lazyboy97o]

The party is pro-business. This is all on RonnyBaby! ALL OF IT!

This was not started by the governor. Legislation is not passed by the governor.

 

[tissandtully]

The party is pro-business. This is all on RonnyBaby! ALL OF IT!

Are they? They don't seem to provide any evidence to that fact. They keep supporting the anti-business agenda. They seem to now be anti-corporations, which is like a 2008 Dem thing. Next they'll be occupying Wall Street. We live in the upside-down.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

This was not started by the governor. Legislation is not passed by the governor.

I think it's pretty clear the legislators go where King Ronny tells them to go.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Are they? They don't seem to provide any evidence to that fact. They keep supporting the anti-business agenda. They seem to now be anti-corporations, which is like a 2008 Dem thing. Next they'll be occupying Wall Street. We live in the upside-down.

I have to agree, we live in the upside-down now.
But it's not one parties fault. A lot of upside-down is happening on both sides.
In my opinion, you can't blame the party on this RCID mess. This is all RonnyBaby.

 

[LAKid53]

This was not started by the governor. Legislation is not passed by the governor.

Actually, it was. He called the special session. This FL Legislature has pretty much done whatever he's asked for. Unlike his two predecessors.

 

[LAKid53]

Yes, which is the benefit lazyboy is inferring. That the improvement of the land in the district creates a direct benefit to people outside the district as well... in this case.. the tax base the counties get to collect on while also getting the bonus of having someone else pay for their services too.

The thread was responding to a statement that RCID wasn't to directly benefit Florida.. which obviously there are ways it directly benefits Florida (and the counties) -- by doing work for them and still giving them an improved tax base.

As a property owner, TWDC would have been taxed by both Orange and Osceola counties, whether RCID exists or not.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think it's pretty clear the legislators go where King Ronny tells them to go.

Actually, it was. He called the special session. This FL Legislature has pretty much done whatever he's asked for. Unlike his two predecessors.

This thread started because of a comment made by a legislator. The governor joined in afterwards. They have agency. They chose to do as he desires and should be held responsible just the same.

 

[LAKid53]

This thread started because of a comment made by a legislator. The governor joined in afterwards. They have agency. They chose to do as he desires and should be held responsible just the same.

I never said the Florida Legislature wasn't complicit. They are. However, the governor, after speaking to Chapek privately about HB 1557 and Chapek's statement that TWDC would work to repeal the now law, came out and said he would consider abolishing RCID if the Legislature sent him a bill.

 

[flynnibus]

As a property owner, TWDC would have been taxed by both Orange and Osceola counties, whether RCID exists or not.

Sure, but with RCID, those counties are spending less on that same property. They get their cake and eat it too!

 

[flynnibus]

In my opinion, you can't blame the party on this RCID mess. This is all RonnyBaby.

How can you not? They are complicit in his campaign and vote party line on every vote on the matter.

 

[peter11435]

As a property owner, TWDC would have been taxed by both Orange and Osceola counties, whether RCID exists or not.

Correct. But if RCID did not exist those counties would be funding all of the services and infrastructure that RCID provides with the same tax revenue they receive from TWDC currently. The taxes collected by RCID would not exist.

 

[LAKid53]

Correct. But if RCID did not exist those counties would be funding all of the services and infrastructure that RCID provides with the same tax revenue they receive from TWDC currently. The taxes collected by RCID would not exist.

Which is why we property owners in Orange County were justifiably concerned regarding the dissolution of RCID.

 

[Schmidt]

I never said the Florida Legislature wasn't complicit. They are. However, the governor, after speaking to Chapek privately about HB 1557 and Chapek's statement that TWDC would work to repeal the now law, came out and said he would consider abolishing RCID if the Legislature sent him a bill.

The revisionism is amazing. Of course this was started by Ron. The legislature has been along for the ride.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Are they? They don't seem to provide any evidence to that fact. They keep supporting the anti-business agenda. They seem to now be anti-corporations, which is like a 2008 Dem thing. Next they'll be occupying Wall Street. We live in the upside-down.

The term I hear is "anti-elitist" and "anti-globalist". Which seems to translate as anyone with a bachelors degree or higher and anyone with a passport or financial interest in a foreign owned company... basically, anyone with a 401K.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The revisionism is amazing. Of course this was started by Ron. The legislature has been along for the ride.

This thread was started in response to a tweet from Spencer Roach.

 

[GoofGoof]

The term I hear is "anti-elitist" and "anti-globalist". Which seems to translate as anyone with a bachelors degree or higher and anyone with a passport or financial interest in a foreign owned company... basically, anyone with a 401K.

Ding ding ding ding ding we have a winner. This is why the shift towards anti-science and the shift away from corporate interests. It’s also part of why there’s been a major shift in how the suburbs are voting. GA didn’t “turn blue” because of urban Atlanta, it’s the suburbs that flipped. Same goes for PA where I live. The suburban counties directly surrounding Philly were swing counties for decades but have slanted heavily towards Dems in the past 5 or so annual elections. It’s also why I believe we need a 3rd party more than ever. If you are educated but don’t buy into the progressive agenda there’s nowhere to go. I see more people than ever voting for a candidate because they want the other guy to lose rather than because they actually support the candidate. I just pick candidates based on who I think will do the best job, but ultimately these people are still held somewhat to party agendas which makes it hard to support them.

 

[Disstevefan1]

How can you not? They are complicit in his campaign and vote party line on every vote on the matter.

This is my opinion you are entitled to your opinion. I refuse to blame a group of people for the actions of one. Just my opinion.